RRACY

You are a total fucking freak and you know. It scares you to know that someone had the guts and wherewithal to point out the obvious.

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The plane was not flown by poorly trained Arabs on a mission from Osama bin Laden because they ?hate our freedoms?. Quotes from Flight Instructors:

Mohammed Atta: ?His attention span was zero.?
Khalid Al-Mihdhar: ?We didn?t kick him out, but he didn?t live up to our standards.?
Marwan Al-Shehhi: ?He was dropped because of his limited English and incompetence at the controls.?
Salem Al-Hazmi: ?We advised him to quit after two lessons.?
Hani Hanjour: ?His English was horrible, and his mechanical skills were even worse. It was like he had hardly even ever driven a car. I?m still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon. He could not fly at all.?

http://911anomalies.wordpress.com/

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US wars are of same nature as UK colonizations - no good for people (actualy people are only the means here) and much "good" for companies.

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Very true

The USA is not a country, it's a corporation, owned by the House of Rothschild and the British Crown. It's effectively Britain's War Machine. This is the reality of the 'Special Relationship'


Presidents are selected for a reason, they are put in charge of the corporation because of their Royal bloodline

From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealo...n ited_States

Presidents related to British royalty

George Washington (descendant of Edward III of England)
Thomas Jefferson (descendant of Edward III of England)
James Madison (descendant of Edward I of England)
James Monroe (descendant of Edward III of England)
John Quincy Adams (descendant of Edward III of England)
William Henry Harrison and his grandson, Benjamin Harrison (descendants of Edward I of England)
Zachary Taylor (descendant of Edward I of England)
Franklin Pierce (descendant of Henry I of England)
Rutherford Hayes (descendant of William I of Scotland and William the Conqueror)
Grover Cleveland (descendant of Edward I of England)
Theodore Roosevelt (descendant of James I of Scotland and Edward III of England)
William Taft (descendant of Edward III of England)
Warren Harding (descendant of Henry II of England)
Calvin Coolidge (descendant of Edward I of England)
Herbert Hoover (descendant of Edward III of England)
Franklin Roosevelt (descendant of James II of Scotland)
Harry S. Truman (descendant of Robert III of Scotland)
Richard Nixon (descendant of Henry II of England)
Gerald Ford (descendant of Edward I of England)
Jimmy Carter (descendant of Edward III of England)
George H. W. Bush and his son, George W. Bush (descendants of Edward I of England and Robert II of Scotland
Barack Obama (descendant of Edward I of England and William the Lion of Scotland)

According to a chart published by twelve-year-old student BridgeAnne d'Avignon, all U.S. presidents except Martin Van Buren can trace descent from King John of England.

As a result, all presidents except Van Buren are direct descendants of Alfred the Great and William the Conqueror.

HM Queen Elizabeth II is among the closest living relatives of George Washington, through their descent from Augustine Warner, Jr., Speaker of the Virginia House of Burgesses. His daughter Mildred was the grandmother of Washington, while his daughter Mary is an ancestor of the Queen's mother, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.

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And the UK wanted us to invade Afghanistan why?

Well, clearly the "published chart" of the twelve year old proves your point completely.

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RRACY

Whomever he turned his footage over to, added a black blob. Clifton, did not hear nor see a plane. It would have been coming from his left. Clifton, debunks all that fake nonsense shown on TV. Advance to 2:00 for his account. He says it over and over and over and over. He didn't see a plane because there was no plane for the south tower.

"I just caught the second explosion on videotape...No, a bomb, I saw it, no plane hit nothin', the building exploded from the other tower floors down."

https://youtube.com/watch?v=A2unT...ure=plpp_video
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mTkzxaHAcNc

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Gee, that's odd because everyone else in the fucking world saw a plane.

YOU keep posting pictures of planes hitting the towers, so you just proved this guy wrong.

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It's not odd at all. He couldn't see something that wasn't there and his real-time account could not be molested or altered. He saw something, but not a plane.

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Vjo

That is amazing if true and have also heard this. direct is only what...



William I (1028 – 9 September 1087), also known as William the Conqueror was the first Norman King of England.



Alfred the Great (849 – 26 October 899) was King of Wessex from 871 to 899.

So about 1000-1200 years is not a lot of gens, maybe 20 gens. So you would have to do the math to fig the probability of someone being born under either of these two but it must be a small % chance. Single digits.

England pretty much owned the world's Gold and Silver up to WW1 and the Royal Family's vast riches "probably" still affect the US greatly.

sperbonzo

Dude, you get my vote for the best post in the thread!!


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Vjo

I admire your attempt to uncover the truth but yeah.. YT has the vids of the planes coming over and in.. The classic one where they come into the first tower over the fireman (been a while) but that was def a plane going in...



"This 9/11 video clip is one of only two known videos of the first plane impact on 9/11. Taken from north of the World Trade Center Complex. It was a rather bizarre coincidence, but never the less, far fewer witnessed the first plane impact the North Tower (WTC1)."

