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xholly · 03-09-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

mayabong,

I wouldn't waste time with the forum semi-bots/coffee bitches; they're only doing their job of annoying people to ensure you keep on posting. Also watch out for when they pop in disguised as a genuine poster spouting complete junk

wtf is a coffee bitch?

so now the people who are debating the truthers and pointing out the incredible amount of holes are somehow involved in another conspiracy to keep people posting, doing their job.

Im really curious if you think I am doing something other than expressing my opinion and pointing out holes in your theories.

disguised as a genuine poster? Wow, you are on the verge of falling over the abyss and into the realm of full blown paranoid psychosis.

WarChild · 03-09-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Eh no point in continuing this. You're not going to be able to explain physics to someone who's only education consists of making a porn gallery and putting it online. The whole free fall theory is disregarded because it's too complicated to understand. It involves science and the people who defend the govt Answers on 9-11 live in a bubble and no matter what facts you throw at them they will continue to say show me proof. If you have Silverstein the owner of the entire site, in an interview, 2 days after the whole event, telling you that they decided to pull building 7, what more proof do you need that building 7 was demolished? The owner is telling you it was done!!! Holy shit!

I lost friends there tha day. My grandfather was also on his way home from work in manhattan that day. Another friend got off the bus outside of the tunnel that comes out right at the site moments before the collapse took place. Her and her twin sister almost lost their lives as they ran from the falling building. I watched every moment unfold on NYC news. Not Arizona news or whatever. I have friends who were firemen there that day who are alive still (thank god) who saw way more than you long distance experts ever did.

Your ignorance is doing a disservice to people like this. It's not a bad thing to ask for answers! For you to attack truthers because you think you just know it all just because you do is arrogant and ignorant. Because you live in a bubble makes you think that a govt can in no way take part in something like this or to think that no one else in the world was really behind this because the world is made of pink fluffy bunnies and clouds.

Silverstein increased his insurance policy on the site just days before 9-11. Then he tells you they decided to pull the buildings. Connect the dots if you can't understand physics at least! In any other crime investigation motive leads to the killer. Use your brains for two seconds people!

I don't believe for one second that you're more educated or have a better understanding of physics than the authors of the NIST report.

Your "pull" proof is ridiculous on the face. The Fire Chief does not report to Silverstein and in the context of Silverstein and the Fire Chief discussing anything, the world "pull" does not translate to demolation. Further, as I already said, "pull" in the context of demolition means to actually pull not set off charges.

You are in New York and had friends there. Great, unfortunately that doesn't qualify you as any sort of expert as to what happened.

xholly · 03-09-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

One more thing that I find interesting and always sticks in my mind (this is only my own opinion haven't heard it repeated anywhere else) is bush's reaction to the whole thing.

Think about it if it was a movie. Just suppose this was a movie. You as the writer would place the president of the USA (who in your story knows of the pending attack) in the mos innocent place at they time of the attack. As a writer you ask yourself why would my character want to be in the most innocent place? Well for obvious feeling of guilt that torments the character but also to completely disassociate the character with any guilt. Reading to elementary school kids couldn't have been written any better for a movie plot. It's perfect.
Now think of your characters reaction when he finds out the attack he knew would take place actually does take place. He would suddenly be faced with the reality of what he had known all along. Maybe he mumbles a god rest their souls in his head. Maybe he is tormented by guilt at that exact moment. All these feelings suddenly surface and he freezes. A blank stare. And moments pass before he goes back into action. Such as bush did.
I couldn't have written a better story myself. Yet there it was for all to see in plain sight.

Let's say the character didn't know of any impending attack. He was oblivious when he is approached with the information and is really Ito reading my pet goat. Now how would that character react? If the writer didn't make the character jump out of the seat it would be considered not believable and the scene wouldn't work. I think it's safe to say anyone faced with this kind of information in one quick blow would have had a totally different reaction to it had they not had prior knowledge. "crashed into what!?" the character would exclaim as he springs into action.

Again this is just something that struck me as odd that day and no one ever talks about it. could be nothing at all and I certainly am not saying this to tie it in to what I believe to be true controlled and planned demos or to use it as proof of my original points. I am only offering it as food for thought.

Do I think bush and our govt planned this? Highly unlikely. I believe there are larger powers at work ....the guys who really run this world. They said hey this is what is going to happen and how and when. You just sit there and look pretty and offer comfort tothe people. To me what you saw on bush's face that day was true concealed remorse for those people that he knew he had no power in saving because this event was going to happen with or without him.

End scene.

noone is saying you guys dont have any imagination. thats kinda the issue.

wehateporn · 03-09-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xholly

wtf is a coffee bitch?

so now the people who are debating the truthers and pointing out the incredible amount of holes are somehow involved in another conspiracy to keep people posting, doing their job.

Im really curious if you think I am doing something other than expressing my opinion and pointing out holes in your theories.

disguised as a genuine poster? Wow, you are on the verge of falling over the abyss and into the realm of full blown paranoid psychosis.

Not you xholly, you're a legit poster. I don't want to name names, afterall GFY is setup this way for a reason and it's worked very well. Put yourself in the shoes of a forum owner and think of how you'd make your site successful

WarChild · 03-09-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

He said they PULLED the building, they demo'd it....just look at it and how it came down. You have to, literally, be THE biggest brainwashed person in the world if you can't see THAT was a controlled demolition

You're a lunatic. I don't argue with lunatics.

DBS.US · 03-09-2012, 07:21 PM

wehateporn · 03-09-2012, 07:23 PM

By the way Ann-Angelcom, you've made some fantastic posts. In particular the Bush reading stories point is something that's rarely mentioned, or at least not in the same context as you said

In New York do you find that most people view 9/11 as an inside job?

xholly · 03-09-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Not you xholly, you're a legit poster. I don't want to name names, afterall GFY is setup this way for a reason and it's worked very well. Put yourself in the shoes of a forum owner and think of how you'd make your site successful

yea i know that does happen.

WarChild · 03-09-2012, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Question the government, reality, and your slave masters and you're considered a "lunatic" and "conspiracy theorist"

You believe humans evolved from alien DNA and aliens live in the center of the Earth. Not only do you believe it, but you think it should be an obvious conclusion. That makes you a lunatic. Full stop.

xholly · 03-09-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Question the government, reality, and your slave masters and you're considered a "lunatic" and "conspiracy theorist"

ask the right questions

WarChild · 03-09-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Oh no, "God" created human beings...

Your imagination is pretty vivid. I no more believe there's a god than I believe in your alien theory. You're a lunatic, just like I said.

