theking

I do not need to google...to be aware of what you are saying...as I am already aware of everything you have stated...but the spin either you put on these events or the spin that what ever articles you may have read have put on these events...is pigshit.

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"in god we trust" says it all, not? most US citz BELIEVE in what they are told from "above" (be it god - how sick is that in the first place - or gov) .... BELIEVE is the trust in NOT KNOWING

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iMind

Hey , hows pathfinder ?

I find it funny of the four people that are most vocal against the 9/11 questions,
1 has faked his death on a board called go fuck yourself.
one is obviously nuts
another is obviously trying real hard to get under Amps skin and failing MISERABLY and the last can't tell the difference between "you're and your" and we're supposed to guess that he's intelligent hahha

Wake up people, nobody is saying GWB or the GOV did it, all that's being said is to ASK QUESTIONS, LOOK AT THE EVENTS , don't just blindly believe what you are told by the higher ups.... they do NOT care about you.

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iMind

ya know, very often I wish I could just be another retard.
One that doesn't question things, and could just go through life happy, stupid and blind.

You can see how people fight so vigorously to defend truths they do not now, simply because they don't know how to deal with the fact that most of what they know, simply is not true.

Mock NyaMout

someone would of seen them and it would of been overdoing it.


PLUS there is no need cause things were going as planned

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And here's what some of the people who WROTE it have to say about it:


The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA ?obstructed our investigation?.

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn?t bother to tell the American people

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says ?I don?t believe for a minute we got everything right?, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only ?the first draft? of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that ?There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn?t have access . . . .?

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said ?We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting?

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: ?It is a national scandal?; ?This investigation is now compromised?; and ?One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up?.

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that ?We purposely put together a staff that had - in a way - conflicts of interest?.

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff?s inquiry, said ?I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described ?. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years?. This is not spin. This is not true.?


So the people who WROTE the official report don't believe it, but you fucktards do..

Good job.

will76

LOL fucking wackos, nutjobs, social outcasts and losers.... nice club you guys have going here! Waiting for a few more of you freaks to show you and it will be a full blown nutso party.

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TheDoc

I added no spin or twist, most of what I said is available on wiki and backed with sources.

The point of my post was to show that our Country has and would attack itself, to show that it has lied to Americans in the past, they will attack us, they will create false reports by any means, we have and do build/finance "terrorists" and so on.

The continual lies, false attacks, fears blasted onto the people for the last 30 years (if not longer) has been 90% complete bullshit. Americans are lost in a pool of fears, corruption and bullshit of lies so deep nobody climb out.

To think we didn't or couldn't help/influence/finance or something to do with 9/11 is completely irrational when our Country has done it without a second thought so many times before.

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are you saying it wasnt a commercial flight
or is this a reliable source about buildings



maybe king kong hurled the planes

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That's brilliant logic to use... Your Country has killed it's own citizen in declassified documents and planned it many other times and without question has financed terrorist cells/rouge countries and dictators and put them in power, all over the world - some of which have attacked us with our own weapons and some of which we attacked, after we built them up.

If you don't question it... you're an extreme sheep and a great example of what's truly wrong with our Country. Even if we didn't do it - to think we wouldn't, is ignoring history.

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Rochard

You claim the damage to the Pentagon was "so little". You need to keep in mind exactly how big the Pentagon is. It took broke through the outer ring, which is what - two hundred or three hundred feet deep?

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you've made it very clear you're a 'believer' bro... keep believing, not questioning.... sleeping. whatever helps you sleep at night

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Saudis, U.S. near $60 billion arms deal - Sep 2010
Record sale of jets, helicopters is seen as way to counter Iran


F-15 fighter jets are widely deployed across the U.S. military, and Saudi Arabia might soon be buying 84 from the U.S.

WASHINGTON ? The Obama administration will soon notify Congress of an arms package for Saudi Arabia worth up to $60 billion, U.S. officials said Monday, a potentially record-breaking deal that may help counter Iran's growing regional muscle.

The deal would apparently represent the largest single U.S. arms sale ever approved. It would allow Saudi Arabia, the most militarily advanced of the Arab Gulf states and one of the richest countries in the world, to buy top-line U.S.-made helicopters and fighter jets with ranges that would span the Middle East and beyond.

