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I don't blame you for not wanting to know, my post earlier wasn't aimed at you as I don't see you as someone who would be able to cope well with the reality of the situation.
Your self-defense mechanisms do work well at protecting you from this disturbing truth.
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I forgot about those inferno-proof passports found near the WTC
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You're saying it was rational and reasonable that a 'suicide bomber' wanted to hide his identity? They're meant to go down as heroes
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I've always had an ability to spot a lie, I'm blessed with that skill, though it doesn't always feel like a blessing. I would warn those around me, though normally they couldn't see it, not until it was too late. (e.g. thief, scammer, fights etc) Things that aren't logical stand out to me, so I examine them more closely, to discover the agenda. You need to be honest with yourself; what are your strengths and weaknesses. Maybe you believe you are SuperMan, but instead of telling yourself how great you are, look at where you have failed, be honest with yourself about your weaknesses, maybe then you can open your mind up and ask "What if?"
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i don't believe in the traditional 9/11 narrative and the 9/11 conspiracy narrative is even worse. one day you may grasp that.
there is nothing you have posted that i have not looked into years ago and found to be bs. an idea does not scare me. obviously ideas scare you. i truly do say "what if" to everything, everyday. and that extends to my "what ifs?" as well. you have just swapped out one belief system for another. you are no better than a fox news zombie. Quote:
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A look behind the curtains would leave most feeling sick, but after time you just get used to it.
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Facts my ass...this entire post is just more of your ignorant pigshit.
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There are certainly plenty of people out there who wouldn't make good judges. Patience, courage and wisdom make for a good start
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Overall, I'm pleased that you take part in these threads, it means you're having to think about the events of that day. Each time you enter one of these threads you'll no doubt learn something new, like most will; this is a step in the right direction.
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Over and over I've said I'm not out to point fingers or place blame, that's just ultimately fruitless speculation, and I repeated that, whoever did it, the US government and its cronies (be it big oil, the weapons and private security industries, banking, possibly the opium trade, domestic control and surveillance, the intelligence branches) definitely profited from 9/11. The only thing that is definite is that the destruction of the buildings wasn't "organic" or gravity-driven; there is little or no proof beyond speculation and conjecture on behalf of government bodies, and there is very interesting and solid evidence on the side of incendiary demolition tactics. One is the presence of small iron spherical particles in all the dust collected in the debris and elsewhere in the city, by both government and independant agencies - which means that something was so hot it melted then vaporized or aerosolized molten metal, which couldn't have occurred in any office fire condition or even the most extreme temperatures reported by both NIST and FEMA. The other is the presence of un-ignited incendiary particles of probably military grade materials, thermite or thermate, reported in an unchallenged (and frankly ignored) scientific paper on the matter. There's also USGS and other reports of trace elements of materials like Barium that can't be present in anthing other than explosive/incendiary metal-cutting activity. Finally there's eyewitness and video/audio testimony of not only explosions and explosive sounds, but the presence of molten metal, friggin' lava, under all the debris, that was recorded for weeks and weeks after the buildings were felled. That's the physical aspect. There's all sorts of circumstantial and co-related evidence that seem to demonstrate that this was an expected event, planned and programmed, that only made it into the public record years later or just surfaced after Freedom of Information requests and other divulgations and investigations occurred. At best, it seems Government entities like NIST were involved in a cover-up, ignoring most of the physical evidence that couldn't be swept under the carpet to produce their computer models and animations of the damage and "disproportionate collapse" of the buildings as though nobody were going to look into it.
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I would imagine the US government must have taken a huge effort to keep all of these government entities in line... And yet not one person has come forward to tell the world... Right back to square one.
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The fact that they were able to map hot spots from space for weeks is one of the reasons these could not have been normal office fires set off by airliner fuel. Foundries provoke the kind of heat you're referring to and molten metal, which wouldn't be possible if these were even abnormally hot office fires. Quote:
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And not I'm not saying the US government did it. I just find it hard to believe that intelligent folks are so unwilling to believe in the possibility their government lied and/or lies to them, or could undertake the kind of action they have been documented to do in the past... But again, I'm not saying they did - I don't claim to know who did.
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If you have a short attention span then check out :52 and 1:52 around those areas where key points are brought up about wt7 that are literally indisputable. You can see the damage sustained in the other wtc buildings and they did not collapse. These are the ones I keep referring to that still stand tall today. The damage these had compared to wt7 was much greater! Yet 7 fell. Seriously watch this whole video and you will see why the govt story is inconsistent. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ouXSe...e_gdata_player |
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At the moment of impact, fireballs shot down elevator shafts, to the sky lobbies, as well as down to the main lobby and the basement. This is established fact as there was dozens of witnesses. It's entirely possible that people on certain floors heard explosions below them before they knew a plane had impacted the building. Quote:
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The problem with your group is it attracts a lot of idiots - people who just believe in conspiracy theories no matter what and will always jump on the band wagon. They take something that seems odd or out of place and make it up into something big. Are there things that we cannot explain about that day? Of course. Two massive buildings fell down - and that's an understatement because these two buildings were more like cities. There will always be things we cannot explain.