WarChild · 03-09-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

So what do you "believe"? I'd love to hear this one

It's impossible to have a real discussion with you because you're a lunatic. There's no way I'm going to waste my time trying.

WarChild · 03-09-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

Yup, I knew it...you believe that "God" created humans

Your capacity for logic and reason is non-existent. I flat out told you I don't believe in any god and the conclusion you jump to is that because I, like any sane and reasonable person, won't entertain your hollow earth alien fantasty that I'm lying and I really do believe in God.

It's a wonder that you can even manage to stay alive.

Ann-Angelcom · 03-09-2012, 08:25 PM

Most people who were directly Affected by 9-11 do not have answers only questions. That is why the conspiracy even exists. There are too many loop holes in the govt explanation of what happened that day. Too many things that any logical thinking human being would question yet no one provides the truth.

Had there been a proper investigation there would be no questions. But they lied and hid facts. Why? Ask yourself that? Some people say why would they use planes then. Why not just blow it up? Well that's pretty obvious too. To make people not question it! Duh of course they fell...a plane flew into them! Most simple people would say therefore taking away credibility from truthers.

Am I an expert? A scientist? No. But because I was directly affected by the disaster I was forced to pay attention to detail. Unlike some of you who refuse to do so simply because you don't care enough to learn. Yet you continue tO come here and post some bs about shit you learned from fox or a friend. You weren't watching and hanging on every word of the news anchors that day as you waited for your loved one to come home. You saw the news while it was on tv while you were masturbating and posting stupid shit on gfy. You never even bothered to revisit it. Never bothered to read more or learn more. To you it was a distant day 10 years ago in a distant place. A movie.

So if you have no answers to the questions posted here. Other than trying to make people out to be crazy because they are asking questions. Do me a favor and gfy. You have no right and you're offensive to those of us who lost loved ones. You're an ignorant joke. And stop pretending you do have the answer because if the families who lost loved ones don't have answers still you sure as hell don't.

WarChild · 03-09-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Most people who were directly Affected by 9-11 do not have answers only questions. That is why the conspiracy even exists. There are too many loop holes in the govt explanation of what happened that day. Too many things that any logical thinking human being would question yet no one provides the truth.

Had there been a proper investigation there would be no questions. But they lied and hid facts. Why? Ask yourself that? Some people say why would they use planes then. Why not just blow it up? Well that's pretty obvious too. To make people not question it! Duh of course they fell...a plane flew into them! Most simple people would say therefore taking away credibility from truthers.

Am I an expert? A scientist? No. But because I was directly affected by the disaster I was forced to pay attention to detail. Unlike some of you who refuse to do so simply because you don't care enough to learn. Yet you continue tO come here and post some bs about shit you learned from fox or a friend. You weren't watching and hanging on every word of the news anchors that day as you waited for your loved one to come home. You saw the news while it was on tv while you were masturbating and posting stupid shit on gfy. You never even bothered to revisit it. Never bothered to read more or learn more. To you it was a distant day 10 years ago in a distant place. A movie.

So if you have no answers to the questions posted here. Other than trying to make people out to be crazy because they are asking questions. Do me a favor and gfy. You have no right and you're offensive to those of us who lost loved ones. You're an ignorant joke. And stop pretending you do have the answer because if the families who lost loved ones don't have answers still you sure as hell don't.

Listen to you jumping to conclusions. Somebody doesn't agree with you? Well then they must be a masturbating Fox News viewer!

Nobody is calling people lunatics for asking questions. We're calling people lunatics for jumping to wild, unfounded conclusions. Much like what you're doing right now.

porno jew · 03-09-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Unlike some of you who refuse to do so simply because you don't care enough to learn. Yet you continue tO come here and post some bs about shit you learned from fox or a friend.

why is it impossible to understand that people have looked into the claims of the 9/11 conspiracy movement and found them based off distortions, junk science, lies, lack or sources and so on? maybe that's why people don't join the cult?

why is that so hard to grasp?

BFT3K · 03-09-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

why is it impossible to understand that people have looked into the claims of the 9/11 conspiracy movement and found them based off distortions, junk science, lies, lack or sources and so on? maybe that's why people don't join the cult?

why is that so hard to grasp?

All sorts of people question 9/11. You seem to think they are all the same, and they all believe the same thing, but that is not the case. I don't believe the government is telling the truth, but I don't believe every 9/11 conspiracy theory I hear either.

Using your screen name for example, it would be like saying everyone who is not Pro-Zionist is Anti-Jew. Again, this is also not true, but some people like to generalize like that.

Lucy - CSC · 03-09-2012, 09:22 PM

I wonder how many more crimes Israel will be able to get away with and cry the anti-semantism card? It is starting to ware out each time they do it.

Rochard · 03-09-2012, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ann-Angelcom

Most people who were directly Affected by 9-11 do not have answers only questions. That is why the conspiracy even exists. There are too many loop holes in the govt explanation of what happened that day. Too many things that any logical thinking human being would question yet no one provides the truth.

Had there been a proper investigation there would be no questions. But they lied and hid facts. Why? Ask yourself that? Some people say why would they use planes then. Why not just blow it up? Well that's pretty obvious too. To make people not question it! Duh of course they fell...a plane flew into them! Most simple people would say therefore taking away credibility from truthers.

Am I an expert? A scientist? No. But because I was directly affected by the disaster I was forced to pay attention to detail. Unlike some of you who refuse to do so simply because you don't care enough to learn. Yet you continue tO come here and post some bs about shit you learned from fox or a friend. You weren't watching and hanging on every word of the news anchors that day as you waited for your loved one to come home. You saw the news while it was on tv while you were masturbating and posting stupid shit on gfy. You never even bothered to revisit it. Never bothered to read more or learn more. To you it was a distant day 10 years ago in a distant place. A movie.

So if you have no answers to the questions posted here. Other than trying to make people out to be crazy because they are asking questions. Do me a favor and gfy. You have no right and you're offensive to those of us who lost loved ones. You're an ignorant joke. And stop pretending you do have the answer because if the families who lost loved ones don't have answers still you sure as hell don't.

You still can't tell me why our government would want to do this? So we can invade a worthless country that no one cared about?

theking · 03-09-2012, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WarChild

Listen to you jumping to conclusions. Somebody doesn't agree with you? Well then they must be a masturbating Fox News viewer!

Nobody is calling people lunatics for asking questions. We're calling people lunatics for jumping to wild, unfounded conclusions. Much like what you're doing right now.

Exactly!!!

There is nothing wrong with questions...but there is something wrong with the fruitcakes that answer those questions based upon their loony toon conclusions.

mayabong · 03-09-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You still can't tell me why our government would want to do this? So we can invade a worthless country that no one cared about?

