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The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

hahahaha trash heap is imploding

God, you're stupid.

MediaGuy · 09-13-2010, 07:44 AM

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People like Amp and Mediaguy don't care about these kind of pictures. Pictures that show plane parts. They ignore it. They care about made up stories from retard conspiracy sites that show no evidence whatsoever.

He read somewhere no fuel was found so that means there was no plane. The fact that you show plane parts is less strong evidence for him. That's how they lunatics work.

You're putting a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say here.

Those pics could mean something, in a real and independent investigation. Two of them are unsourced though.

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People like him should be forced to get mental help. It scares me that people like him are free to go and do and say whatever they want. They shouldn't have that freedom. It's bad for them and could possibly be very bad for other (sane) people.

This says a lot about your faith in the republic.

:D

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 07:49 AM

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You're putting a lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say here.

Yes, you are saying that you fucking imbecile. Over and over and over again.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 07:50 AM

76 posts and The Trash Heap is already having a mental breakdown.

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 07:52 AM

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76 posts and The Trash Heap is already having a mental breakdown.

God, you're an imbecile.

Btw, why don't you tell use what hit the WTC towers exactly. Come on man, i want to have a good laugh.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 07:52 AM

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God, you're an imbecile.

Btw, why don't you tell use what hit the WTC towers exactly. Come on man, i want to have a good laugh.

dance puppet, dance.

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 07:57 AM

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dance puppet, dance.

Delusional idiot.

Drink some more moron. Or go fuck some pigs. I know you like to do that.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Trash Heap

Delusional idiot.

Drink some more moron. Or go fuck some pigs. I know you like to do that.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 08:03 AM

MediaGuy · 09-13-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Trash Heap

Yes, you are saying that you fucking imbecile. Over and over and over again.

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Originally Posted by The Trash Heap

God, you're an imbecile.

Btw, why don't you tell use what hit the WTC towers exactly. Come on man, i want to have a good laugh.

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Originally Posted by The Trash Heap

Delusional idiot.

Drink some more moron. Or go fuck some pigs. I know you like to do that.

Incredibly informed dialogue.

:D

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MediaGuy

Incredibly informed dialogue.

:D

That's the only way to talk to imbeciles like you and amp.

MediaGuy · 09-13-2010, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Trash Heap

That's the only way to talk to imbeciles like you and amp.

When you can get over the name-calling baby caca-poo-poo talk, you should contribute.

:D

will76 · 09-13-2010, 08:12 AM

Again, always nice to see an occasional post like this to see who the nutjobs are. Sometimes it takes threads like this to get the crazies to come to the surface.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

Again, always nice to see an occasional post like this to see who the nutjobs are. Sometimes it takes threads like this to get the crazies to come to the surface.

nah, we knew you were nuts a long time ago.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 08:34 AM

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I bet i can make him snap like he used to in minutes.

you didn't make it through this thread without losing your mind. i've strung you out for 3 pages and it's driving you crazy.

puppet.

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 08:38 AM

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you didn't make it through this thread without losing your mind. i've strung you out for 3 pages and it's driving you crazy.

puppet.

Delusional much?

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 08:39 AM

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Delusional much?

Tom_PM · 09-13-2010, 08:43 AM

20 hijackers were meant to crash commercial airliners on 9/11/2001 and 19 of them did. End of story.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 09:03 AM

Number 2: We want information... information... information.
Number 6: You won't get it.
Number 2: By hook or by crook, we will.
Number 6: Who are you?
Number 2: The new Number 2.
Number 6: Who is Number 1?
Number 2: You are Number 6.
Number 6: I am not a number, I am a free man.

Rochard · 09-13-2010, 09:08 AM

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They didn't fall the way buildings fall at all - they fell the way buildings fall with destruction charges, but otherwise no buildings have ever fallen this way before.

When buildings loose their support in the center, the upper floors fall down - not in any other direction. When the upper floors fell down, it crumbled the floors below it. This is common knowledge.

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They were hit at the top quarter and third part of their structures - which means they had up to 75% of the building to support the upper floors. You can't say there was nothing to support the upper floors.

The buildings were designed to have 100% of the support infrastructure in place. Not 75%. If you physically destroy 25% of the structure, you've damaged the remaining 75% - and it will not hold the rest of the building for long.

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They were built to withstand a jumbo jet crash. They were "sliced" two thirds and three quarters of the way up. The only part of the plane that could have damaged the building's structure was the engine. The rest is light weight and aluminum.

