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![]() This is a non-partisan article. It evenly blames BOTH sides...
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/a...owly-wiped-out |
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there is so much of that article I wanted to copy and paste here but this is what I find the most profound and real
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God I know! It also seems that it is great entertainment for people who have no clue about the issues to rant, chant and tote signs
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And thats why there is self proclaimed Tea Party people trying to put in "regular people" instead of "career criminals"
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The Tea Party was an interesting idea, until it was taken over by the corporations. It is now AT LEAST as corrupt as the 2 party system it was designed to rail against.
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Because the Dems are the lesser of the 2 evils. Not by much, but enough to make a difference.
Overall the D's help the lower and middle classes more than the R's. The D's are mostly bought and paid for too, no doubt, but the R's are united against the lower and middle class, which is more destructive overall. Ask yourselves, who is funding the Tea Party and the GOP right now? When the largest and most corrupt corporations are shoveling BILLIONS of dollars into anti-Obama propaganda, then I will happily stick with Obama. Clearly he is upsetting the status quo enough, that they are fearful he truly intends to make changes, which they do not want. If the American people were not so easily manipulated, they would understand this fact as well, but sadly they are, so for some reason, the very corporations that DO NOT HELP YOU, and WHO SHIP YOUR JOBS OVERSEAS, and WHO ARE DISMANTLING YOUR MIDDLE CLASS, have convinced many to vote against their own interests again, and in their favor of the wholly owned GOP again in November. Both sides are bad, but one side is 100% evil, and the American people are too busy worrying what Snookie is doing, to understand what is really happening to them. |
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I think most of them are nuts and too extreme, but I do think it's good to have something new every now and then shaking things up. I don't think it would be terrible having a few get elected, maybe make the D and R do something good for a change instead of building bridges to nowhere and namesake highways.
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Didn't realize how good I had it...
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So this is what happens in a two party system...it's "dumbed down".
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You are nothing but a sheeple, carry on with your fake outrage against poverty and the two party system because people like you ARE why the two party system works. |
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YUP, that right there is what it all boils down to.
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Too extreme? See thats another picture the "media" paints, there is one "extreme" self proclaimed tea party person on TV, I can find hundreds of extreme Democrats and Republicans. Most tea party people are older white folks, what is extreme about Grandpa in his lawn chair bitching about government? Dont fall for the negative hype.
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And people like you are the reason, why dont you fucking vote for an independent this election? I know you wont, I know you are in the Democrats pocket, they have trained you well.
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The Tea Party is not out to find a common ground. It promotes fringe members who are way to the right of the right. This is designed to make sure that the 2 sides do not agree to anything in the future. If the D's cannot find common ground with center right politicians now, how do you think these new hires will play out in the future? Can you name a few left of left Tea Party candidates? Think about it. If it was truly an angry American movement, would it not be more balanced? The movement is corporate funded, as a last-ditch effort to derail progress. We are being played. Wake the fuck up! |
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The Democrats were right. The American people did speak, they hated the Republicans. Now it's happening again. You can't use the argument one year and not expect it to come back on you the next. That's what's happening. Senior level aides are now even admitting that they overtouted the wins in 2008 and may have overplayed their hand. The country (and even the world) may swerve right just a bit for awhile, but this isn't a referendum of the American people turning Republican. It's a whole bunch of pissed off people that don't know what else to do, just like it was two years ago. If you jump left fast, there is going to be another big jump right fast. The two of them fighting back and forth will find some sort of balance. At least that's how it was designed...
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These statistics don't surprise me.
What I thought the statistics would be is close to what they actually are.