When the government is overrun by Jews who care more about Israel than the US anything is possible. Afghanistan is a very strategic place cause it will be used as a launchpad for a future war with Iran.

Ann-Angelcom · 03-10-2012, 02:30 AM

Just about to give up on this one. Seems like some people are just never going to admit anything other than their own belief. This conversation is much like trying to tell someone Jesus is a myth. You can give them the science of why it was impossible for him to walk on water but people will still believe it. This very much stems from ignorance and the inability to think from a to z instead of from a to b.

I never said a truther has answers. Matter of fact they don't. That have questions! Why? Why? Why? They never for one second say this is why. They say why?? Why did the building fall at free fall. Why did 7 collapse? Why did Silverstein know it and decide it would come down? Why?????? The only people with answers here are the arrogant bozos against the truther movement. Duh "pancake". Duh "pentagon plane was shown on camera". Only it wasn't. The stupid answers have left questions for people who lost friends and family that will never be answered. Shame on anyone who defends that.

But the point is let people ask questions. Hell you should ask too. But don't talk down to people who do just because you believe Santa Claus exists. Like I said you're doing a disservice to the Heroes and victims of that day. And you're an insult to them as well.

Pornojew. Yes you're right. Exactly. Just do me a favor and don't say that to anyone else who lost people there. Continue living in your bubble and that's fine. Just don't make ignorant statements like that in public. It's insulting to people who care much more about this than you do and have already investigated this much more than you ever well only leading to dead ends and more questions.

DWB · 03-10-2012, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You still can't tell me why our government would want to do this? So we can invade a worthless country that no one cared about?

Afghanistan is an incredibly resource rich country. They also supply the bulk of opium to the world, so whoever controls the opium controls not only the most of the opium drug trade, but there is huge money to be made on it for medicinal purposes as well. The pharmaceutical companies use it like it's going out of style.

Then of course there is that tiny project called The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline that will supply natural gas to India and Pakistan. And with Indian exploding right now in growth, this is going to be a big money maker. Paid for by.... wait for it... The Asian Development Bank, which is like an Asian version of the World Bank, with it's biggest shareholders being... wait for it... The USA and Japan, with China and India owning a stake as well.

But I doubt it would be due to either of those reasons. Probably all just a coincidence and the real reason was to hunt a handful of Taliban who live in caves and huts and herd goats when they are not plotting epic terror attacks. Which I may add they did find Osama's play book when they killed him and the biggest attack written in it was laying logs (cut down trees) across rail road tracks in the USA. Epic stuff.

Ann-Angelcom · 03-10-2012, 05:14 AM

Can I just point out again the simple fact of wtc7 falling and the govt saying it sustained so much damage it fell? Forget the fact that the news anchors and even the owner of the site Silverstein all said it was planned. Just look at that map again and use common sense. You see the buildings that are almost attached to the twin towers that's how close they are? They are all fine today and standing. Not only that but had you visited the site a short time after the attack you would know that those buildings also did not look bad at all!!! The windows and faces that were directly facing the twin towers were all blown out. But that was it!!!!!!! So now you're going to believe wt7 which is behind another building that is massive collapsed because of damage from the attack? But the one between it and the source of the attack blast is standing just fine? How much more proof do you need that it's impossible!? If you've never been to the site or visited the towers before the attack to know how this area is set up first hand Just keep your mouth shut.

asdasd · 03-10-2012, 05:23 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv...22niggardly%22

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 07:45 AM

With the clear and overwhelming evidence of drones, it was inevitable that a few eyewitnesses would corroborate the video footage of drones for both towers. Stewart, said he saw something bump into tower 1 before it exploded. That certainly wasn't a plane, because a plane would crash into it, not bump.

He says, "I'm not sure, if it was a ????? (plane). Of course it wasn't a plane, Stewy, and you gave the truth some of the best early testimony that no planes of any kind were seen for either tower because neither had wings. His subconscious gave every word, but 'plane', leaving no doubt that his conscious state prevented that last word. But, we already know those goofy french kids did not film a plane or really any identifiable object which corrorborates Stewart's verified account.

Bryant Gumbel: It's 8:52 here in New York, I'm Bryant Gumbel. We understand that there has been a plane crash on the southern tip of Manhattan. You're looking at the WTC. We understand that a plane has crashed into the WTC. We don't know anything more than that. We don't know if it was a commercial aircraft. We don't know if it was a private aircraft. We have no idea how many were on board, or what the extent of the injuries are right now. We are, uh, we have, I understand, an eyewitness on the phone right now. Sir...

[cuts to commercial briefly]

BG: ...your name?

Stewart: Yeah, my name is Stewart.

BG: Sir, where are you right now?

S: I'm working at a restaurant in Soho. (northeast of the towers)

BG: Alright, so tell us what you saw if you would?

S: I literally, I was waiting a table and I literally saw a -- it seemed to be like the small plane. I just heard a couple of noises. It looked like it bounced off the building and then I heard, uh, I saw a huge like ball of fire on top and then the smoke seemed to simmer down and it just stunned -- you know a lot of smoke was coming out and that's pretty much the extent of what I saw.

BG: A private aircraft?

S: I'm not sure, if it was a -- it just seemed like a smaller plane. I don't think it was anything commercial.

BG: Did you, could you tell us whether or not it was a prop, or a jet .

S: I honestly don't know. It happened too quickly

WTC MISSILE STRIKE ON 911: EYE WITNESS SAW "A SMALL PLANE" - YouTube

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../11/bn.01.html
Now we want to bring in Todd Harris (ph). Todd on the scene, saw what happened.

Todd, corroborates the Naudet footage, which captured a slow moving blob that dive dropped into tower 1..

Todd are you with us?

TODD HARRIS: Yes, I had a perfect view, and the plane was coming in. I noticed it a second before it hit the building. It looked like it was moving slowly, and it lined itself up to hit the building directly.

KAGAN: Are you talking about the first plane or the second plane?

HARRIS: The first plane.

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 07:47 AM

I was able capture the bogey as it peeked out and then a quick edit occurs to well after the explosion. These guys did not see a plane and were confused as to how the south tower exploded. There's little doubt they made mention of the object and that audio would've been edited out too. There are countless videos with the impact edited out because they weren't going to insert fake plane images into all of them. You can see him pan to the right when the bogey caught his eye.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NHaVi...ure=plpp_video

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 07:52 AM

CNN.com - Transcripts
This man had a north view of the towers and saw the drone coming from the west.