That's not really true is it?

"Leslie Robertson, one of the chief engineers working on the design of the World Trade Center, has since claimed to have personally considered the scenario of the impact of a jet airliner?a Boeing 707 -- which might be lost in the fog and flying at relatively low speeds, seeking to land at JFK Airport or Newark Airport."

One of the designers "considered it", but no where does any paperwork say the building was designed to withstand the impact of a plane. Even the brief consideration mentioned above mentions a 707 flying at a low speed, not a much larger plane flying at much higher speed.

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It would take about six hours to melt it if you were around 1500 degrees. Not "some time" and certainly not less than an hour.

Who said anything about melting steel? If you heat up steel beams that are already damaged, they aren't at 100% strength. Take away a percentage of the infrastructure, heat up the remaining damaged beams, and clearly it's only a matter of time before the building comes down.

Rochard · 09-13-2010, 09:17 AM

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Let's shift to the Pentagon then.... you expect me to believe a commercial jumbo jetliner full of passengers, "vaporized" into a 20' foot wide hole in a wall without a trace?

really?

do you know how hot Titanium has to get to vanish completely? Where are the engines? Why isn't the hole in the wall massive? Planes still have wings right? Where is the damage from the wings? And again I ask.... how can there not be a single piece of that plane left? Why did the government run around like headless chickens confiscating all the surrounding area video? And why are we not allowed to see said video?

We already had this discussing about planes that vaporize, and we showed you a video of a plane hitting a wall and there being nothing left.

Also had a discussion about how there was "not a single bolt" found at the crash site of Flight 93 in PA, yet in a single search I pulled up dozens of photos.

Okay, so now you say "there was not a single piece of the plane left"....

Here's a fucking engine from the Pentagon site:

Twice you told me there was "nothing left of a the plane" (once you even said "not a bolt") and yet simple single searches quickly produce pictures of plane parts at both sites.

If your gonna argue this, use your head instead of making shit up.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

We already had this discussing about planes that vaporize, and we showed you a video of a plane hitting a wall and there being nothing left.

Also had a discussion about how there was "not a single bolt" found at the crash site of Flight 93 in PA, yet in a single search I pulled up dozens of photos.

Okay, so now you say "there was not a single piece of the plane left"....

Here's a fucking engine from the Pentagon site:

Twice you told me there was "nothing left of a the plane" (once you even said "not a bolt") and yet simple single searches quickly produce pictures of plane parts at both sites.

If your gonna argue this, use your head instead of making shit up.

i have no idea where you got any of those pics from. i can google "Plane crash" too and come up with all kinds of pics of scrap metal.

what about the "terrorist" passport lying in the street untouched after two planes, two towering skyscrapers, all the material in the buildings & the planes as well as all the people were reduced to ash?

you don't find that a bit convenient?

it's not one thing, one element, one discrepancy that is in question... it is many.

Norad running every fighter offshore that day.... complete breakdown of the FAA.... non-reaction by Bush.... melted steel.... missing planes.... surviving passports.... no investigation.... buildings falling for no reason.... crime scenes utterly wiped out in the fastest clean up of a major disaster ever witnessed..... hijackers with MacGruber like abilities..... those guys were horrible flight students, and even if they were at the top of their class, they're suddenly flying maneuvers in commercial jets that seasoned pilots can't make without trouble? The laundry list is long and ugly.

dude.... what does it take to get you to question this event?

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

We already had this discussing about planes that vaporize, and we showed you a video of a plane hitting a wall and there being nothing left.

Also had a discussion about how there was "not a single bolt" found at the crash site of Flight 93 in PA, yet in a single search I pulled up dozens of photos.

Okay, so now you say "there was not a single piece of the plane left"....

Here's a fucking engine from the Pentagon site:

Twice you told me there was "nothing left of a the plane" (once you even said "not a bolt") and yet simple single searches quickly produce pictures of plane parts at both sites.

If your gonna argue this, use your head instead of making shit up.

Don't bother posting pictures for that idiot. Waste of time. He only believes the shit he makes up in his fucked up head. Plane parts aren't part of that.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 09:36 AM

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Don't bother posting pictures for that idiot. Waste of time. He only believes the shit he makes up in his fucked up head. Plane parts aren't part of that.

is this you trash heap?