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I have been disgusted by the Dems over the past year, I mean truly sickened by them. The Repubs I can actually understand, I disagree with them on just about every issue. I can honestly only think of one or maybe two that I agree with them on. My outrage against poverty is most definitely not fake, it is real and it burns hot as hell in my soul. That does not mean that I support a 2 party system. The fact is that what we have is a 2 party system. period. the dream of an independent party is just that, a dream. They will never get the financial backing that Repubs and Dems get...ever. And if they did, guess what, as soon as they went up for re-election they'd be just as corrupted as the stool samples that have been sitting in the House and Senate for multiple terms. The only way to actually address corruption and harmful influence in our system is vigorous and comprehensive campaign finance reform |
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Your last statement makes no sense, derail "what" progress? Social progress? |
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So how does a democratic lead senate and house and democratic president help the lower class people? In California, they can't get help with day care so they can go to their jobs right now. You think that the democrats wrote the healthcare bill? It was written by big business and got the democratic stamp of approval, you think they even read it before signing it, all 2300 pages? Funding the Tea Party? They have no power but the vote Funding the GOP? They have no real power. The democrats have been in power and control of the house and senate for 4 years, when did everything go to shit? During that 4 years, when did everything start to improve? It's pretty lame to blame the Tea Party, when they aren't a party at all, or blame the GOP for doing what they can to keep the democrats from fucking things up even more than they already have. You want to blame jobs going over seas? Blame NAFTA, signed by a democratic president, even Hilary said during her campaign it was time to rewrite it. We need a balance of power, having all one side doesn't work and have a group like the Tea Party keeping tabs on conservative principals will help with the economy. If the economy is doing better, then EVERYONE is doing better, what we have now is a joke
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Remind me again, why the GOP should be voted back in power? Remind me again, of their "better plan" to help us out of the mess we're in? They simply tell you Obama is bad - Obama is to blame - healthcare is not necessary - the rich need tax breaks - corporations do not need regulations, etc. There is no change at all, and yet, we are asked to vote them back in... because OBAMA caused the problems we are in?! PLEEEEASE! |
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what was managed to be passed was so watered down and weak it made no difference at all and even now the republicans are vowing to defund shit that was passed as soon as they get into power. The belief that the democrats managed to accomplish anything is a lie both parties are telling to push their own political agendas. The Rs want to say he did this and did that and its killing the economy and the Ds are saying we did this and we did that so they look more effectual then they ever were |
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If you are truly an intelligent, open-minded person, please read this article, and then come back and discuss how the Tea Party is not wholly funded by Obama hating corporations...
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You surely don't want a Republican president, Senate, and House to have full control over writing bills, do you? The Democrats are right. They pushed a lot of legislation through, fast. Landmark legislation at that. Is it exactly what they wanted? Of course not, but again, that's how the system was designed. Their problem is their message. They campaigned and pushed and shoved for this legislation and nobody even understands what it is. It's amazing to me that they created such a focused message during the campaign, but cannot create any sort of message saying what they did or didn't do.
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![]() ![]() Absolutely wanna know why? The Supreme Court ruled that corporations have the same rights as individuals when it comes to campaign contributions. in short, we lost and it will be at least another 25 years before the court can be shifted more towards the center. |
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That's hardly "open-minded." If you can't accept that it's obviously going to have a slant, you need to work on your own "open-mindedness." The opinion piece could be 100% correct. Just don't say that's what open-minded people read.
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If I quote an opinion piece from the Wall Street Journal as a great article of facts that any open-minded person should read and understand... what's your reply?
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LOL and then you label me unfair and unbalanced?
I have liberals and conservative nuts arguing with me in the same thread. Am I really that unbalanced?
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it is my opinion that because of that ruling the Court has protected the status quo for at least the next quarter of a century unless some massively drastic change occurs and I dont see that happening, I mean a huge peoples movement that would put enough votes in the House and Senate that could actually write and pass a Constitutional Amendment that would take down that ruling. I do not have a glimmer of a hope of that ever taking place and most especially in the current political climate where it appears to be fun for one side to berate the other and not even pretend to be willing to compromise... and I do not care which side is doing the berating and being uncompromising, they are voted in to work for us and right now, they are not |
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Translation 2: I am too lazy to bother reading a one page article. Translation 3: I am not intelligent enough to acknowledge what is actually going on. Please tell us which 3rd party candidate you will be voting for, oh wise one, since you are so capable of making grandiose political changes in the current system. |
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1. Even tho he is a "Republican" I dont believe he is a criminal. The Democrats have NO ONE that even compares to this man. 2. He and I share a majority of the same views and stances on issues. 3. My vote would not be "wasted" on an unknown because I believe Mr. Paul has SOME backing and I hope by 2012 he has enough, but I doubt it. 4. Because its my fucking vote, I wont vote for a criminal PERIOD. |
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I've always thought Sly was a little unbalanced, but I don't think I mean it in the same way you do.
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