OK, we actually have an "Eyewitness News" reporter, Dr. J. Atlasberg (ph) who was downtown at the time and he is on the phone with us live.

Dr. J., what can you tell us?

DR. J. ATLASBERG (ph), REPORTER: Hello, Steve.

I'm actually uptown at 86th and Riverside. I can see the World Trade Center from about half the building up to the top. And about five minutes ago, as I was watching the smoke, a small plane -- I did -- it looked like a propeller plane, came in from the west. And about 20 or 25 stories below the top of the center, disappeared for a second, and then explode behind a water tower, so I couldn't tell whether it hit the building or not. But it was very visible, that a plane had come in at a low altitude and appeared to crash into the World Trade Center.

ABC News Special Report: "Planes crash into World Trade Center"

He never saw a plane like that before, because it wasn't a plane at all. He said it twice, corroborating witnesses like Burnback and Oliver who described a drone. It was identical to what hit the north tower.

Mr Arraki

"Yeah. I--I saw--yeah, I saw the second plane, it go boom. I--I heard, you know. I just wake up my head like that I saw the side, too"

Arraki claims that the plane that hit WTC2 was identical to the plane that hit WTC1. Arraki's description of the first plane is reproduced below:

"I saw it come up from the left, and I saw the plane coming through to the building, go inside, a small plane, no, no, it was plane, you know, like they teach the people to pilot plane, small plane, you know, it was that kind of plane, yes, going into the building, and I never saw that plane before. It's like something, I don't know, it's like they work with the motors, I never saw a plane like that before!"

Mark, cryptically laughs at the end of his description, further proving that he was describing the slow moving drone, and falling short of confirming that it really wasn't a plane. It's no different than Jean Hill saying she saw the secret service shooting back, but falling short of fingering the driver. Of course it didn't belong in the area because it was a drone and not the boeing 767 it was supposed to be.

Eyewitness on 9/11 Mark Burnback was able to get a good view of the plane that hit the World Trade Center, because he said that the plane was flying very low. He explained to FOX News that the plane had no windows, a blue logo, and did not look like a commercial plane.

Fox NewsCaster: "Mark Burnback, a Fox employee, is on the phone with us. Mark witnessed this... Mark were you close enough to see any markings on the airplane?"

Mark Burnback: "Hi gentlemen. Yeah there was definitely a blue, circular logo on the front of the plane towards the front. It definitely did not look like a commercial plane. I did not see any windows on the side. It was definitely very low...

"Mark, if what you say is true, those could be cargo planes or something like that. You said you did not see any windows on the side?"

Mark Burnback: "I did not see any windows on the side. I saw the plane was flying low. I was probably a block away from the sub-way in Brooklyn and that plane came down very low, and again it was not a normal flight that I have ever seen at an airport. It was a plane with a blue logo on the front and it just looked like it did not belong in this area."

https://youtube.com/watch?v=lYUs9u1YwV0

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 07:59 AM

911conspiracy.tv - 2nd WTC Attack Plane Crash Videos

The drone circled the building just as many witnesses had stated and that is corroborated by 4 live broadcasts showing the drone do just that from the north view. It's logical with so much footage being released that something from the south would show the bogey's goofy bee-bop behind the towers.

We don't get the drone here but a fake plane exacting it as it circled the Towers. It is most logical that Manos Megagiannis turned his footage over to law enforcement and got it back this way. This man clearly captured the drone coming from over west (left of screen) before circling the buildings which is exactly why that whole part was edited out by starting the fake plane just as it passes east of Tower 1.

41. Here is the story behind my videos: The distance is about 6 miles, (according to Google Earth), recorded using a Sony PC1. After I got a call from a friend of mine about the first plane, I started filming from inside my apartment. To get a bit better view I went to the roof of the building, and the moment I pointed the camera to the WTC and started recording, without even realizing it I captured the second plane hitting the tower. Actually if you see the original tape you will notice that I move the camera so I can confirm with my own eyes the explosion that I saw through the viewfinder. The rest is just very basic digital zoom (very amateurish I admit). The woman's voice, was some tenant in the same building.

The videos have NOT being edited to make the plane disappear or anything like that (as some claim). One of these days, if I find some free time I may go back to the master and re-master the video.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZG25M...ure=plpp_video

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 08:05 AM

Flight 175, officially and logically had to come from behind/south of the towers. No exceptions, no other possibilities. Over two minutes elapsed before the orb dropped from the west. They were 5 miles north of the towers and the plane never showed up, but a small, very slow moving object did. The orb circled the towers exactly the way the fake plane image did from the south view.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_caQ9...ure=plpp_video

Rochard · 03-10-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Afghanistan is an incredibly resource rich country. They also supply the bulk of opium to the world, so whoever controls the opium controls not only the most of the opium drug trade, but there is huge money to be made on it for medicinal purposes as well. The pharmaceutical companies use it like it's going out of style.

Then of course there is that tiny project called The Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline that will supply natural gas to India and Pakistan. And with Indian exploding right now in growth, this is going to be a big money maker. Paid for by.... wait for it... The Asian Development Bank, which is like an Asian version of the World Bank, with it's biggest shareholders being... wait for it... The USA and Japan, with China and India owning a stake as well.

But I doubt it would be due to either of those reasons. Probably all just a coincidence and the real reason was to hunt a handful of Taliban who live in caves and huts and herd goats when they are not plotting epic terror attacks. Which I may add they did find Osama's play book when they killed him and the biggest attack written in it was laying logs (cut down trees) across rail road tracks in the USA. Epic stuff.

Really? Ten years later, how that's working for us?

We got nothing out of Afghanistan.

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 01:09 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LIyGE...ure=plpp_video
For anyone interested in real 911 truth, watch 5:30-6:30 to see when the very tardy fake plane image showed up 24 minutes after these crazy women called a blob 'the plane'.

There is no better or literal proof that video fakery was used on 911. No plane can circle a building and crash into the back of it. Note, the jerk zoom as if to say, "we finally got something that kinda looks like a plane."

The drone travels directly west to east, while the fake image turns more left, north, which tries to improve upon the impossible wrap around the towers.

DWB · 03-10-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Really? Ten years later, how that's working for us?

We got nothing out of Afghanistan.

It's working out exactly as planned. This was a long term project that had to start by securing the areas the pipeline was going to run through, which just so happened to be smack dab in the middle of.... wait for it... Taliban territory.

Probably no coincidence that this pipeline was being discussed back in 1997 before 9-11 happened. But they had to establish peace in the country first. And they more or less did, it just took a while and is still a work in progress.

DWB · 03-10-2012, 03:25 PM

Can we please get some more gif animations of orbs?

A man can never have too many orbs.

