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  • billywatson
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    • Aug 2002
    • 3281
    #1

    PhotoGregg (pirate) and Clips4Sale (bravo!)

    PhotoGregg is a pirate, and he's been caught -- red handed.

    His hand job stores over at Clips 4 Sale (stores #8196 and 4179) contain many of the handjobs I own and which appear at Manojob.com. I haven't even gotten through all of his "stores", but I'm prepping myself for the worst.

    I would like to thank Clips 4 Sale with their immediate action to demand 2257 information from PhotoGregg for ALL of this content, and, when that isn't provided, that his stores be closed immediately.

    It's tough enough with Tubes and file sharing sites...to have producers stealing content and re-rendering movies to remove watermarks is enough to make me wanna start filing lawsuits.

    Again, a big thank you to Tom at Clips 4 Sale for his immediate attention to this very serious matter.

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    • KillerK
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      • May 2008
      • 3406
      #2
      Wonder why he'd do this, times must be hard for him.

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        • Agent 488
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          • Feb 2006
          • 22511
          #3
          very serious allegations.

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            • billywatson
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              • Aug 2002
              • 3281
              #4
              I'd also like to follow up and say it was really great to have a direct phone number for Clips 4 Sale, and to have a voice answer it on the first ring, and to immediately start dealing with this issue; it shows how seriously Clips 4 Sale is about dealing with content thieves.

              Fabulous Cash has never licensed, allowed a sales agent to act on our behalf, nor sold our content.

              Thanks again Clips 4 Sale. You guys rock!

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                • Machete_
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                  • Oct 2002
                  • 14579
                  #5
                  lets see some proof

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                    • TheDA
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                      • May 2006
                      • 4665
                      #6
                      SO is everything in his stores 'your stuff' or does he have other stuff too?
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                        • Agent 488
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                          • Feb 2006
                          • 22511
                          #7
                          extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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                            • billywatson
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                              • Aug 2002
                              • 3281
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Machete_
                              lets see some proof
                              I was waiting for someone to call me out. Didn't think it would happen so fast.

                              (I've offered Tom at Clips 4 Sale a PW for my site, by the way.)

                              But here's one of PhotoGregg's stores:

                              http://www.clips4sale.com/store/8196

                              and if you look at page 260 (make sure you're at 20 clips per page) you'll see that *entire page* is all Manojob.com

                              I'll just list one, cause there's so many, and I'm done wasting my time.

                              "Hand Job Barbie" is listed for sale, and here's my FHG of the content.

                              That's as far as I'll go. I've got releases and full 2257, which I won't post here, but if I have to, I'll provide for Clips 4 Sale. But it's cool that C4S is putting the burden of proof on PhotoGregg.

                              At least for now.

                              Oh -- content producers might want to scan his stores...I'm willing to bet I wasn't the only target.
                              Last edited by billywatson; 02-07-2011, 01:17 PM.

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                                • billywatson
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                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 3281
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by TheDA
                                  SO is everything in his stores 'your stuff' or does he have other stuff too?
                                  Not at all.

                                  I recognize a lot of stuff that Symon Sinsiter sold years ago.

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                                    • lazycash
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                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 15214
                                      #10
                                      Haven't seen a Photogregg thread in about five years.
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                                        • TheDA
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                                          • May 2006
                                          • 4665
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by billywatson
                                          I was waiting for someone to call me out. Didn't think it would happen so fast.

                                          (I've offered Tom at Clips 4 Sale a PW for my site, by the way.)

                                          But here's one of PhotoGregg's stores:

                                          http://www.clips4sale.com/store/8196

                                          and if you look at page 260 (make sure you're at 20 clips per page) you'll see that *entire page* is all Manojob.com

                                          I'll just list one, cause there's so many, and I'm done wasting my time.

                                          "Hand Job Barbie" is listed for sale, and here's my FHG of the content.

                                          That's as far as I'll go. I've got releases and full 2257, which I won't post here, but if I have to, I'll provide for Clips 4 Sale. But it's cool that C4S is putting the burden of proof on PhotoGregg.