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 09:43 AM

from today's news:

Plane crashes in Venezuela with 47 on board
At least 23 survivors reported; turboprop had just taken off

CARACAS, Venezuela ? A commercial plane carrying at least 47 people crashed shortly after takeoff Monday in eastern Venezuela, and an official said at least 23 people survived. The ATR-42 turboprop from the government-run airline Conviasa crashed near Puerto Ordaz and about 6 miles after take-off from Ciudad Guayana, Transportation Minister Francisco Garces told reporters.

The plane went down on the property of the government-run Sidor steel foundry.

LINK

Guess what? The plane didn't "vaporize", and the steel foundry it crashed into did not melt.

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

from today's news:

Plane crashes in Venezuela with 47 on board
At least 23 survivors reported; turboprop had just taken off

CARACAS, Venezuela ? A commercial plane carrying at least 47 people crashed shortly after takeoff Monday in eastern Venezuela, and an official said at least 23 people survived. The ATR-42 turboprop from the government-run airline Conviasa crashed near Puerto Ordaz and about 6 miles after take-off from Ciudad Guayana, Transportation Minister Francisco Garces told reporters.

The plane went down on the property of the government-run Sidor steel foundry.

LINK

Guess what? The plane didn't "vaporize", and the steel foundry it crashed into did not melt.

Because every building and every plane is the same.
Is that why you fuck pigs? A pussy is a pussy?

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 09:50 AM

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Because every building and every plane is the same.
Is that why you fuck pigs? A pussy is a pussy?

keep trying trash bag.

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 09:55 AM

You have to be pretty retarded to compare these 2 crashes. Seriously, even a 12 year old wouldn't do that without feeling stupid.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 09:56 AM

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You have to be pretty retarded to compare these 2 crashes. Seriously, even a 12 year old wouldn't do that without feeling stupid.

are you gonna cry?

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 09:57 AM

23 people survived.

Amp just compared that to the plane flying into the wtc.

Holy shit....

This seriously has to be the most stupid shit i read here since i registered couple of days ago.

What a fucking retard.

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 09:59 AM

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are you gonna cry?

No but i for sure would if i was as retarded as you

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Trash Heap

23 people survived.

Amp just compared that to the plane flying into the wtc.

Holy shit....

This seriously has to be the most stupid shit i read here since i registered couple of days ago.

What a fucking retard.

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No but i for sure would if i was as retarded as you

you're priceless man....

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 10:46 AM

You look so sane Amp. No really.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 10:47 AM

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You look so sane Amp. No really.

keep posting dude....

Rochard · 09-13-2010, 10:50 AM

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i have no idea where you got any of those pics from. i can google "Plane crash" too and come up with all kinds of pics of scrap metal.

what about the "terrorist" passport lying in the street untouched after two planes, two towering skyscrapers, all the material in the buildings & the planes as well as all the people were reduced to ash?

you don't find that a bit convenient?

it's not one thing, one element, one discrepancy that is in question... it is many.

Norad running every fighter offshore that day.... complete breakdown of the FAA.... non-reaction by Bush.... melted steel.... missing planes.... surviving passports.... no investigation.... buildings falling for no reason.... crime scenes utterly wiped out in the fastest clean up of a major disaster ever witnessed..... hijackers with MacGruber like abilities..... those guys were horrible flight students, and even if they were at the top of their class, they're suddenly flying maneuvers in commercial jets that seasoned pilots can't make without trouble? The laundry list is long and ugly.

dude.... what does it take to get you to question this event?

The passport thing is "odd". I'll give that one to you. I am at a loss to explain how a passport manged to get through the plane the crash and land on the street without being destroyed. But I guess anything is possible.

The rest of you what you just said..

- NORAD runs planes outwards looking for military bombers, not inward at civilian flights.
- What breakdown of the FAA? Once they figured out what happened they shut down all flights. A lot of confusion, but no breakdown. Not much the FAA could have one one these flights were up in the air.
- Non reaction by Bush? What is he supposed to do? Run around like his head cut off like a chicken in front of school kids? he did exactly what he needed to do at that moment.
- We already covered the melted steel. It didn't melt, but was warped.
- Missing planes? What missing planes? You mean the ones that vaprozied? We covered this also and showed you a video of it.
- There was an investigation. A huge one. It took years. They produced books about it.
- Buildings didn't fall for no reason. They fell because they were hit by airplanes. We covered this.
- The crime scene wasn't wiped out - it was removed to a secure location where they went through it piece by piece. They did this in NJ.
- The hijackers were clearly trained to be commandos. And it's not like it takes much skill to beat someone up or intimidate someone with a knife.
- The hijackers were horrible pilots. But you give me a short amount of time in a flight sim and I'm pretty confident I can find a tall building to hit.