2MuchMark · 03-10-2012, 03:52 PM

Enough with the stupid ORBS. Worse conspiracy theory ever.

wehateporn · 03-10-2012, 04:14 PM

Even if they were ORBS (which I don't believe), it wouldn't help the 'Truth' side of the debate. The Myth-Hugger's who still don't accept the controlled demolition explanation will certainly not believe in ORBS.

Whether intentional or accidental; the ORBS theory will only act as divide and conquer on the 'Truth' side. It will push those on the fence closer to the Official Story and help discredit the 911 Myth De-bunkers.

DWB · 03-10-2012, 04:18 PM

What a crazy word... orbs.

Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs.

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Even if they were ORBS (which I don't believe), it wouldn't help the 'Truth' side of the debate. The Myth-Hugger's who still don't accept the controlled demolition explanation will certainly not believe in ORBS.

Whether intentional or accidental; the ORBS theory will only act as divide and conquer on the 'Truth' side. It will push those on the fence closer to the Official Story and help discredit the 911 Myth De-bunkers.

You want to convince people who believe in 911 myths, why? The average person would believe, absolutely, that weird objects were used instead of planes because that is what was filmed for both towers.

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 04:22 PM

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What a crazy word... orbs.

Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs.

Drone, blob, orb, ufo, whatever. It wasn't a plane and that is evident to the naked eye.

wehateporn · 03-10-2012, 04:27 PM

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You want to convince people who believe in 911 myths, why? The average person would believe, absolutely, that weird objects were used instead of planes because that is what was filmed for both towers.

The most important thing is that people find out it was an inside job, the Orb theory will ensure this never happens whether you're right about them or not.

We have to focus on the highest priority and not get divided with a small detail

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 04:34 PM

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The most important thing is that people find out it was an inside job, the Orb theory will ensure that never happens, whether you're right about them or not.

We have to focus on the highest priority and not get divided with a small detail

How could I be wrong about something that aired clearly in 4 broadcasts? What you are saying is false. The only people who matter are the ones who don't know that planes are in serious doubt for all three crashes that were supposed to impact buildings. People believe what they can see and if that can be corroborated by eyewitnesses, then even better, because 911 has a lot of fake video and photographic evidence.

porno jew · 03-10-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RRACY

How could I be wrong about something that aired clearly in 4 broadcasts? What you are saying is false. The only people who matter are the ones who don't know that planes are in serious doubt for all three crashes that were supposed to impact buildings. People believe what they can see and if that can be corroborated by eyewitnesses, then even better, because 911 has a lot of fake video and photographic evidence.

divide and conquer is a typical tactic of undercover in the agents in the movement. keep that in mind.

wehateporn · 03-10-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RRACY

How could I be wrong about something that aired clearly in 4 broadcasts? What you are saying is false. The only people who matter are the ones who don't know that planes are in serious doubt for all three crashes that were supposed to impact buildings. People believe what they can see and if that can be corroborated by eyewitnesses, then even better, because 911 has a lot of fake video and photographic evidence.

There are some things which for now the masses will find too difficult to believe, it's better to focus on the battles that we have a chance of winning. Maybe you know something that nobody else here does, but the priority is to focus on the best tactics for making people realize that they've been lied to. Either way, debating Orbs is counter-productive.

wehateporn · 03-10-2012, 04:50 PM

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divide and conquer is a typical tactic of undercover in the agents in the movement. keep that in mind.

Talking to yourself now PJ

Make sure you're always logged in as the correct user

RRACY · 03-10-2012, 05:16 PM

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divide and conquer is a typical tactic of undercover in the agents in the movement. keep that in mind.

I suppose, and that's the very reason why the dreaded drone has been avoided for ten years, because it's simple and factual. Making fun of facts does not change those facts. I'm not a no-planer, but point to something that showed up, but wasn't flight 175. Those who claim nothing hit the towers are these agents you speak of. Conspiracy theorists and the so-called truthers are government moles.

Rochard · 03-10-2012, 07:13 PM

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It's working out exactly as planned. This was a long term project that had to start by securing the areas the pipeline was going to run through, which just so happened to be smack dab in the middle of.... wait for it... Taliban territory.

Probably no coincidence that this pipeline was being discussed back in 1997 before 9-11 happened. But they had to establish peace in the country first. And they more or less did, it just took a while and is still a work in progress.

So they discussed it in 1997... But they needed to establish peace in Afghanistan? So what your saying is it took them exactly fifteen years and three thousand American lives and they still have.... Nothing? A plan to build a pipeline? Someday?

That might just be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Are you saying the American government wanted to get oil from a "potential pipeline" that "might be built". Oil from Turkmenistan? That goes to Pakistan? Yeah, that's exactly what happened. The United States government wanted a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan so we could ship the oil half way around the world so we could decrease our dependency on Canadian oil. LOL.

MediaGuy · 03-11-2012, 11:30 AM

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So they discussed it in 1997... But they needed to establish peace in Afghanistan? So what your saying is it took them exactly fifteen years and three thousand American lives and they still have.... Nothing? A plan to build a pipeline? Someday?

That might just be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Are you saying the American government wanted to get oil from a "potential pipeline" that "might be built". Oil from Turkmenistan? That goes to Pakistan? Yeah, that's exactly what happened. The United States government wanted a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan so we could ship the oil half way around the world so we could decrease our dependency on Canadian oil. LOL.

The pipeline seems a potential argument/motive for seizing Afghanistan the way it has, but as a subterfuge it's only partially likely. This is all speculative though. Who knows why these big "grand chess board" moves are really being made.

The ostensible reason for the invasion was booting once-friendly Talibans, the excuse seems to have been because the US wanted them to hand over Ben Laden.

When the Taliban said OK, please provide the evidence (or the White Paper Colin Powell said would be produced shortly), the US told them to stuff it.

There are so many theories. Under the Taliban, heroin production was reduced to a trickle from Afghanistan. Since then, it has re-exploded thanks to western removal of the Taliban. It's known the CIA uses funds from cocaine and heroin traffic to finance officially unfinanceable "black ops". So is that the reason?

My half-baked not-too-aware idea of the matter is that Afghanistan is a lynch-pin country, the first where the US could extend their military presence. They have more military bases in Afghanistan now (and permanent ones) than they have in the US.

Afghanistan sits between all the important countries in the area, Pakistan, Iran, all the "stans" (Uzbekistan and I don't remember which ones) - it's a hub and launch point for all kinds of potential (maybe actual) planned military and other strategic political and socially directed anti-regime operations.

So regardless of the theory, it's probably applicable at one point. The pipeline won't be laid until there's definite stability in the area, so it's back-burnered for now for sure.