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Those that were mentioned in testimony that was ignored by the 9/11 Commission, teh testimony of building employees who distinguished between the explosion/s from below them prior to the impact of the plane above them. There is also the testimony of NY fire fighters that was suppressed for (I believe) at least two years before it was released. There was much evidence of explosive occurrences before the collapses and even the plane crashes. It was under-reported, not reported or simply ignored as not coinciding with the official story, but it was recorded and remains available. Quote:
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These are all statements I didn't make, and the more I read here the more I regret throwing out the Barium reference... sigh.
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There's also USGS and other reports of trace elements of materials like Barium that can't be present in anthing other than explosive/incendiary metal-cutting activity. You said it can't be present unless there is "explosive/incendiary metal-cutting activity". But you forgot to mention "fluorescent lights". Plenty of that going on in the WTC. Quote:
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Media is the most important arm of government; the people behind the 9/11 attacks also own the Western media.
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As for the reason the oral and written testimonies of New York fire fighters were suppressed... that would have to be looked up. I don't remember the reason or if those who were responsible for releasing them ever said why they weren't. Quote:
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"belt like detonations" sounds like floors slamming into each other. Or god only knows what exploding. This is a perfect example of saying "This must have been detonations" when it could have been anything. Keep in mind that that by the time the towers fell, there was huge uncontrolled fires on multiple floors in multiple buildings exploding god only knows what. Your talking about a huge building that has massive fireballs running through it. Quote:
And again you mention molten steel... Why does anything think there wouldn't be molten steel? Your talking about underground fires that were so hot they were mapped out by airplanes - that burned uncontrolled for weeks. Just seems like common sense you would have molten steel.
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And I am in fact assuming they did not know what was going on up above, because it wasn't going on yet when they felt what came from below. They wouldn't have reported explosions from below before the fireball/s struck - if indeed fireballs made it that far down, which is disputed - they were aware of two booms or explosive events - first, one below, then one above. Quote:
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I'm too lazy to dig it all up for a nim whit like you but I'll drop some quick clues so you can start your real world education on your own. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_and...king_in_the_US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking They even made a movie about the CIA running drugs back in the day, Air America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Afghanistan_Pipeline http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/wo.../05afghan.html http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/wo...ntel.html?_r=2 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15254788 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1006294.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/west_asia/37021.stm I could go on posting links from various sources for days but 1) It's not worth my time. 2) You'd still live with your head in the sand like a brainwashed drone in denial. A little education and reading would do you good, because believe it or not, the earth is not flat. |
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I advise everyone to watch this 911 documentary. Its not like the rest, it goes name by name and shows you who was responsible. It doesn't go into the how, it goes into the Who.
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What is not fact...is the fucked up conclusions you draw and the opinions you spew forth...from "facts" that you have read. You are a few cards short of a full deck. BTW...I have never faked my death...and just further exposes your ignorance.
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I "put together what's going on in this world" just fine...thank you very much. You are now dismissed.
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Slight fires? You mean massive fireballs that instantly travel down 100 flights of stairs to explode in the main lobby, right?
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FACT: Taliban came to the USA to discuss oil and the pipeline in 1997 FACT The Afghanistan war started after the Taliban pipeline oil deal fell apart. FACT: The CIA has admitted to drug trafficking. It is well documented. FACT: Opium production is at an all time high since the USA invaded Afghanistan FACT: US soldiers are protecting poppy fields and paying farmers for crops they accidentally destroy. All of that can be found either in government records, comments from government officials, or straight from soldiers mouths. But I guess both your government and all the soldiers are lying. Perhaps your Pentagon contacts clued you in on all the top secret info and set the story straight. FACT: You faked your own death on a message board and everyone knows it. |
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A different type of collapse perhaps, rather than ones resembling the controlled demolition of WTC7
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By the way, this argument that keeps being brought up about the US getting their oil from Canada is not relevant. This is not about grabbing oil that is NEEDED by the West.
It's about controlling the flow of oil, not about taking oil for the US to use. Oil is currently one of the most powerful weapons in the world; if you control it you can decide which currency it is sold in i.e. setting that currency as a world reserve currency which then vastly inflates it's value, meaning the purchasing power of that nation is amplified to a level far above where it would normally be. You can also decide who you're going to sell the oil to and for how much. Henry A. Kissinger : "Control the oil and you can control entire Continents." Michael Collon, Belgian author said: "If you want to rule the world, you need to control oil. All the oil. Anywhere." Food is also an incredibly powerful weapon, but in a slightly different way. This is what Monsanto are for, the plan is for them to eventually control the food supply.
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Again - whether or not WTC7 was intentionally demo'ed has nothing to do with the fact that 2 commercial jets flew right through towers 1&2 causing massive structural damage, explosions and fires.
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