A lot of things happened this day. It's like a car accident witnessed by ten difficult people all from different viewpoints - Out of the ten people who saw it, you'll come up with six different stories about what happened.

Your trying to tell me that our government planned this and made it happen. And I'm telling you it would have taken hundreds of people to make this happen, all of which would have left a huge trail of evidence. Instead you point out that there is no planes at the crash scene when everyone in the world saw it happen on live TV.

You tell us that fire can't bring down a tower like this, and I'm telling you when a building takes a hit like that, looses a percentage of it's infrastructure, and then is further weakened by fire... I didn't say anything melting steel. It didn't need to melt.

You pull statements out of your ass saying "the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a plane crash" but truthfully it wasn't, being as the head designer himself released a statement saying he "considered it" but it was never official, and even so, what he "briefly considered" was for a 707 at a slow speed lost looking for an airport and not a 767 flying into the building at top speed - staggering differences. At this point your just making shit up and accepting it as fact.

You said there was "no plane debris" from flight 93 in PA, and a quick search shows me pictures. Same thing with the Pentagon. Where do you get this information from because when a simple search pulls up pictures from the crash scene with proof your wrong, someone isn't doing their homework or is making stuff up.

Then at the end of the day you have to factor in motive. What fucking motive did anyone in the US have to want to go into Afghanistan? Some pipeline that would have been much easier to build without it being in a warzone? That's just stupid.

Then.... You have the guilty party saying "Yep, we did it" from their caves.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The passport thing is "odd". I'll give that one to you. I am at a loss to explain how a passport manged to get through the plane the crash and land on the street without being destroyed. But I guess anything is possible.

The rest of you what you just said..

- NORAD runs planes outwards looking for military bombers, not inward at civilian flights.
- What breakdown of the FAA? Once they figured out what happened they shut down all flights. A lot of confusion, but no breakdown. Not much the FAA could have one one these flights were up in the air.
- Non reaction by Bush? What is he supposed to do? Run around like his head cut off like a chicken in front of school kids? he did exactly what he needed to do at that moment.
- We already covered the melted steel. It didn't melt, but was warped.
- Missing planes? What missing planes? You mean the ones that vaprozied? We covered this also and showed you a video of it.
- There was an investigation. A huge one. It took years. They produced books about it.
- Buildings didn't fall for no reason. They fell because they were hit by airplanes. We covered this.
- The crime scene wasn't wiped out - it was removed to a secure location where they went through it piece by piece. They did this in NJ.
- The hijackers were clearly trained to be commandos. And it's not like it takes much skill to beat someone up or intimidate someone with a knife.
- The hijackers were horrible pilots. But you give me a short amount of time in a flight sim and I'm pretty confident I can find a tall building to hit.

A lot of things happened this day. It's like a car accident witnessed by ten difficult people all from different viewpoints - Out of the ten people who saw it, you'll come up with six different stories about what happened.

Your trying to tell me that our government planned this and made it happen. And I'm telling you it would have taken hundreds of people to make this happen, all of which would have left a huge trail of evidence. Instead you point out that there is no planes at the crash scene when everyone in the world saw it happen on live TV.

You tell us that fire can't bring down a tower like this, and I'm telling you when a building takes a hit like that, looses a percentage of it's infrastructure, and then is further weakened by fire... I didn't say anything melting steel. It didn't need to melt.

You pull statements out of your ass saying "the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a plane crash" but truthfully it wasn't, being as the head designer himself released a statement saying he "considered it" but it was never official, and even so, what he "briefly considered" was for a 707 at a slow speed lost looking for an airport and not a 767 flying into the building at top speed - staggering differences. At this point your just making shit up and accepting it as fact.

You said there was "no plane debris" from flight 93 in PA, and a quick search shows me pictures. Same thing with the Pentagon. Where do you get this information from because when a simple search pulls up pictures from the crash scene with proof your wrong, someone isn't doing their homework or is making stuff up.

Then at the end of the day you have to factor in motive. What fucking motive did anyone in the US have to want to go into Afghanistan? Some pipeline that would have been much easier to build without it being in a warzone? That's just stupid.