LINK


Still think all of this stuff is just random disconnected events? That the numero uno Super Power on this planet is run by a reactionary government?

wake-up day is going to be harsh.

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there will be no 'wake-up day' cuz they need for the public to sleep in order for these things to be made possible. awareness is exactly what they want to avoid... why do you think wikileaks is slowly becoming one of their biggest threats? sources of truth must be eradicated but directly doing so only stirs the masses and threatens the sleep they worked so hard to bring about. the smear campaign on their 'leader' has already begun.

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Blingbaby

My only question, speaking of sheep, why do you seem to take such a stance against even a theoretical possibility that you have been duped here? Certainly would not be the first time in history that governments *ahem* PEOPLE that work in governments have orchestrated devious schemes for self profit at the expense of the people they claim to represent..

Seriously this thread presents some information that you just dismiss almost robotically.. we all love our country but common man you're seriously missing the point of *We the people..

Blingbaby

When all else fails, insult your opponent. That always shows your superior intellect..

RRACY

Not obvious to the average person because they haven't looked into it, although they may still believe there was some type of coverup. 911, is very obviously a government created conspiracy theory to anyone with an open mind who simply looks at the news footage, particularly, what aired live.

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Dirty F

Do you have some kind of evidence for this?

PR_Glen

they never do..

i have an observation though... the harder they push the conspiracy nonsense on others the less employed they are. The more time they spend convincing people of the 'truth' the more broke they seem.

is this a coincidence or are they rebelling against it all so hard that they refuse to make money and be 'a part of the problem'? We may never know..

DOWN WITH MAKING MONEY!

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sperbonzo

Here is an interesting question to consider. If I'm GWB and I have set up the fake 911 attack, with all of the HUGE risk of it being uncovered and exposed, due to the very large numbers of people that would have to be involved and the very public nature of the operation....


.... The WHY wouldn't I send in a small seal team into the middle of the Iraqi desert in the middle of the night just prior to the invasion, and hide a bunch of WMDs to be found by regular forces a week later? MUCH more simple to do, MUCH less risk of something going wrong or being exposed. And it would completely vindicate the invasion and put the entire US population on my side...


.... Can anyone answer this for me please? Doesn't make sense to me.





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Rochard

Someone with a fake nick was bored today!

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Rochard

I don't understand the question. Are you saying that Bush put a Special Forces team into Iraq shortly before the invasion, or that he should of? We did have boots on the ground in Iraq before the invasion - that's exactly what Special Forces do. They go in and quietly do reconnaissance so we know what to hit.

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wehateporn

Fury as academics claim 9/11 was 'inside job'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nside-job.html

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archite...for_9/11_Truth

Perhaps they all get sacked, or more likely your conclusion was based on a sample size too small to be statistically significant

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With hindsight they'd change a lot. 9/11 works well on TV, it catches people's attention, a psychological attack on the citizens of the US. American's were starting to feel too safe and comfortable.

Then of course there is the possibility that 9/11 is the false flag that's meant to be found out, to eventually bring down the USA from within when the time is right. It's well known that the US is one of the biggest obstacles to the UN. This last theory is just speculation for now.

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I knew this would turn into a crazy conspiracy thread

Phoenix

it is too late

get with the plan or keep it to yourself...soon people will be reporting others for not believing official stories

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Dirty F

Let me try it again. Maybe you didn't understand the question the first time.

Do you have any kind of evidence to back this up? Like...any...any evidence whatsoever?

sperbonzo

Please re read it carefully. My point is that if Bush was going to go through all the trouble of faking 911, then why not fake Saddam having WMDs ALSO? It would have been much easier to pull off...


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RRACY

Mark, cryptically laughs at the end of his description, supporting that he was describing some type of drone, and falling short of confirming that it really wasn't a plane. Of course it didn't belong in the area because it was a drone and not the boeing 767 it was supposed to be. There's more evidence than you can possible imagine that humanity has been duped on 911 and many other historical events.

Eyewitness on 9/11 Mark Burnback was able to get a good view of the plane that hit the World Trade Center, because he said that the plane was flying very low. He explained to FOX News that the plane had no windows, a blue logo, and did not look like a commercial plane.