If there was a motive for 9/11 as an "inside job" it was as the neo-coms said: to instigate American Hegemony and military presence in countries where the governments weren't already puppets, and to establish the US as the primary authoritarian body on the planet.

Also, the peak-oil theory stands up pretty well, especially now with all the "Arab Springs" springing up, where, like in Syria for example, the US has actually backed and/or teamed up with so-called "Al Qaeda" members and outfits to back the anti-regime insurgents.

The most credible umbrella-theory, if you want to call it that, is the War On Terror.

The jets are a dramatic image, use long-standing cold-war imagery and fear to establish a "terrorist" act, much more strongly than the buildings mysteriously exploding and then somehow having government agencies discovering in all the rubble that some suicide bombers had set themselves off.

That would have been probably even less believable than the current story.

As it stands, the story is graphic, dramatic, and undeniable: somebody flew those planes into the buildings.

And even though most if not all investigations into Ben Laden and Al Qaeda had been shut down or outright denied, they were able to declare within 24hrs (and much less actually) the presence of 19 undocumented and un-investigated hijackers in the employ of Ben Laden were somehow on the planes, and somehow took over multiple cockpits without causing alarms, and then pilot the things into landmarks and symbols...

And think of all the other changes the War on Terror has wrought: restraints on individual liberties, removal of personal privacy, military presence in daily life, militarization of police forces themselves, on and on... I mean they don't announce them that way in the news, but taken all together, it's basically an ongoing re-structuring of American society, and other countries by extension...

DWB · 03-11-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So they discussed it in 1997... But they needed to establish peace in Afghanistan? So what your saying is it took them exactly fifteen years and three thousand American lives and they still have.... Nothing? A plan to build a pipeline? Someday?

That might just be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Are you saying the American government wanted to get oil from a "potential pipeline" that "might be built". Oil from Turkmenistan? That goes to Pakistan? Yeah, that's exactly what happened. The United States government wanted a pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan so we could ship the oil half way around the world so we could decrease our dependency on Canadian oil. LOL.

Let me start by saying that it took 15 years just for all nations just to agree to the pipeline in the first place. So the amount of time the USA has been there with boots on the ground is irrelevant. Things obviously move at a much slower pace in that region of the world. Construction was supposed to begin this year. Who knows if it will because of security issues over there, but that was the date I last read on it.

There is a trillion dollars in the ground to be mined (they have some of the largest untapped mines in the entire world). There are billions of dollars to be made selling oil to India and Pakistan though the pipeline. The USA has a stake in the bank that is financing it, the USA has a stake in the company building it, the USA has a stake in the mining, and none of it will happen until there is no threat to destroy these projects there and they have in infrastructure there to make it all happen. I doubt they counted on it taking so long but the fact that we're still there should clue you in that they are willing to go the distance on it. And when I say the "USA" I mean large American companies.

It's not rocket science. Just simple facts that it is clearly a long term investment. And would they spend 15 years and 1000s of American lives to do it, the answer is a big loud yes. They would waste 10,000 American lives if they had to. Soldiers are expendable. Resources are finite.

There is a ton of information about this out there. All factual. The only big "if" or "when" is due to security which seems to be getting worse, not better.

Rochard · 03-11-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

Let me start by saying that it took 15 years just for all nations just to agree to the pipeline in the first place. So the amount of time the USA has been there with boots on the ground is irrelevant. Things obviously move at a much slower pace in that region of the world. Construction was supposed to begin this year. Who knows if it will because of security issues over there, but that was the date I last read on it.

There is a trillion dollars in the ground to be mined (they have some of the largest untapped mines in the entire world). There are billions of dollars to be made selling oil to India and Pakistan though the pipeline. The USA has a stake in the bank that is financing it, the USA has a stake in the company building it, the USA has a stake in the mining, and none of it will happen until there is no threat to destroy these projects there and they have in infrastructure there to make it all happen. I doubt they counted on it taking so long but the fact that we're still there should clue you in that they are willing to go the distance on it.

It's not rocket science. Just simple facts that it is clearly a long term investment. And would they spend 15 years and 1000s of American lives to do it, the answer is a big loud yes. They would waste 10,000 American lives if they had to. Soldiers are expendable. Resources are finite.

There is a ton of information about this out there. All factual. The only big "if" or "when" is due to security which seems to be getting worse, not better.

I'm confused. Is it the US government who destroyed the towers, or a bank?

Do you honestly believe anyone did this as a "long term investment"? For a pipeline? Do you know how many pipelines there are in the middle east? The pipeline your talking about potentially will carry from Turkmenistan, through Afghanistan, to Pakistan. Are you are aware that there is a pipeline from Turkmenistan, under the Caspian sea, and out through Turkey?

Well, 9/11 has come and gone, the pipeline still hasn't been built, and security in the area isn't close to being safe enough for a this pipeline to be built. In the mean time, they already have a pipeline.

They would have had a much better chance of building this pipeline if we had never invaded Afghanistan.

porno jew · 03-11-2012, 01:05 PM

there are many geopolitical, military and energy reasons why the US would want a footprint in afghanistan.

was 9/11 exploited for this purpose? yes. that is the real conspiracy and crime. has nothing to do with orbs and controlled demolitions.

by promoting all these stupid 9/11 conspiracy theories you have voluntarily put yourself in a free speech zone to be corralled off from mainstream discourse and neutralized.

ever crossed your mind why all the leaders of the 9/11 conspiracy movement are ex cops, spooks, cia, fbi, military, from mind control cults or heavily compromised individuals with criminal pasts?

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03-09-2012, 08:25 PM	#664
Ann-Angelcom Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new york Posts: 500	Most people who were directly Affected by 9-11 do not have answers only questions. That is why the conspiracy even exists. There are too many loop holes in the govt explanation of what happened that day. Too many things that any logical thinking human being would question yet no one provides the truth. Had there been a proper investigation there would be no questions. But they lied and hid facts. Why? Ask yourself that? Some people say why would they use planes then. Why not just blow it up? Well that's pretty obvious too. To make people not question it! Duh of course they fell...a plane flew into them! Most simple people would say therefore taking away credibility from truthers. Am I an expert? A scientist? No. But because I was directly affected by the disaster I was forced to pay attention to detail. Unlike some of you who refuse to do so simply because you don't care enough to learn. Yet you continue tO come here and post some bs about shit you learned from fox or a friend. You weren't watching and hanging on every word of the news anchors that day as you waited for your loved one to come home. You saw the news while it was on tv while you were masturbating and posting stupid shit on gfy. You never even bothered to revisit it. Never bothered to read more or learn more. To you it was a distant day 10 years ago in a distant place. A movie. So if you have no answers to the questions posted here. Other than trying to make people out to be crazy because they are asking questions. Do me a favor and gfy. You have no right and you're offensive to those of us who lost loved ones. You're an ignorant joke. And stop pretending you do have the answer because if the families who lost loved ones don't have answers still you sure as hell don't. __________________ Digitalangeldollars.com 10% on all referrals!! NOW PAYING 75% OF ALL SALES!!!

