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The panic and rumor mongering is idiotic...once the money is in VV it can only be released by Visa ... If you bought a prepaid card you cant just call and say give me my money back!!! These VV are essentially prepaid Visa cards and the "deposit" on them is purchased and loaded onto the card... the money in the cards has to be released by Visa and the bank BEFORE epass can get it back to you. Visa has frozen the movement of the money (supposedly at the request of the ST Kitts bank.)
Its not like its sitting in epass's account. That actually is one of the added degrees of "safety".
Also if this is about AML, epass, Visa and the bank can pay significant fines and serve jail time for disclosing the details of the investigation. (Visa is a USA based corporation as is Epass which is why they would fall under the long arm of Uncle Sam.)
My bet is you the money will eventually be released after hefty verification and it will take time. What will all you "haters" say then? Will you apologize if it was beyond epass's control and you accusations and venom against Mallick and epass people is completely unfounded.
BTW: any prepaid cards will probably go away eventually because of the new laws. Get a real bank account, bring money into the system and pay taxes that's the purpose of these laws ... disclosure.Comment
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anybody get some news about Virtual accounts?
When will we able transfer our money???????????????????????
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money will be online when it gets, you have msg in epass Cpanel saying they working on itComment
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Virtual accounts should be after wallet money, and they are still thereComment
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...the wheel in the sky keeps on turning...Comment
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Originally posted by nmbr6VISA International
ePassporte is incorporated EXACTLY WHERE (in what state) in the United States?
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Still having tea parties at St. Kitts...Comment
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where is my money???????Comment
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God dammit! What is going on?Programs that owe me money ---- Epassporte.com ~ $2700 | Protraffic.com ~ $2600 | XonDemand.com ~ $3000
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"VISA International"
for all you super intelligent people .. Visa international is owned by Visa a publicly traded USA corporation incorporated in DE in 2007 and is headquartered in San Fransico, CA, USA ...
From the 10-k
"The payments industry is the subject of increasing global regulatory focus, which may result in the imposition of costly new compliance burdens on our customers and us and may lead to increased costs and decreased payments volume and revenues.
Regulation of the payments industry has increased significantly in recent years. Examples of such regulation include:
Anti-Money Laundering Regulation. This includes the U.S.A. PATRIOT Act and similar regulations in most other countries in which Visa operates.
U.S. Treasury Office of Foreign Assets Control Regulation. Regulations imposed by the U.S. Treasury Office of Foreign Assets Control, or OFAC, restrict Visa U.S.A. and Visa International from dealing with certain countries, and parties considered to be connected with money laundering, terrorism or narcotics. Non-U.S. Visa International members may not be similarly restricted, so our payments system may be used for transactions in or involving countries or parties subject to OFAC-administered sanctions.
Regulation of Internet Transactions. Proposed legislation in various jurisdictions may make it less desirable or more costly to complete Internet transactions using our cards by affecting the legality of those transactions, the law that governs them, their taxation and the allocation of intellectual property rights.
Safety and Soundness Regulation. Recent federal banking regulations may make some financial institutions less attracted to becoming an issuer of our cards, because they may be subject to more conservative accounting procedures, increased risk management and higher capital requirements."
Mallick and epass have executive offices in California even though the incorporation is offshore. In looking at my prior post I may not have been clear about that.
However any USA involvement would cause them to have to follow USA AML laws. On its own the Visa situation would call for AML laws since it is a USA based. Also VV and Visa Electron cards are through Visa a USA corporation so, once again, the transaction would fall under USA AML laws....(If you haven't had to deal with these laws and the understanding and reporting requirements.Even IF something looks suspicious it triggers. The laws are broad and far reaching. It is 'Big Brotheresque".)
And yes I have money in epass.
(maybe not a moron ... maybe I am an informed moron who is not subject to panic and inflammatory accusations.)Comment
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wow... how stupid are you ?
So what... it is a legal entity incorporated in another country then USA ... Like any major companies that operated in other countries... GM Canada is a separate entity .. It can go bankrupt today without directly affecting GM ( USA ) or GM France ...Visa international is owned by Visa ...
Now, have the guts to show you're real identity, and maybe then we can start even considering your pro-epass post as legit
I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !
But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....Comment
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http://corp.delaware.gov/directweb.shtml
Thanks, VISA International is incorporated as a domestic corporation in the US state of Delaware. This domicile would make them subject to recent laws regarding credit card transactions in the United States. Would have been smarter to incorporate the non-US divisions in a favorable domicile. However, VISA is not only arrogant and IMO not that bright — I am sure that they realize this now — after-sight is always 20/20.
So, this crisis with ePassporte may be related to their (*and their issuing banks') compliance with applicable US laws and regulations. More specifically, the disclosure rules related to stored value credit cards (i.e., the Virtual VISA Electron ATM card).
Assuming that the collateralized balance is correct there is some resolution of this "suspension of the VISA Cards" possible.
Judging by these stipulations, if your account is not verified you may never see your money. My suggestion is that you comply with ePassporte's account verification requests and try to help towards an expedient resolution with some form of release of these "frozen" funds.
As far as any "executive offices" in California;
http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/
Entity Number Date Filed Status Entity Name Agent for Service of Process
200414910138 05/26/2004 CANCELED EPASSPORTE MARKETING, LLC NATIONAL REGISTERED AGENTS INC (C1941323)
200308010145 03/20/2003 CANCELED EPASSPORTE, LLC NATIONAL REGISTERED AGENTS INC (C1941323)ePassporte is no longer a valid California LLC and never was a corporation. It is possible that they are doing business either under another name or by some local county licensing. You cannot do business in California without some authority. (Other than in your personal name).Comment
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From form 10-k
Prior to the October 2007 reorganization, Visa operated as five corporate entities related by ownership and membership: Visa U.S.A., Visa International Service Association ("Visa International" comprising the operating regions of Asia Pacific ("AP"), Latin America and Caribbean ("LAC"), and Central and Eastern Europe, Middle East and Africa ("CEMEA")), Visa Canada Inc. ("Visa Canada"), Inovant LLC ("Inovant"), and Visa Europe Limited ("Visa Europe"). See Note 2—The Reorganization. Beginning October 1, 2007, the Company's consolidated results include Visa U.S.A., Visa International, Visa Canada and Inovant.
I think the prior poster agrees with me on the Visa and possible AML issues because of USA law. USA law is applicable because of VISA's location.
The executive office of the underlying corporation (epass) may not be USA located. My argument is that the principals have a presence in the USA and would fall under USA laws. That discussion is superfluous anyway since VISA (and subsidiary VISA International) are USA based and incorporated. (VISA INTL is no longer separate since 2007)
(Directfiesta: I guess my response to "how stupid are you" should be...pretty stupid wasting time responding to egotistical hard headed people. BTW its than not then. THAN is comparative, THEN has to do with time.)Comment
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Any Regional Operating Regulations within the Visa International Operating Regulations apply only to the operations of client financial institutions within the relevant region (e.g., the U. S. Regional Operating Regulations only apply to a financial institution's operations in the U.S. region).This in the realm of speculation based on some fact ....
I have no hard evidence that is is part of the reason but this VISA International policy does make an issuing bank subject to either it's client's (cardholder's) national laws or those of the bank's domicile (place of business). The definition of "operations" being at question ...Last edited by Barry-xlovecam; 09-18-2010, 11:41 AM.Comment
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Ok, our money are blocked in VVisa for one month. Now the bank for this money pay interest rates of 1% ... Question: Who take this money ?? For me all this operation it's illegal ...Comment
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I want the return of my principal amount ?I can sacrifice any interest they made, if any ? "show me the money" already #@^$*$@.Comment
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No, you must be a bank or have a licensed security to sell to pay interest to the public-at-large.
In the US there are legal provisions for individuals to pay or receive interest on a limited number of purchase contracts. A seller of goods may finance his goods and charge interest as allowed by his state's usury laws.
ePassporte is not a bank, and to the best of my knowledge, has no licensed securities to issue ? it would be unlawful to pay interest. US Banks pay like 1.5% to 1.8% PER YEAR on demand deposits (checking account, money market accounts.)
If you expect interest ? deposit your money in a bank account.Comment
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There is always some current rest consisting of sums of numerous small amounts here and there. You remote the money in 3 days, but 3 days it' there. Same it's there for 3 days in some other accounts and thus they have some rests for all the month.