Fox NewsCaster: "Mark Burnback, a Fox employee, is on the phone with us. Mark witnessed this... Mark were you close enough to see any markings on the airplane?"

Mark Burnback: "Hi gentlemen. Yeah there was definitely a blue, circular logo on the front of the plane towards the front. It definitely did not look like a commercial plane. I did not see any windows on the side. It was definitely very low...

"Mark, if what you say is true, those could be cargo planes or something like that. You said you did not see any windows on the side?"

Mark Burnback: "I did not see any windows on the side. I saw the plane was flying low. I was probably a block away from the sub-way in Brooklyn and that plane came down very low, and again it was not a normal flight that I have ever seen at an airport. It was a plane with a blue logo on the front and it just looked like it did not belong in this area."

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lYUs9u1YwV0

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This is pretty much irreverent. For every architect or engineer who claims 9/11 was an inside job - and has the proof to back it up - there is an architect or engineer who believes otherwise, and also has the proof to back up their position.

I have a degree in electrical engineering, and while last month I re-wired my truck's electrical system from the ground up without any wiring diagrams, that surely doesn't make me any more qualified to speak about 9/11.

There are people from both sides who are very well qualified who believe their point of view, and believe only their evidence.

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wehateporn

It does seem clear that the planes which struck the towers weren't the ones we were told, most likely they were completely unmanned

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Dick Oliver called it a remote controlled drone. Dick was totally oblivious that his honest account completely destroyed the myth of a real plane impacting T2.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DB-rw...e =plpp_video

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I take your point, though I was just pointing out (to PR Glen) that some 'Conspiracy Theorists' do have half-decent jobs to counter his theory

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Here is one attempt to answer that

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This is a great copy of the north tower drone. You can see it has no wings before it makes impact. The clowns who shot this were less than a mile north of the towers. If flight 11 had really crashed in NY it would have looked much like this plane landing.





https://youtube.com/watch?v=MP5eF...ure=plpp_video

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So your saying the fact that we didn't find WMDs in Iraq - which the Bush administration could have easily pulled off - is proof that Bush didn't stage a false flag attack on 9/11?

Interesting concept.

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Indeed, I do expect that both Russo's and Norman Dodd's videos will eventually be banned from the net. They'll be labelled as 'Terrorist Training' material

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Yes because it makes much more sense that somebody faking commercial jets crashing in to buildings would first intercept and completely do away with the actual jets, never to be found or exposed even by internet detectives like yourself, then crash some other jets in to buildings claiming they were the original commercial jets.

If it were in fact done on purpose by some nefarious secret group, it would be much simpler to just crash the actual jets in to the building and not insert additional steps not required further complicating the entire process.

The problem with you idiots is you're too stupid to use any common sense at all. Despite your alleged "reputation for being proven right".

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Let me see if I understand this correctly... Your saying that from a mile away we should see wings on an airplane, just like when it's fifty feet away in the third picture? That's funny.

Why is it that we can't see wings on the drone? I mean, a drone has wings too, right?

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The jets wouldn't need to be intercepted, the pilots would know exactly where they were flying them. You could either sink them but more likely just rename them.

Specially equipped planes would be more suited to 9/11, rather than standard passenger jets

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With the clear and overwhelming evidence of drones, it was inevitable that a few eyewitnesses would corroborate the video footage of drones for both towers. Stewart, said he saw something bump into tower 1 before it exploded. That certainly wasn't a plane, because a plane would crash into it, not bump.

He says, "I'm not sure, if it was a ????? (plane). [i]Of course it wasn't a plane, Stewy, and you gave the truth some of the best early testimony that no planes of any kind were seen for either tower. His subconscious gave every word, but 'plane', leaving no doubt that his conscious state prevented that last word. But, we already know those goofy french kids did not film a plane or really any identifiable object which corrorborates Stewart's verified account.

Bryant Gumbel: It's 8:52 here in New York, I'm Bryant Gumbel. We understand that there has been a plane crash on the southern tip of Manhattan. You're looking at the WTC. We understand that a plane has crashed into the WTC. We don't know anything more than that. We don't know if it was a commercial aircraft. We don't know if it was a private aircraft. We have no idea how many were on board, or what the extent of the injuries are right now. We are, uh, we have, I understand, an eyewitness on the phone right now. Sir...