03-09-2012, 09:22 PM	#668
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03-10-2012, 02:30 AM	#672
Ann-Angelcom Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new york Posts: 500	Just about to give up on this one. Seems like some people are just never going to admit anything other than their own belief. This conversation is much like trying to tell someone Jesus is a myth. You can give them the science of why it was impossible for him to walk on water but people will still believe it. This very much stems from ignorance and the inability to think from a to z instead of from a to b. I never said a truther has answers. Matter of fact they don't. That have questions! Why? Why? Why? They never for one second say this is why. They say why?? Why did the building fall at free fall. Why did 7 collapse? Why did Silverstein know it and decide it would come down? Why?????? The only people with answers here are the arrogant bozos against the truther movement. Duh "pancake". Duh "pentagon plane was shown on camera". Only it wasn't. The stupid answers have left questions for people who lost friends and family that will never be answered. Shame on anyone who defends that. But the point is let people ask questions. Hell you should ask too. But don't talk down to people who do just because you believe Santa Claus exists. Like I said you're doing a disservice to the Heroes and victims of that day. And you're an insult to them as well. Pornojew. Yes you're right. Exactly. Just do me a favor and don't say that to anyone else who lost people there. Continue living in your bubble and that's fine. Just don't make ignorant statements like that in public. It's insulting to people who care much more about this than you do and have already investigated this much more than you ever well only leading to dead ends and more questions. __________________ Digitalangeldollars.com 10% on all referrals!! NOW PAYING 75% OF ALL SALES!!!

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Ann-Angelcom Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: new york Posts: 500	Can I just point out again the simple fact of wtc7 falling and the govt saying it sustained so much damage it fell? Forget the fact that the news anchors and even the owner of the site Silverstein all said it was planned. Just look at that map again and use common sense. You see the buildings that are almost attached to the twin towers that's how close they are? They are all fine today and standing. Not only that but had you visited the site a short time after the attack you would know that those buildings also did not look bad at all!!! The windows and faces that were directly facing the twin towers were all blown out. But that was it!!!!!!! So now you're going to believe wt7 which is behind another building that is massive collapsed because of damage from the attack? But the one between it and the source of the attack blast is standing just fine? How much more proof do you need that it's impossible!? If you've never been to the site or visited the towers before the attack to know how this area is set up first hand Just keep your mouth shut. __________________ Digitalangeldollars.com 10% on all referrals!! NOW PAYING 75% OF ALL SALES!!!

03-10-2012, 05:23 AM	#675
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03-10-2012, 07:45 AM	#676
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	With the clear and overwhelming evidence of drones, it was inevitable that a few eyewitnesses would corroborate the video footage of drones for both towers. Stewart, said he saw something bump into tower 1 before it exploded. That certainly wasn't a plane, because a plane would crash into it, not bump. He says, "I'm not sure, if it was a ????? (plane). Of course it wasn't a plane, Stewy, and you gave the truth some of the best early testimony that no planes of any kind were seen for either tower because neither had wings. His subconscious gave every word, but 'plane', leaving no doubt that his conscious state prevented that last word. But, we already know those goofy french kids did not film a plane or really any identifiable object which corrorborates Stewart's verified account. Bryant Gumbel: It's 8:52 here in New York, I'm Bryant Gumbel. We understand that there has been a plane crash on the southern tip of Manhattan. You're looking at the WTC. We understand that a plane has crashed into the WTC. We don't know anything more than that. We don't know if it was a commercial aircraft. We don't know if it was a private aircraft. We have no idea how many were on board, or what the extent of the injuries are right now. We are, uh, we have, I understand, an eyewitness on the phone right now. Sir... [cuts to commercial briefly] BG: ...your name? Stewart: Yeah, my name is Stewart. BG: Sir, where are you right now? S: I'm working at a restaurant in Soho. (northeast of the towers) BG: Alright, so tell us what you saw if you would? S: I literally, I was waiting a table and I literally saw a -- it seemed to be like the small plane. I just heard a couple of noises. It looked like it bounced off the building and then I heard, uh, I saw a huge like ball of fire on top and then the smoke seemed to simmer down and it just stunned -- you know a lot of smoke was coming out and that's pretty much the extent of what I saw. BG: A private aircraft? S: I'm not sure, if it was a -- it just seemed like a smaller plane. I don't think it was anything commercial. BG: Did you, could you tell us whether or not it was a prop, or a jet . S: I honestly don't know. It happened too quickly WTC MISSILE STRIKE ON 911: EYE WITNESS SAW "A SMALL PLANE" - YouTube http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../11/bn.01.html Now we want to bring in Todd Harris (ph). Todd on the scene, saw what happened. Todd, corroborates the Naudet footage, which captured a slow moving blob that dive dropped into tower 1.. Todd are you with us? TODD HARRIS: Yes, I had a perfect view, and the plane was coming in. I noticed it a second before it hit the building. It looked like it was moving slowly, and it lined itself up to hit the building directly. KAGAN: Are you talking about the first plane or the second plane? HARRIS: The first plane. __________________ Sig Free

03-10-2012, 07:47 AM	#677
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	I was able capture the bogey as it peeked out and then a quick edit occurs to well after the explosion. These guys did not see a plane and were confused as to how the south tower exploded. There's little doubt they made mention of the object and that audio would've been edited out too. There are countless videos with the impact edited out because they weren't going to insert fake plane images into all of them. You can see him pan to the right when the bogey caught his eye. https://youtube.com/watch?v=NHaVi...ure=plpp_video __________________ Sig Free