Bank usually does not pay % on business accounts. But the rest that is not needed for immediate use can be used very safely in "money market". It does not earn much. I'm not sure what it is in current economic conditions, but the biggest I remember was 4.5% per year, usually less, may be less then 2% per year. But it's most safe and very fast - you can enter today and withdraw tomorrow.
AFAIK in US any financial institution is required to ask a strict permission from their clients to use money in money market or in any kind of investment for that matter. As for the where Epass incorporated - I do not know. Again, almost no one ever read terms of use carefully, it might be there.
If Epass is using my money in money market to earn something extra - I have no objections whatsoever. My concern is whether or not they were using them in any other, more risky, kinds of investment. Because that could be the cause for what's happening now.Last edited by Phoenix66; 09-18-2010, 02:03 PM.Comment
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How did you manage to come to this conclusion? There is no way the American government would allow the government of Canada to willingly sit idle and let GM Canada go bankrupt unless they themselves planned on letting the company collapse.wow... how stupid are you ?
So what... it is a legal entity incorporated in another country then USA ... Like any major companies that operated in other countries... GM Canada is a separate entity .. It can go bankrupt today without directly affecting GM ( USA ) or GM France ...
Now, have the guts to show you're real identity, and maybe then we can start even considering your pro-epass post as legit
The Canadian government was not originally interested in owning any part of General Motors. Under pressure from the US government, we acquiesced.
Original GM bailout figures (these seem change depending on the source. They're also continuing to be added to as GM is still receiving taxpayer money - in spite of their feel good TV spots.)
United States: $49.5 billion. $6.7 billion of which was a pure loan. This "pure loan" has been paid back (mostly) which is what GM's asshat CEO refers to in the commercials.
Canada: $1.4 billion as a pure loan, another $8.1 billion for an 11.7 stake in the company. Total? $9.5 billion.
Per capita, the US government would have had to hand GM about $95 billlion to match the "contribution" made by Canadian taxpayers. You think our country acted as a seperate, independant entity in this instance?
No, sir.
And this has nothing to do with Epassporte. So, wtf?Comment
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Phoenix66; OK, pure speculation with no basis in fact (ePassorte's silence encourages this BTW) ? why do you think that there is (were) daily spend and withdraw limits on the VISA Electron issued by SKNAB and private labeled to ePassporte?
Someone may very well have been playing the float and then could not fully collateralize the compensating balance required by the bank ...Comment
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Pure speculations, indeed. But the sad part is that almost every of them might have happened.Comment
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New email from Epass: Sep 18, 2010 6:20 PM PDT
" We regret for the inconvenience caused to you. In regards to your concern,
please be advised that, currently we cannot provide you with an exact time
frame when the issue will be resolved. However, our Account Verification
Department is working on the issue and you will be notified once it is
resolved. "
Ok ... I wait ....
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I mean that there can not be any DVDs for sale for a movie just dropped out of the cinemas. It usually takes a few month before they ship DVDs.
And as far as the main stream media, I said I have seen the "Making of Middle Men" on HBO 2 days before you ask if its banned. Why should it be banned anyway and what news would it bring to the epassporte situation at all?
I am not picking on you, I just can`t seem to make sense out of your 1st post.
Anyways, I am getting my life back as soon as the payoneer card hits my mailbox.
Setting up okpay too, so I have alternatives in case such a cluster fuck happens again. And it will happen again.Comment
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Haha is never so easy! "You may not withdraw to this credit/debit card: it was issued in a restricted country"
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Hey bigger genius...look at the wording of the VISA statement: At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards issued by SKNA and operated by ePassporte.com to address certain program deficiencies. ePassporte.com is a third-party agent that works with SKNA.
?It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA?s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com.
?Visa is committed to maintaining the integrity of its global payment network and routinely conducts due diligence to ensure Visa prepaid programs adhere to the company?s stringent program requirements and controls.?
The comment in italics says go the ST Kitts bank and Epass for access. Does not say how or when you can access. That is the negotiation process. VISA locked ATM and network access. How does epass move money from the prepaid debit cards to another system? It also seems that Wallet money is at a different bank and is not frozen. A problem would seem to be how to move all of those VV accounts (monies) to the wallet at A DIFFERENT BANK. Not quite as easy as it initially sounds.Comment
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