Then.... You have the guilty party saying "Yep, we did it" from their caves.

we can go round and round on this forever man.... i'm not going to convince you, and you're not going to convince me. so what are we doing?

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 10:54 AM

btw, Pearl Harbor was a false flag too.

2012 · 09-13-2010, 10:54 AM

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/a.../evidence.html

Rochard · 09-13-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

from today's news:

Plane crashes in Venezuela with 47 on board
At least 23 survivors reported; turboprop had just taken off

CARACAS, Venezuela ? A commercial plane carrying at least 47 people crashed shortly after takeoff Monday in eastern Venezuela, and an official said at least 23 people survived. The ATR-42 turboprop from the government-run airline Conviasa crashed near Puerto Ordaz and about 6 miles after take-off from Ciudad Guayana, Transportation Minister Francisco Garces told reporters.

The plane went down on the property of the government-run Sidor steel foundry.

LINK

Guess what? The plane didn't "vaporize", and the steel foundry it crashed into did not melt.

My god your an idiot.

Most of the plane crashes happen at a low speed either during take off or landing, and usually they "belly flop". This limits the damage to the plane and is why people survive plane crashes.

Let me dumb this down for you. If throw a glass bottle at a wall the bottle breaks. If you send that same glass bottle into a concrete wall at 600 mph it's not going to break, but go through the wall. A plane that belly flops into a small building at 150 mph in a controlled fall means the plane breaks up into lots of pieces. A plane out of control crashing into a strongly built skyscraper at 600 mph or the world's largest building (the Pentagon) means the plane gets vaporized.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 10:58 AM

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My god your an idiot.

Most of the plane crashes happen at a low speed either during take off or landing, and usually they "belly flop". This limits the damage to the plane and is why people survive plane crashes.

Let me dumb this down for you. If throw a glass bottle at a wall the bottle breaks. If you send that same glass bottle into a concrete wall at 600 mph it's not going to break, but go through the wall. A plane that belly flops into a small building at 150 mph in a controlled fall means the plane breaks up into lots of pieces. A plane out of control crashing into a strongly built skyscraper at 600 mph or the world's largest building (the Pentagon) means the plane gets vaporized.

so what about the one that "crashed" in the PA field? no buildings involved, no steel.... doesn't terminal velocity ("belly flop") apply there too?

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 10:59 AM

Roc, all i'm saying is i'm a proponent of asking questions about shit that doesn't make any sense. not sure why you're ready to swallow the government's story hook, line & sinker without question, but i'm not. do you believe everything your government tells you on tv?

fatfoo · 09-13-2010, 11:01 AM

Metals are magic. Ancient secrets about metals and stones will not be revealed.

Slutboat · 09-13-2010, 11:03 AM

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 11:06 AM

9/11 being a false flag operation is much like God's existence.

you can't prove it wasn't a false flag, therefore it is still valid until ruled out 100%.

that will never happen so threads like this are entirely pointless except for an opportunity to post funny pictures.

wehateporn · 09-13-2010, 11:15 AM

All these people questioning the Official 9/11 Story are clearly not receiving enough Fluoride; get their areas Fluoridated ASAP!

MediaGuy · 09-13-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by will76

Again, always nice to see an occasional post like this to see who the nutjobs are. Sometimes it takes threads like this to get the crazies to come to the surface.

This is subjective. Depends who you think are nutjobs.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

When buildings loose their support in the center, the upper floors fall down - not in any other direction. When the upper floors fell down, it crumbled the floors below it. This is common knowledge.

There's nothing about any buildings losing their support "in the center". Even if that did happen, somehow, buildings would still tend to tilt to one or the other side before falling.

If the top 25 floors started falling it isn't "common knowledge" that the bottom 75 would succumb - that's actually against basic physics.

There IS a demolition technique that cuts a building in half and the top, equally heavy, portion crushes the bottom half because they have equal mass and volume, but the top third or quarter would not do that.

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The buildings were designed to have 100% of the support infrastructure in place. Not 75%. If you physically destroy 25% of the structure, you've damaged the remaining 75% - and it will not hold the rest of the building for long.

That's wrong. The buildings were designed to have large portions of their support structure compromised, by jet planes notably, and throughout as well.

In physics, the bottom 75% should resist the top 25% even if it doesn't "support" it - in other words that top 25 should have toppled, not crushed.

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Originally Posted by Rochard

That's not really true is it?