                                          At least for now.

                                          Oh -- content producers might want to scan his stores...I'm willing to bet I wasn't the only target.
                                          What's to have stopped you from getting them from c4s and making an FHG out of them :D
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                                            • billywatson
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 3281
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by TheDA
                                              What's to have stopped you from getting them from c4s and making an FHG out of them :D
                                              As moronic as this response is (just stop and think for a sec...would I really pirate content, make FHG's of it, attach my affiliate program (and reputation) to it, and then post it to GFY?), I'd like to still answer it.

                                              Like I said, I have full documentation -- both civil (the model release) and criminal (the 2257 info).

                                              I chose Barbie as an example cause some of you probably know it's Barbie Cummings, and her solo site is owned by Dogfart.com -- the people I direct for. I shot this scene right before Barbie contracted to Dogfart and started BarbCummings.com
                                              Last edited by billywatson; 02-07-2011, 01:26 PM.

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                                                • MK Ultra
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                                                  • Jun 2007
                                                  • 880
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by lazycash
                                                  Haven't seen a Photogregg thread in about five years.
                                                  Hell I thought he was dead...
                                                  enough people wanted him that way

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                                                    • TheDA
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                                                      • May 2006
                                                      • 4665
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by billywatson
                                                      Like I said, I have full documentation -- both civil (the model release) and criminal (the 2257 info).

                                                      I chose Barbie as an example cause some of you probably know it's Barbie Cummings, and her solo site is owned by Dogfart.com -- the people I direct for. I shot this scene right before Barbie contracted to Dogfart and started BarbCummings.com
                                                      Right now, it's his word against yours in terms of what you have posted here
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                                                        • Jdoughs
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                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                          • 5794
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by TheDA
                                                          Right now, it's his word against yours in terms of what you have posted here
                                                          The content in the page he posted above (from Photogreggs store) is indeed Manojob content I recognize scenes myself (been promoting them since they launched, I think I was rev id 6 or 7 on initial backend).

                                                          I'm pretty sure Billy knows his own content (and recognizes his own cock in some).
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                                                            • Easton
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                                                              • Sep 2002
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                                                              #16
                                                              there is no way billywatson has stolen that content... it has to be the other way around and this will be resolved soon enough
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                                                                • jimmy-3-way
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by TheDA
                                                                  Right now, it's his word against yours in terms of what you have posted here
                                                                  Right now you are a trolling cock.

                                                                  I can think of ten people (myself included) off the top of my head that would support Jim and FabCash without even considering asking for proof. His proof is his reputation.

                                                                  Believe it or not there are actually people in this business with integrity.
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                                                                    • JasonB
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                                                                      • Nov 2001
                                                                      • 1183
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Yeah, I recognize that content right away as FabCash content. No question.

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                                                                        • Grapesoda
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                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 46234
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I'm going with Mr Camp on this one.....

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                                                                            • seeandsee
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                                                                              • Mar 2006
                                                                              • 50945
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by billywatson
                                                                              PhotoGregg is a pirate, and he's been caught -- red handed.

                                                                              His hand job stores over at Clips 4 Sale (stores #8196 and 4179) contain many of the handjobs I own and which appear at Manojob.com. I haven't even gotten through all of his "stores", but I'm prepping myself for the worst.

                                                                              I would like to thank Clips 4 Sale with their immediate action to demand 2257 information from PhotoGregg for ALL of this content, and, when that isn't provided, that his stores be closed immediately.

                                                                              It's tough enough with Tubes and file sharing sites...to have producers stealing content and re-rendering movies to remove watermarks is enough to make me wanna start filing lawsuits.

                                                                              Again, a big thank you to Tom at Clips 4 Sale for his immediate attention to this very serious matter.
                                                                              jesus people are shiting all around
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                                                                                • Barefootsies
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                                                                                  • 42635
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by billywatson
                                                                                  I would like to thank Clips 4 Sale with their immediate action to demand 2257 information from PhotoGregg for ALL of this content, and, when that isn't provided, that his stores be closed immediately.
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                                                                                    • Agent 488
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                                                                                      • Feb 2006
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      post a pic of the perp.

