A bit of a correction. They were able to turn YOU into a corporation in 1921 but not able to enforce the laws > "statutes" and/or "public policy" on YOU until 1938.

I'm aware of the ways in which our political models overlap.

I think tho, that if you think the corporations which control your parties will let you do anything about it if you get romney or beck/palin or whomever elected (which I hope you do, because the democrats must be punished for their betrayal), then you are just as deluded as the people who still believe in obama.

you seem entirely uncritical and unanalytical of the clearly false picture you tend to paint, which is that this debt is somehow all or mostly obama's fault, or the dems fault, or liberals fault.

we ALL did this, and arguably the republicans piled on more debt than the democrats. certainly the republicans had the majority during most of the last 30 years.

if you want, we can try to calculate that out. a quick search hasn't yet given me an authoritative source, but the chart in the wiki might be a place to start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...c_debt#History

however, I dont really care if your kind are deluded about causes and solutions - it fits my purposes to use your kind of "willingness to speak and reason falsely" to remove the incumbent dems, to use the outrage and depression that's coming to kick them all out.

you guys dealing with your corrupt politicians is your problem.

See if you can find one post ANYWHERE where I have ever said that I gave a flying shit about Beck or Palin. The fact is I can't stand their asses. They are the Republican infiltrators that I mentioned before. They are just as much of a fraud as Obama.

As far as the debt is concerned. I know exactly how it was created. It was created via the corporation racking up deficits+interest since the bankruptcy that was caused by design via the 20 year Federal Reserve Charter.

I never agreed to be a part of this fraud/scam. Just like I told the last judge I was before.. SHOW ME THE CONTRACT

saying "beck/palin" is black humor. I can't say that I have seen you mention either in recent memory. they are however clearly icons of the tea party and have a huge influence over the tea-publicans.

it would not surpise me a bit if they were both seriously proposed as nominees, but the corporations that control the republicans will probably allow the republicans romney or a romney clone.

as for the sovereignity arguments, while I am sympathetic to them, and even allow there may actually be a case to be pressed, the simple facts are the courts and police have been and will be crushing sovereigns with steady regularity.

and the republicans laugh at sovereigns, and use them as expendable crazies. just like they think they are using the tea "party".

i hope the baggers are like poison in republican guts.

Well I guess it's a good thing I live where I do. Kindof hard to argue against sovereignty when your STATE recognizes itself as such legislatively even though it is nothing more than a legal fiction which was left unchallenged. If the STATE is going to legally claim that I am not sovereign then it leaves it's sovereignty open to attack.