[cuts to commercial briefly]

BG: ...your name?

Stewart: Yeah, my name is Stewart.

BG: Sir, where are you right now?

S: I'm working at a restaurant in Soho. (northeast of the towers)

BG: Alright, so tell us what you saw if you would?

S: I literally, I was waiting a table and I literally saw a -- it seemed to be like the small plane. I just heard a couple of noises. It looked like it bounced off the building and then I heard, uh, I saw a huge like ball of fire on top and then the smoke seemed to simmer down and it just stunned -- you know a lot of smoke was coming out and that's pretty much the extent of what I saw.

BG: A private aircraft?

S: I'm not sure, if it was a -- it just seemed like a smaller plane. I don't think it was anything commercial.

BG: Did you, could you tell us whether or not it was a prop, or a jet .

S: I honestly don't know. It happened too quickly



https://youtube.com/watch?v=3SXIxbhgUDw

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../11/bn.01.html
Now we want to bring in Todd Harris (ph). Todd on the scene, saw what happened.

Todd, corroborates the Naudet footage, which captured a slow moving blob.

Todd are you with us?

TODD HARRIS: Yes, I had a perfect view, and the plane was coming in. I noticed it a second before it hit the building. It looked like it was moving slowly, and it lined itself up to hit the building directly.

KAGAN: Are you talking about the first plane or the second plane?

HARRIS: The first plane.

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You're a lunatic plain and simple. There's no denying that. Your obvious lack of real world experience cements that fact. I'm not going to argue with a lunatic. Feel free to believe whatever you want and I'll remain comfortable knowing that people like you will never have any influence on anything anywhere.

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Of course the wings would be visible. Watch the plane flying over the water. Its wings are discernable from a greater distance than the north tower footage.

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baddog is famous in these circles....i just did a search for that fox employee..which brought me to some alien ufo conspiracy forum....the top poster in a thread was using baddog as his avatar..lol

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RRACY

No speculation needed. Live footage shows a lot of great stuff.

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The BBC, a day after, reported that 6-8 accused hijackers were alive. They saw their faces on TV, and said...I'm alive.

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Sure, there's a lot of highly trained people that believe in their version of what happened. But you can take twenty engineers or scientists, show them the evidence, and ask what happened, and your not going to get the same answers. Multiple the numbers by hundreds of thousands of engineers and scientists, and you'll get lots of different people saying different things.

I look at it this way... If ten people witness a car accident from ten different angles, when police interview them all and write up their reports, they are going get ten different views on what really happened. This is because everyone saw the same thing, but saw it differently. What happened on 9/11 was filmed from hundreds of different angles that day, and yet still years later we debate what happened and who was behind it.

We can argue this until we are blue in the face, but the one thing the 9/11 Truth Movement can't tell me is why. Why would our government do this? There's no oil in Afghanistan. Some have mentioned a pipeline, but that doesn't make sense to me - more than ten years later it hasn't been built, and why would you want to build a pipeline to a land locked country? I've also read that we wanted an excuse to invade Afghanistan to set up us to attack Iran - Well, we had Iran surrounded, and ten years later we still haven't attacked Iran, and in fact we are pulling our troops out of the area, so that doesn't add up.

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CNN.com - Transcripts

This man had a north view of the towers and saw the drone coming from the west. This is the south tower drone.

OK, we actually have an "Eyewitness News" reporter, Dr. J. Atlasberg (ph) who was downtown at the time and he is on the phone with us live.

Dr. J., what can you tell us?

DR. J. ATLASBERG (ph), REPORTER: Hello, Steve.

I'm actually uptown at 86th and Riverside. I can see the World Trade Center from about half the building up to the top. And about five minutes ago, as I was watching the smoke, a small plane -- I did -- it looked like a propeller plane, came in from the west. And about 20 or 25 stories below the top of the center, disappeared for a second, and then explode behind a water tower, so I couldn't tell whether it hit the building or not. But it was very visible, that a plane had come in at a low altitude and appeared to crash into the World Trade Center.

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