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                                                                                        • TheDA
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                                                                                          • May 2006
                                                                                          • 4665
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          They are certainly listed as manojob scenes on the surfer boards.
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                                                                                            • billywatson
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                                                                                              • 3281
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by TheDA
                                                                                              They are certainly listed as manojob scenes on the surfer boards.
                                                                                              Thanks for your vote of confidence, my friend.

                                                                                              If I was a pirate, trust me, the last thread I'd ever start here is this one.

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                                                                                                • ThumbLord
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  what jimmy-3-way said, period !
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                                                                                                    • vsex
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by seeandsee
                                                                                                      jesus people are shiting all around
                                                                                                      No one is a bigger shitter than Billy Watson. Proof here



                                                                                                      I've known Billy and done business with him for years, he's a solid dude. I just wouldn't trust him around naked farm animals......
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                                                                                                        • will76
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                                                                                                          • 18037
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by billywatson
                                                                                                          I was waiting for someone to call me out. Didn't think it would happen so fast.

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                                                                                                            • billywatson
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                                              Neil and Clips4Sale are top notch!
                                                                                                              I'd like to acknowledge Tom once more, cause when we first talked, I was having a hard time controlling my temper, and he did a great job of handling it all. He could have easily turned into a (bigger) dick than me, but he took the high road, and was calm, cool, and collected.

                                                                                                              I wish I could say the same for me when I initially spoke to him.

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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by vsex

                                                                                                                  I've known Billy and done business with him for years, he's a solid dude.

                                                                                                                  I just wouldn't trust him around naked farm animals......
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                                                                                                                    • Kiwigirl
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Unfortunately copyright infringement is an on going battle but what makes a world of difference is how it is handled.
                                                                                                                      Clips4Sale does not tolerate such things but as with any issue there is a protocol in which to follow which generally allows the store in question to present accurate documentation within a 24hr period. Failure to comply results in immediate store closure until the documentation is submitted. If never submitted the store remains closed and the owner of it is blocked from ever being able to reopen another studio.

                                                                                                                      Fyi - billywatson - Tom had no clue what "gofuckyourself.com" was LOL but he definitely appreciates the public gratitude.

                                                                                                                      I am certain that this issue will be resolved for you VERY shortly
                                                                                                                      Last edited by Kiwigirl; 02-07-2011, 02:20 PM.

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                                                                                                                        • RaiderCash_Dominik
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          I ahd no idead gregg was still in business.

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                                                                                                                            • fris
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              ya i had no idea he was still around
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                                                                                                                                • billywatson
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by fris
                                                                                                                                  ya i had no idea he was still around
                                                                                                                                  I was just recently made aware of his store, but a lot of these scenes were uploaded years ago.

                                                                                                                                  My guess is he's just squeezing whatever he can from content -- whether he owns it or not.


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                                                                                                                                    • SGS
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Blast from the past. Didn't PG have issues with a model many years ago?
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SGS
                                                                                                                                          Blast from the past. Didn't PG have issues with a model many years ago?
                                                                                                                                          was there anything he didnt have an issue with?

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                                                                                                                                            • bignasty
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Damn, I haven't heard that name in several years. I had no idea he was still around.
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                                                                                                                                                • beemk
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 20829
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Billy Watson is one of the most honest guys I know in the industry. I've personally visited his studio and while I have no proof that Billy Watson shot it other than it looks like his shooting style, the set is obviously from his studio so it's pretty obvious that photogreg stole his content. That guy is such a dirtbag to begin with that there shouldn't be much of a question to whether or not Billy Watson is making this up.
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                                                                                                                                                    • sologirlcontent
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2007
                                                                                                                                                      • 2617
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Kiwigirl
                                                                                                                                                      Unfortunately copyright infringement is an on going battle but what makes a world of difference is how it is handled.
                                                                                                                                                      Clips4Sale does not tolerate such things but as with any issue there is a protocol in which to follow which generally allows the store in question to present accurate documentation within a 24hr period. Failure to comply results in immediate store closure until the documentation is submitted. If never submitted the store remains closed and the owner of it is blocked from ever being able to reopen another studio.

