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03-27-2012, 09:03 AM | #1151 |
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johnny even if a plane crashed into your house you would see a missile or orb.
you are extremely deluded or possible insane. that is why your claims about truth are laughable. you see only what you want to see. not what is front of your eyes. |
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I love the part where he says "words can be deceptive".
Then he says "Do you see the rapid ejection of explosive material?". As a matter of fact, no, I do not. I see exactly what I would expect to see when one floor falls onto another floor in an air tight building.
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Do you know what else I learned today? WTC 7 had gas lines leading up from the basement level to higher floors to power emergency generators there.
Imagine that.
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And second, you're wrong: while small bits of iron doesn't mean the tower was brought down by explosives, small beaded aerosoled iron means that temperatures above the melting point of iron had to be present. Temps that couldn't be present in office fires, as NIST classified the temperature conditions in the building, btw....
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These "gasses" you make reference to do not increase the temperatures at which carpets and desks burn. Use your logic. Quote:
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Even if there was natural gas, how dould that affect steel? :D
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This CLOWN is exactly why people jump to conclusions. He is is not looking at this video from a skeptical point of view - just the opposite - he is instead looking for what he believes, and then reenforcing his belief, and worst of all, pushing his beliefs onto the view. Want proof? The very first thing is "The starting point in SCIENCE is observation". This is his only mention of science. Everything else is observation, and conclusions he draws only from those observations. At 0:25 he says "What do you REALLY see happening here?" This is a suggestion to the viewer that everything is not as it seems. He is creating doubt with an agenda to push his own opinion. AT 0:33 he asks if you "See the rapid explosions of ejected material". and at 0:42 he says he will "call them explosions because its hard to find other words that describe what we are seeing here". What he should have said is "See the rapid ejection of material?". While they may look like explosions, he cannot know if they are or not from that video, or even if he was standing there. In this stupid video he uses the word "explosion" many times as if it were fact. At about 0:52 he says "The (explosions) move progressively down the building". They are not explosions, they are "ejected material", and of course they move progressively down the building. Millions of tons are crushing the floors, and some of the pressure is causing materials to be ejected out the sides. The amount of energy is so high that it is ejecting the material at 100 miles per hour or more out of the sides of the buildings. At 1:04 he says "notice the "explosions" are occurring over a wide zone", as if this is proves anything. From our point of view, WTC seems to be falling fairly straight down but of course it is not. Some parts are falling faster than others, some parts of some floors weigh more than others, some points are stronger than others or have different materials. OF COURSE the Ejections would be random and spread out. Barely 1 minute into the video and this guy has already proved himself to be an asshole. He then switches into stronger language. "Squibs" and "controlled demolition". He has already made up his mind as to what he is seeing, despite the fact that everything so far is pure conjecture and imagination. Haha I love this : At 2:39 he asks "What could hurl such girders with such force and such speed? What a fucking tool this guy is. The energy from the collapse could easily have done this. They idiot goes on and on to make one stupid mistake and assumption after another. This idiot is the worst conspiracy theories ever.
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We know what the temp of the fire was. Are you now telling me it was much hotter? That's seriously funny. You tell me how hot the fires were.
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Clearly this guy has never set foot in the WTC and doesn't understand it was air tight.
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And before you ask how fireballs went down elevator shafts to other floors, the elevators were compromised at the point of impact and followed the path of least resistance - to the lobby and the sky lobbies. Quote:
In order for explosives to have been used, someone would have needed tons of it. It would have taken dozens of people weeks to do it, and you can't hide it. You got nothing more than a handful of half baked accusations that are completely false.
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Wait for it... you won't believe his explanation for this one... !
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Look into the Turner Construction WTC renovations in 2000
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The fire was not three times the temperature it takes to begin to melt iron. According to NIST it wasn't, at it's hottest, even half that. Quote:
Even before this, the buildings did not manufacture their own breathable air - a submarine is air tight, but no office buildings are... Quote:
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"We" didn't determine anything about thermite. You found a link to Wikipedia that mentioned thermite is used in exothermitic welding - railroad ties and thick-cable electrical network building. You didn't show any proof that it was used to build the WTC or any building in NYC, or that raw thermite was kept on the premises in case of the need for repairs. The whole point of thermite welding is that it's dangerous and generates huge amounts of dangerous heat; that it's easier to weld a tie at the site of the accident than to drag it back to a shop. There's no indication that it's convenient to use thermite in building construction. Quote:
I don't know how many people or days or weeks would be needed to set up the destructive elements. However, the WTC itself was shut down completely recently before the "attacks". Until there's an actual investigation, all that stuff is complete speculation. Quote:
What, exactly, do you guys have apart for the "common sense" that a plane and kerosene "could" do what the buildings were designed not to do in precisely that scenario. All I hear from you guys is "could" "should" and all sorts of speculation. I still haven't heard any facts.
