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You saw it? I'd settle for a few pics of it and would love some video.
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The reality is this is a strong building, made up of huge blocks of concrete - and it wasn't hollow (like the WTC LOL). The plane totally destroyed an entire section of one ring, and sliced through two other rings. The plane traveled through five hundred feet of concrete and steel.
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Actually, don't even bother. It will be the same old retarded shit you idiots been saying for the last 10 years.
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buildings with cameras that were in the "flight path".
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The Pentagon didn't release videos showing it was a plane. Therefore it must've been a missile.
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Dgraves, where did the plane and all it's passengers go if it didn't fly into the Pentagon? And why replace a plane on its way there with a missile.
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Yes, the American government flew planes into their own buildings. No, they didn't fly a plane into the Pentagon. They made it dissapear and sent a missile instead. I know this because the Pentagon didn't show it was a plane. Fuck the witnesses and the plane wreckage found in and around the building. Not relevant. Yes, that makes perfect sense in my little fantasy world. |
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Yes obviously they were part of the conspiracy. They actually were there to quickly plant plane debris in and around the Pentagon seconds after the missile hit the building.
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No video it was a plane = evidence it was a plane. Pictures of plane debris in and around the Pentagon = not evidence it was a plane. |
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Amazing how everything has to be a conspiracy. I mean it doesn't even make any sense whatsoever anymore. There were no hijackers, the American government flew into their own towers. And at the same time it's impossible one of those planes flew into the Pentagon. These people are just so fucking batshit crazy. Any form is logic is completely non existant.
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i doubt anyone would attack my gym but if they did, they would have multiple video angles of the event. surrounding buildings would even have some angles of it. |
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God, this is just too much... Fuck the plane debris, not important, who cares. Right? On ignore, i can't handle this insanity anymore. Bye retardboy. |
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You read it right. The pictures of plane debris is "just a theory". The PICTURES are just a theory. The debris itself also does not matter. That doesn't mean anything. It's better to completely ignore the pictures and the debris. It simply has to be a missile because the Pentagon has not shown us it was a plane through video. Period.
Yes, this makes perfect sense to the truther. Not ONE moment of doubt when thinking this way. This logic will actually be picked up by another truther and be repeated on another forum. Like i said, there is no way of winning from this kind of thinking. Impossible. |
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dozens that were interviewed. no one knows for sure what others heard or saw. none of us were there so we just have to go by evidence.
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Look, a piece of the landing gear INSIDE the Pentagon. But hey, to the truther that is NOT important. This is "just a theory" and can be ignored. This is no evidence whatsoever. This does not mean a plane flew into the Pentagon. The fact that the Pentagon didn't release a video of a plane hitting the building however IS evidence that a missile was used.
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oddly enough it was just like a demo job. looks exactly like a demo job + sounds exactly like a demo job = no way it can be a demo job? |
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hold onto that evidence but haul away all the steel and melt it down as quickly as possible. |
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The problem is that GPS data hasn't been released. The ground radar lost each plane at crucial points in their bizarre trajectories. And the speeds were never confirmed by the FAA or any agency because they could not corroborate the government story. It's irrelevant - whether they were travelling at 300mph or 600mph, the damage at this point would be similar, and the buildings were designed to take it. Quote:
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Projections would not include "melting of steal [sic] beams" because airline fuel could not cause that particular occurrence, as has been proven in countless skyscraper fires, including a major WTC fire in 1996, and the fact that the steel is used exactly because normal fires cannot affect the beams. The WTC fires, 2011 and 1996, were considered "normal fires". Quote:
Building built in the 50s, 60s, 70s, and into the present day and age have been always built with airliner crashes considered, using science as a way to simulate a plane crash. The same science that informs "computer aided design" - which in no way provides advantages in technical and forensic forecasts. The damage and resistance "due to fire" was absolutely considered by Underwriters Laboratories before they approved the steel, using science established for centuries and never, until 9/11, contradicted in any way. Computer simulations are much more fallible than science, as the NIST simulations could prove if they weren't kept classified to "protect national security". Projections at the time were based in science as they have been for at least 200 years and were in no way "good guesses". Quote:
And was it enough to disrupt the molecular structure of every beam on every floor above and below the impacts to completely compromise their integrity? Please... "D
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What's the big deal about releasing video from local stores? Chances are nothing at all. All of these businesses were most likely far enough away from the Pentagon that they didn't show much at all. But rest assured, the truthers will find something like a flash of light and call it proof that it wasn't a plane, but a missile. If you want to see the video that badly, why hot request it under the freedom of information act? That's how they released the Pentagon video, which showed nothing of interest to anyone.
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And all of those cameras were pointed up at the sky watching airplanes, right?
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And why does this come as a surprise to anyone? Your talking about a building that was a city into itself, a city of fifty thousand people. These buildings had their power supplies, back up generators, and hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil in the event it needed to generate it's own power. Fireballs traveled down elevator shafts from the point of impact all the way to the basement. Of course there was explosions - there was a huge fire.
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As for the steel and most of the debris that had little importance, what are we supposed do with it? Store it for the next forty years? What do you think they do with airplanes after crashes? They spread them out in a big warehouse, try to piece together what happened, and then.... They get rid of it. Once the investigation is done that's that. They don't store the debris for the next forty years.
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The difference between the actual probable speed and the reported speed of the airliners is a niggle, not really pertinent, just further evidence of the self-evident and admitted fallacies of the 9/11 Commission report... Quote:
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The plane didn't slice through anything. According to official reports, the soft, hollow aluminum tip of the plane's nose punched through this re-inforced section, and the rest of the plane somehow folded itself into a 16-foot diameter entry hole to vaporize most of its contents against all expectations. It did not destroy "an entire section of one ring" at all. I have no idea what did this or how a regular aluminum airliner did this. I just don't buy the Pentagon bullshit. :D
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It's not much different with an airplane. Anyone can do it: http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-13/u...plane?_s=PM:US And it's not like these guys didn't have flight training? They had months worth.
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Each had out-pointing cameras. Each had their recordings confiscated - within fifteen minutes of the impact. Quote:
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Regardless, even if they didn't just damage the sky-lobbies, and made it to the basement, they wouldn't have the force to compromise the basement supports. Quote:
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According to all accounts, none of the pilots had any ability or experience - this from their instructors at the Florida flight schools where they "trained". ONE of the supposed hijackers was an ex-military trained pilot. And he was supposedly not at the controls, though how they determined that is up to their magical crystal ball that determined any of the hijackers were aboard any of the flights in the first place... :D
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But being as fireball traveled down to the ground level, it must have hit the basement levels too. Everything under the sun was in the basement. Air conditioning transformers, entire power plants, tens of thousands of gallons of oil....
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It's not nearly as difficult as people play it out to be. I've got no training, and I've flown an airplane....
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It's not difficult at all.
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I never said it had the force to rip off massive marble wall pieces. It didn't. But it did in fact destroy elevator doors. I didn't say anything about walls or columns in the basement. However, a fireball would do a huge amount of damage to an air conditioning unit, transformer, generator, and tens of thousands of gallons of oil located in the basement. You already know the fireball traveled all the way down to the lobby and lower levels; This is documented. If you can't see the damage that can be done in the lower levels by a fireball of this size, well, your retarded.
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it's an interesting topic but pointless to argue, much like religion. you either believe one story or the other. those who believe it was an inside job are labelled as "paranoid freaks" and those who believe it was an actual terrorist attack are labelled as "blind sheep". in either case, the government was counting on us and we didn't let them down.
i bet the reports would be considerably different if the exact same attack happened in Iraq and they blamed it on american terrorists. |