"Leslie Robertson, one of the chief engineers working on the design of the World Trade Center, has since claimed to have personally considered the scenario of the impact of a jet airliner?a Boeing 707 -- which might be lost in the fog and flying at relatively low speeds, seeking to land at JFK Airport or Newark Airport."

One of the designers "considered it", but no where does any paperwork say the building was designed to withstand the impact of a plane. Even the brief consideration mentioned above mentions a 707 flying at a low speed, not a much larger plane flying at much higher speed.

Robertson's quote confuses me, though, because the original building design parameters specifically mention aircraft hits. On "paper".

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Who said anything about melting steel? If you heat up steel beams that are already damaged, they aren't at 100% strength. Take away a percentage of the infrastructure, heat up the remaining damaged beams, and clearly it's only a matter of time before the building comes down.

The government originally said "anything about melting steel". And if your scenario (which is not the government's conspiracy theory) would be correct, the structure's whole frame would have to weaken perfectly equally symmetrically to fall down vertically the way they did...

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We already had this discussing about planes that vaporize, and we showed you a video of a plane hitting a wall and there being nothing left.

Also had a discussion about how there was "not a single bolt" found at the crash site of Flight 93 in PA, yet in a single search I pulled up dozens of photos.

Okay, so now you say "there was not a single piece of the plane left"....

Here's a fucking engine from the Pentagon site:

Twice you told me there was "nothing left of a the plane" (once you even said "not a bolt") and yet simple single searches quickly produce pictures of plane parts at both sites.

If your gonna argue this, use your head instead of making shit up.

Actually that is not a commercial jet liner engine part - it's much too small. Where this photo actually comes from is unresourced.

:D

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Originally Posted by The Trash Heap

That's the only way to talk to imbeciles like you and amp.

Actually you just have to provide some proof or at least links. Caca-poopoo name calling the way you do actually weakens your case...

:D

opflix · 09-13-2010, 11:29 AM

i would say its amazing... but its NOT amazing how people (especially americans) blindly follow what they feel is 'authority'. they will not only NOT question that authority, they will argue and swear by the word of that authority even without any intimate knowledge of the motives of the authority. if the government actually made an announcement ADMITTING its involvement in 9/11, 99% of the american public STILL wouldn't believe it was true - and you fuckers thought the matrix was a movie about fighting in slow motion... ZEITGEIST.

The Trash Heap · 09-13-2010, 11:43 AM

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Actually that is not a commercial jet liner engine part - it's much too small. Where this photo actually comes from is unresourced.

Uh yes it is. You're just too stupid to understand what part it is. Stop making stuff up. You look like a retard.

will76 · 09-13-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

from today's news:

Plane crashes in Venezuela with 47 on board
At least 23 survivors reported; turboprop had just taken off

CARACAS, Venezuela — A commercial plane carrying at least 47 people crashed shortly after takeoff Monday in eastern Venezuela, and an official said at least 23 people survived. The ATR-42 turboprop from the government-run airline Conviasa crashed near Puerto Ordaz and about 6 miles after take-off from Ciudad Guayana, Transportation Minister Francisco Garces told reporters.

The plane went down on the property of the government-run Sidor steel foundry.

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Guess what? The plane didn't "vaporize", and the steel foundry it crashed into did not melt.

my god you are about as dumb as a fucking rock. Actually, i think a rock is smarter. It said it went down on the PROPERTY of a steel foundry. Did it say it crashed into a steel building. no... Also you fucking nutjob "crashed" is a word that can have extreme differences, a plane can crash land but still be in tact and people can survive it, and a plane can crash head first into the ground and be blown into a million pieces and everyone dies. The simple fact that people lived tells you it wasn't a very sever crash. moron.

Amputate Your Head · 09-13-2010, 11:56 AM

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my god you are about as dumb as a fucking rock. Actually, i think a rock is smarter. It said it went down on the PROPERTY of a steel foundry. Did it say it crashed into a steel building. no... Also you fucking nutjob "crashed" is a word that can have extreme differences, a plane can crash land but still be in tact and people can survive it, and a plane can crash head first into the ground and be blown into a million pieces and everyone dies. The simple fact that people lived tells you it wasn't a very sever crash. moron.

took long enough for someone to notice.... sheesh....

exactly. it went down on a property. just like flight 93 allegedly did. yet shazam! survivors, parts, wreckage, bodies, fire,... all the things normally expected at a crash site.

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