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And all of this is kind of silly anyhow because anything found in the debris might be there because they used it to dismantle the debris to remove it. You would have needed tons of explosives to take down that towers and there would have been no way to install any of it without anyone knowing.
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If it was "missing support" why did the buildings not come down asymmetrically, which would be more likely accroding to the odds, but increasingly unlikely with each building that fell, one by one, that day? Quote:
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The original argument was that "steel didn't melt" at a the temperatures reached in the fire. But it didn't need to melt, it just needed to bend. Steel starts to weaken at 500-600 degrees. The steel in question faced higher temps, and started to weaken. It didn't need hours to weaken - an hour was plenty. Quote:
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Little iron spheres... Come from printer ink. It doesn't mean there was any explosives. You keep going back to "iron" which seems to prove to you that explosives were used, and I'm just not seeing that. Iron speheres, 7 microns in size, are used in magentic printer ink - lots of those in the WTC, and lots of documents with ink. And that's only once source of "iron spheres". We can talk a lot more about them too.
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I think the Taco Bell Dog, Ronald McDonald and that Jack In The Box CEO were behind this to distract us from the American obesity problem that fast food is creating.
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Actually, there's nothing normal about what they found at the WTC. The metal was all pre-cut to convenient lengths, the so-called collapse caused all the concrete to be pulverized... you name it, it wasn't normal or rather what you would expect...
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However, the FEMA report did find that regions of steel in beams of the WTC had been subjected to "severe high temperature corrosion attack" and subsequent melting.[71] Further, the report found that temperatures of these regions of the steel beams investigated approached 1,000C degrees (1,800F), temperatures far lower than would be necessary for melting steel under ordinary circumstances. ( source ) Quote:
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A fire started in the living room of an average house gets to over 1100 degrees in only about 3 and a half minutes. Your whole argument is that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. The truth is that there was so much fuel (jet fuel + office materials + oxygen) that it got more than hot enough to WEAKEN the steal which caused the collapse. Geeze...!
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This is some more wonderful bullshit. John Farmer was in fact on the 9/11 Commission, but he hasn't come out on the record saying there was a government cover up.
He wrote a book called "The Ground Truth: The Untold Story of America Under Attack on 9/11" which, oddly enough, talks about 9/11... and Katrina, as in the hurricane. He talks more about what the government failed to do before 9/11, and then tells us the "seven things we should have learned from 9/11". His book discusses that the FAA was unaware that the US State Department had a "terrorist watch list", which really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone - It's not big surprise when two government agencies don't talk to each other. If anyone had a smoking gun, it would be this guy - direct from the 9/11 Commission itself. Yet he's got nothing. Anyone can make a graphic and tell a lie.
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Nobody said it was. All the video I have seen shows it was heavily damaged by debris from WTC's 1 and 2, and it burned for 7 hours I think before it collapsed.
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There was no valid investigation. The 9/11 Commission and such weren't "investigations" but rather reviews.
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When they built my parent's house, the back porch was originally a garbage pit. Anything they didn't need they threw into a huge pile, and then eventually they covered it up with concrete. I'm sure if you ripped open the walls of any large building, you would find the same. Hell, I've found all kinds of crap in my attic including an entire set of tools. On top of all of this, WTC was a massive construction site. You look at this as a "completed building" but the truth is the WTC was always a construction site. At any given time there was a number of construction zones there - Every time they had a new tenet they had to move walls, re-wire things, and god only knows what else. Half of both towers had been ripped apart over the past ten years to have asbestos removed or fire proofing installed. God only knows what they stored down in the basement levels to support this activity.
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And Mediguy... Here's something new..... Entire floors were "Mechanical floors" where electrics, wiring, machines, havac, and everything else required to run a city of fifty thousand people were stored.
God only knows what was stored in these floors. You keep thinking of the towers as "buildings". They were so much more than that. More people worked in the WTC than live in my home town here. It was so big it had it's own power sub station.
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