03-10-2012, 07:52 AM	#678
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	CNN.com - Transcripts This man had a north view of the towers and saw the drone coming from the west. OK, we actually have an "Eyewitness News" reporter, Dr. J. Atlasberg (ph) who was downtown at the time and he is on the phone with us live. Dr. J., what can you tell us? DR. J. ATLASBERG (ph), REPORTER: Hello, Steve. I'm actually uptown at 86th and Riverside. I can see the World Trade Center from about half the building up to the top. And about five minutes ago, as I was watching the smoke, *a small plane -- I did -- it looked like a propeller plane, came in from the west. And about 20 or 25 stories below the top of the center, disappeared for a second, and then explode behind a water tower, so I couldn't tell whether it hit the building or not. But it was very visible, that a plane had come in at a low altitude and appeared to crash into the World Trade Center. ABC News Special Report: "Planes crash into World Trade Center" He never saw a plane like that before, because it wasn't a plane at all. He said it twice, corroborating witnesses like Burnback and Oliver who described a drone. It was identical to what hit the north tower. Mr Arraki "Yeah. I--I saw--yeah, I saw the second plane, it go boom. I--I heard, you know. I just wake up my head like that I saw the side, too" Arraki claims that the plane that hit WTC2 was identical to the plane that hit WTC1. Arraki's description of the first plane is reproduced below: "I saw it come up from the left, and I saw the plane coming through to the building, go inside, a small plane, no, no, it was plane, you know, like they teach the people to pilot plane, small plane, you know, it was that kind of plane, yes, going into the building, and I never saw that plane before. It's like something, I don't know, it's like they work with the motors, I never saw a plane like that before!" Mark, cryptically laughs at the end of his description, further proving that he was describing the slow moving drone, and falling short of confirming that it really wasn't a plane. It's no different than Jean Hill saying she saw the secret service shooting back, but falling short of fingering the driver. Of course it didn't belong in the area because it was a drone and not the boeing 767 it was supposed to be. Eyewitness on 9/11 Mark Burnback was able to get a good view of the plane that hit the World Trade Center, because he said that the plane was flying very low. He explained to FOX News that the plane* had no windows, a blue logo, and did not look like a commercial plane. Fox NewsCaster: "Mark Burnback, a Fox employee, is on the phone with us. Mark witnessed this... Mark were you close enough to see any markings on the airplane?" Mark Burnback: "Hi gentlemen. Yeah there was definitely a blue, circular logo on the front of the plane towards the front. It definitely did not look like a commercial plane. I did not see any windows on the side. It was definitely very low... "Mark, if what you say is true, those could be cargo planes or something like that. You said you did not see any windows on the side?" Mark Burnback: "I did not see any windows on the side. I saw the plane was flying low. I was probably a block away from the sub-way in Brooklyn and that plane came down very low, and again it was not a normal flight that I have ever seen at an airport. It was a plane with a blue logo on the front and *it just looked like it did not belong in this area." https://youtube.com/watch?v=lYUs9u1YwV0 __________________ Sig Free Last edited by RRACY; 03-10-2012 at 07:58 AM..*

03-10-2012, 07:59 AM	#679
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	911conspiracy.tv - 2nd WTC Attack Plane Crash Videos The drone circled the building just as many witnesses had stated and that is corroborated by 4 live broadcasts showing the drone do just that from the north view. It's logical with so much footage being released that something from the south would show the bogey's goofy bee-bop behind the towers. We don't get the drone here but a fake plane exacting it as it circled the Towers. It is most logical that Manos Megagiannis turned his footage over to law enforcement and got it back this way. This man clearly captured the drone coming from over west (left of screen) before circling the buildings which is exactly why that whole part was edited out by starting the fake plane just as it passes east of Tower 1. 41. Here is the story behind my videos: The distance is about 6 miles, (according to Google Earth), recorded using a Sony PC1. After I got a call from a friend of mine about the first plane, I started filming from inside my apartment. To get a bit better view I went to the roof of the building, and the moment I pointed the camera to the WTC and started recording, without even realizing it I captured the second plane hitting the tower. Actually if you see the original tape you will notice that I move the camera so I can confirm with my own eyes the explosion that I saw through the viewfinder. The rest is just very basic digital zoom (very amateurish I admit). The woman's voice, was some tenant in the same building. The videos have NOT being edited to make the plane disappear or anything like that (as some claim). One of these days, if I find some free time I may go back to the master and re-master the video. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZG25M...ure=plpp_video __________________ Sig Free

03-10-2012, 08:05 AM	#680
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	Flight 175, officially and logically had to come from behind/south of the towers. No exceptions, no other possibilities. Over two minutes elapsed before the orb dropped from the west. They were 5 miles north of the towers and the plane never showed up, but a small, very slow moving object did. The orb circled the towers exactly the way the fake plane image did from the south view. https://youtube.com/watch?v=_caQ9...ure=plpp_video __________________ Sig Free

03-10-2012, 01:09 PM	#682
RRACY Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,393	https://youtube.com/watch?v=LIyGE...ure=plpp_video For anyone interested in real 911 truth, watch 5:30-6:30 to see when the very tardy fake plane image showed up 24 minutes after these crazy women called a blob 'the plane'. There is no better or literal proof that video fakery was used on 911. No plane can circle a building and crash into the back of it. Note, the jerk zoom as if to say, "we finally got something that kinda looks like a plane." The drone travels directly west to east, while the fake image turns more left, north, which tries to improve upon the impossible wrap around the towers. __________________ Sig Free Last edited by RRACY; 03-10-2012 at 01:13 PM..

03-10-2012, 03:25 PM	#684
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03-10-2012, 03:52 PM	#685
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 45,831	Enough with the stupid ORBS. Worse conspiracy theory ever. __________________ VideoChat Solutions \| Custom Software \| IT Support https://www.2much.net \| https://www.lcntech.com

03-10-2012, 04:14 PM	#686
wehateporn Promoting Debate on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 27,172	Even if they were ORBS (which I don't believe), it wouldn't help the 'Truth' side of the debate. The Myth-Hugger's who still don't accept the controlled demolition explanation will certainly not believe in ORBS. Whether intentional or accidental; the ORBS theory will only act as divide and conquer on the 'Truth' side. It will push those on the fence closer to the Official Story and help discredit the 911 Myth De-bunkers. __________________ Sexy Girls Teasing Last edited by wehateporn; 03-10-2012 at 04:15 PM..

03-10-2012, 04:18 PM	#687
DWB Giggity Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: S.E. Asia Posts: 31,779	What a crazy word... orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs. Orbs.

03-11-2012, 01:05 PM	#700
porno jew Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,166	there are many geopolitical, military and energy reasons why the US would want a footprint in afghanistan. was 9/11 exploited for this purpose? yes. that is the real conspiracy and crime. has nothing to do with orbs and controlled demolitions. by promoting all these stupid 9/11 conspiracy theories you have voluntarily put yourself in a free speech zone to be corralled off from mainstream discourse and neutralized. ever crossed your mind why all the leaders of the 9/11 conspiracy movement are ex cops, spooks, cia, fbi, military, from mind control cults or heavily compromised individuals with criminal pasts?