Maybe I am missing something as you seem to be pretty on top of things

I believe the planes hit. The way the towers fell so fast.. that is where I am not convinced BUT we have been over this before and once was enough

Time will maybe tell altho you dont hear much about this anymore. HIS did a study or show and they seemed to take a middle road I think. Forget how that went.

You need a panel of Engineers and Construction and Demolition experts to really hash this out and when will that happen?

Dirty F

So why don't you tell us how the towers were supposed to fall according to you.

Vjo

^^ Boy that (vid) is really something.

"holy shit"

I always thought it was a bigger pic of the plane but guess not. Will look for the "other version". That footage must be worth a fortune at this point.

Vjo

Same way building 7. Controlled demolition. Perhaps radio controlled. No wires.

It could not have fallen from pancaking or from the "main rivets" (layman's terms) melting from a jet fuel fire imo.

Dirty F

So why don't you tell us how that building was supposed to go down according to you.

Dirty F

Also just wOndering do you know what gravity is and how it works. Here's a hint. It pulls things down.

Vjo

i need to post something to counter the neg energy of that plane going in and the lives lost in an instant..



the motive: money of course

adendreams

Cracks me up when Truther nut balls use video and photo evidence to try to back up their loony theories, when that very same material shows very obvious proof of the official explanation.

Like the moon hoax dumbfucks with the flag "waving' in the wind - Myth Busters blew those idiots away with the same flag, same conditions, in a vacuum chamber.

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Vjo

Not enough to perfectly pancake a metal frame imo.

Dirty F

3rd time. How was it supposed to go down then? Up?

Vjo

I could build a frame out of popsicle sticks that would not pancake. Engs have stated it could easily hold many times it's own weight and pancaking is silly.

Vjo

Frank, I told ya. It had to have been delayed timer detonation on critical joints. Simple as that. Then it can be brought down as #7 (also) was in a perfect pancake.

Dirty F

4th time. How was it supposed to go down according to you? What's the problem exactly. Why don't you just answer me?

Dirty F

How is a building that size and weight supposed to go down. Come on dude. Just tell me.

MediaGuy

I don't know if anyone can tell, but there's a difference between thinking there's UFO's, blobs, no planes etc....

• and just asking what could have made three buildings drop symmetrically, explosively, against the laws of physics, from fire for the first time in history all on the same day,
• and why the most responsive military apparatus this side of Israel could have missed out four times in one day,
• and why so much testimony was dismissed from the 9/11 commission report,
• and why the evidence was destroyed,
• and why the story of United 93 was fabricated,
• and on and on...

You don't have to be a kook to ask simple questions.

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adendreams

Vjo you're a pretty cool dude but you have fallen for some pretty silly pop culture hysteria.

IF you cant understand the logical and obvious fact that an explosion and fire of this magnitude should and did cause one floor to drop onto the floor beneath it.

IF you can't understand the logical and obvious fact that this floor dropping onto the floor beneath would and did cause a perfectly symmetrical and downward chain reaction drawing all floors toward the earth evenly.

THEN you need meds.

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Dirty F

And still no answer. What a surprise. Another conspiracy nutter success story.

Rochard

But this doesn't surprise me at all.

I know that the Empire State building was hit in the 1940s and is obviously still standing. But your talking about a much smaller plane and a completely different building. The WTC was supported by the outer walls and the inner core. Compromise both and toss in tens of thousands of gallons of jet grade fuel and it's only a matter of time.

Does it look like a controlled demolition? It sure does. But that's because when they blow a building, they do it one floor at a time so they collapse on each other. With the WTC, the buildings fell in a similar way - because each floor gave way one at a time. The floors just couldn't support the weight above it.

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Rochard

I love discussing and debating crap like this. But I don't take it too seriously.

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Dirty F

ask him how the towers were supposed to fall according to him.

Rochard

It kills me. "It wasn't a plane" while showing us a video of what obviously is a plane".

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Yes you are a kook if you ask kooky questions assuming false info made up by other kooks and present them as serious questions.

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Rochard

They didn't fall over, they fell down.

The concrete floor - which weighed tons - was supported by the core and the outer walls. When the support of the outer walls was gone, there was nothing holding these floors up. One floor fell, falling onto the floor below it, causing a pancake effect.

On top of this, while the the core and the outer walls held the concrete floors in place, the concrete floors helped to hold the other walls in place. When the floors collapsed, they took down the other walls with them.

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Vjo

I'll just answer here to all three I am not a structural Engineer but the pancaking without demolition and based on the upper floors going due to impact or jet fuel fire and then "momentum" pancaking all the way down.. I just dont buy it.

Time will (maybe) tell who is right without writing a book here

BFT3K

This is the truth.

Dirty F

So why don't you tell us how they were supposed to go down instead? Sideways? Up? Just tell me man.

Dirty F

Truthers might be the dumbest people on this fucking planet. They totally live in some kind of fucked up fantasy world. It's just sad.

Vjo

It is possible as there were a few floors of momentum. I just cant speak further as i dont know how they were built. I believe I heard some orig Eng say the towers were built to handle plane crashes and losing a certain amount of structural integrity.