                                                                                                                                                      Fyi - billywatson - Tom had no clue what "gofuckyourself.com" was LOL but he definitely appreciates the public gratitude.

                                                                                                                                                      I am certain that this issue will be resolved for you VERY shortly
                                                                                                                                                      I just turned someone in yesterday.. Tom was right on it!..

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                                                                                                                                                            • nickey1952
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Some people are soooo dumb...

                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by TheDA
                                                                                                                                                              What's to have stopped you from getting them from c4s and making an FHG out of them :D
                                                                                                                                                              Get your head out of your ass and look around and see who produces content, idiot...
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                                                                                                                                                                • tranza
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by RaiderCash_Dominik
                                                                                                                                                                  I ahd no idead gregg was still in business.
                                                                                                                                                                  I second that...
                                                                                                                                                                  I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • TheDA
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by nickey1952
                                                                                                                                                                      Get your head out of your ass and look around and see who produces content, idiot...
                                                                                                                                                                      Another fucking idiot missing the point.
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                                                                                                                                                                        • pornguy
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by billywatson
                                                                                                                                                                          PhotoGregg is a pirate, and he's been caught -- red handed.

                                                                                                                                                                          His hand job stores over at Clips 4 Sale (stores #8196 and 4179) contain many of the handjobs I own and which appear at Manojob.com. I haven't even gotten through all of his "stores", but I'm prepping myself for the worst.

                                                                                                                                                                          I would like to thank Clips 4 Sale with their immediate action to demand 2257 information from PhotoGregg for ALL of this content, and, when that isn't provided, that his stores be closed immediately.

                                                                                                                                                                          It's tough enough with Tubes and file sharing sites...to have producers stealing content and re-rendering movies to remove watermarks is enough to make me wanna start filing lawsuits.

                                                                                                                                                                          Again, a big thank you to Tom at Clips 4 Sale for his immediate attention to this very serious matter.
                                                                                                                                                                          What would be even nicer is to see them pay you out the $ he earned from your work.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • CaptainHowdy
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                                                                                                                                                                              Aww, come on! It's only content :/ ...

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jdoughs
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                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheDA
                                                                                                                                                                                  Another fucking idiot missing the point.
                                                                                                                                                                                  If 20 people watched you do something, would you need a video tape to prove you did it?

                                                                                                                                                                                  No, lots of proof was posted in this thread, people who have 100% certainty that the content listed above as 'proof' was indeed shot by BillyWatson.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Even Barbie Cummings herself posted about her shoots with Billy on her blog (I think there was 2 (for 2 of his sites) total before she went to her own site with BoB, not positive, but I know 2 at least above could confirm).
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • TheDA
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                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Jdoughs
                                                                                                                                                                                      If 20 people watched you do something, would you need a video tape to prove you did it?

                                                                                                                                                                                      No, lots of proof was posted in this thread, people who have 100% certainty that the content listed above as 'proof' was indeed shot by BillyWatson.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Even Barbie Cummings herself posted about her shoots with Billy on her blog (I think there was 2 (for 2 of his sites) total before she went to her own site with BoB, not positive, but I know 2 at least above could confirm).
                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes he has gone some way to backing up his claims now. At the beginning he didn't.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Supz
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 11057
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by TheDA
                                                                                                                                                                                          Right now, it's his word against yours in terms of what you have posted here
                                                                                                                                                                                          Its not his word. You sound like a moron in your responses here. He is saying he has the legal documentation that the content belongs to him. You should read more and type less.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • TheDA
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • May 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 4665
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Supz
                                                                                                                                                                                              Its not his word. You sound like a moron in your responses here. He is saying he has the legal documentation that the content belongs to him. You should read more and type less.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Another one missing the point.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Dirty D
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • BVF
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Black Vagina Finder
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 13975
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by TheDA
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Another one missing the point.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      The point is that the dude said that he had paperwork....That makes EVERYTHING else invalid moron.

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