But any frame should be able to support the upper floors and inner weight if say a middle floor is "pulled out" and it free falls 30 feet.

That is simple erector set 101 stuff. Now maybe that buliding couldnt handle it which would be hard to believe it would be built so (in essence) poorly and weakly.

Steel M Beam or whatever frames are strong shit my friends with huge vertical load capacities.

Dirty F

God, your dumb and ignorant. It's just amazing how people can get this fucking stupid. Really amazing.

adendreams

No Bro...time won't change historical and scientific fact.

"momentum"? ok if that is what you want to call the simple engineering fact that a floor can not sustain the weight of another floor.

Ask yourself this question: Why would these buildings fall sideways? What could possibly cause anything but a symmetrical downward collapse?

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Dirty F

He can't answer that. He rather looks like a fucking retard because it HAS to be a conspiracy. Logic doesn't matter anymore. These people are insane.

Rochard

It wasn't "just fire". A massive plane with tons of jet fuel took out most of the support. The fire just weakened it.

Our military - the Air Force really - wasn't even told about this until AFTER it was all over.

In September 2001, NORAD generals said they learned of the hijackings in time to scramble fighter jets. Later, the U.S. government released tapes claiming to show the Federal Aviation Agency (FAA) did not tell the military about the hijackings until three of the four planes had crashed, a fact that would indicate that the FAA repeatedly lied to other U.S. government agencies.

Phil Molé of Skeptic magazine has explained that it is neither quick nor easy to locate and intercept a plane behaving erratically, and that the hijackers turned off or disabled the onboard radar transponders. Without these transponder signals to identify the airplanes, the hijacked airplanes would have been only blips among 4,500 other blips on NORAD?S radar screens, making them very difficult to track.

According to Popular Mechanics, only 14 fighter jets were on alert in the contiguous 48 states on 9/11. There was no automated method for the civilian air traffic controllers to alert NORAD. A passenger airline had not been hijacked in the U.S. since 1979.[82] "They had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. According to Popular Mechanics, only one civilian plane was intercepted in the decade prior to 9/11, which took one hour and 22 minutes.

(source: wikipedia)

I read the 9/11 Commision Report; I still have it. The 9/11 Commision interviewed 1200 people in ten countries and reviewed millions of documents. Sorry Charlie, but you can't fit that all into a little book.

What are they supposed to do, store all of the evidence until the end of time? How much evidence do you think they had? Millions and millions of tons?

That's pretty silly to expect anyone to try to keep all of that.

What was fabricated?

Out of all of the flights to say that something was fabricated, you pick the one flight that we had the most communication with after it was hijacked and before it crashed. We have multiple calls from that plane telling us they were hijacked. Was that fabricated?

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Rochard

So your saying that every floor should be able to carry all of the weight above it? That's physically impossible.

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Dirty F

The truthers tend to forget that small detail.

MediaGuy

Kooky questions?

Where was the military that day? Not once, but four times?

How did these guys supposedly make it through security without their names getting on passenger manifests?

Have you read the FEMA report, made before the NIST report, about the presence of unexplained metal deterioration in the few samples that weren't shipped away, against all investigative protocol?

Why was any testimony that described explosions, known inbound flights, and much more contadictory testimony not included in the 9/11 commission report?

Why was alll the evidence - metal and debris - shipped away ASAP for the first time ever in any airline disaster or criminal investigation?

These aren't kooky... they're logical.

I'm not saying who did it. I don't know.

Why did the government and the press within minutes say it was Ben Laden?

Why did Ben Laden deny it?

Why did the FBI say there was no proof Ben Laden did it?

Answer those, if you can, and maybe the 9/11 commission might make sense; but then you'd have to wonder why the 9/11 commission didn't do that on their own...

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Rochard

Seriously? The fucking debris field was massive. It took up five large city blocks by five large city blocks - if not more.

It was so huge that they had to map it out with from the air and give everyone GPS units so they knew where they were.

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Vjo

Well I just answered that and no I dont see it but it is poss I guess. It was pretty susceptable to earthquake then and really pretty flimsy.

Sorry I dont buy it and you must think M beams fold like wet noodles on a little impact. Or the rivets sheer off is more correct I suppose.

And you are a pretty cool dude too.

Frank, I used to play Truther Dare. I am a Truther huh? I never knew that.

Gotta lable people I suppose and I guess I am a Truther. I like it. Nice ring.

Vjo

I have a BS in Industrial Engineering from the U of MN as well as two years Municipal or Civil Eng from a Vo-Tech so I have some understanding.

You're the ignorant asshole here.

I think you are kind of a meathead with a big ego who likes to be the loud mouthed bully around here to be honest.

Any formal education Frank??? You seem to like to ask Qs all day like some obcessed asshole.

Vjo

Cat got your tongue Frankie boy?

Im waiting for your expertise to call me what you did pal.

WarChild

So you must know what Newton's first law of motion is. What does that tell us about the direction a building MUST fall in when the only significant external force acting upon it is gravity?

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