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  • DEA - banned for life
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    #2001




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    • anexsia
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      • May 2010
      • 5735

      #2002
      Wow...I was on when this thread started just a few days ago and now it's up to 2,000! Here's to hoping everyone with funds frozen eventually get them from epass!

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      • nikki99
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        #2003
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        • gonzales
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          • Feb 2005
          • 7

          #2004
          I am surprised nobody else posted this

          Update, Sept. 7, 1:07 p.m. ET: Visa just issued the following statement:

          “At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards issued by SKNA and operated by ePassporte.com to address certain program deficiencies. ePassporte.com is a third-party agent that works with SKNA.

          “It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA’s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com.

          “Visa is committed to maintaining the integrity of its global payment network and routinely conducts due diligence to ensure Visa prepaid programs adhere to the company’s stringent program requirements and controls.”

          Source is the Krebs security blog, but I cannot post urls because I have less than 30 posts, check his blog yourself!!

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          • Robocrop
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            • Aug 2008
            • 2785

            #2005
            Link for you : http://krebsonsecurity.com/

            DEA seems to have a personal vendetta with Epass...

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            • Jdoughs
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              • Mar 2004
              • 5794

              #2006
              Originally posted by gonzales
              I am surprised nobody else posted this

              Update, Sept. 7, 1:07 p.m. ET: Visa just issued the following statement:

              ?At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards issued by SKNA and operated by ePassporte.com to address certain program deficiencies. ePassporte.com is a third-party agent that works with SKNA.

              ?It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA?s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com.

              ?Visa is committed to maintaining the integrity of its global payment network and routinely conducts due diligence to ensure Visa prepaid programs adhere to the company?s stringent program requirements and controls.?

              Source is the Krebs security blog, but I cannot post urls because I have less than 30 posts, check his blog yourself!!
              Nothing new in there.
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              • gonzales
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                • Feb 2005
                • 7

                #2007
                if I understand it correctly, it says the funds on visa card should be available through epassporte

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                • Shap
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                  • May 2001
                  • 8313

                  #2008
                  Originally posted by gonzales
                  if I understand it correctly, it says the funds on visa card should be available through epassporte
                  that is what I understood as well

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                  • Tjeezers
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                    #2009


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                    • lucPL
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                      • Feb 2005
                      • 305

                      #2010
                      At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards

                      !!! if St Kitts bank requested this then they have a "problem" with epassporte. This means that funds stored there could be in danger !

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                      • wyldblyss
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                        • Nov 2003
                        • 5779

                        #2011
                        Originally posted by Jdoughs
                        Nothing new in there.
                        Isn't the statement that cardholders can still access their funds through epass new? I mean, they say people can access the prepaid card funds, epass says they can't. So is the statement bogus? Or.....?

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                        • MontrealPimp
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                          • Feb 2005
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                          #2012
                          shitstorm just hit a whole new level, beautiful

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                          • McSpike
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                            • May 2001
                            • 1042

                            #2013
                            Other (US) banks have a beef with epassporte and won't do transfers to it. Now epassporte's own bank has a beef with it. LOL. Therefore epasporte is looking for a new bank this year? Again?

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                            • Jdoughs
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                              • Mar 2004
                              • 5794

                              #2014
                              Originally posted by gonzales
                              if I understand it correctly, it says the funds on visa card should be available through epassporte
                              Originally posted by Shap
                              that is what I understood as well
                              Originally posted by wyldblyss
                              Isn't the statement that cardholders can still access their funds through epass new? I mean, they say people can access the prepaid card funds, epass says they can't. So is the statement bogus? Or.....?
                              Actually it don't say shit about the cards being usable, quite the opposite. It says:

                              ?At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards issued by SKNA and operated by ePassporte.com to address certain program deficiencies. ePassporte.com is a third-party agent that works with SKNA.

                              ?It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA?s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com."


                              Which is true to a certain extent, many wires requested Thursday ARE landing in bank accounts today.

                              So people can "access their funds", just not all people, and not on their cards. The update is as vague as epass's statement was.

                              It says VISA blocked Epass Cards at the request of SKNB. Blocked, meaning cant be touched, no money transfer etc.
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                              • Denny
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                                • Feb 2005
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                                #2015
                                Originally posted by gonzales
                                if I understand it correctly, it says the funds on visa card should be available through epassporte
                                yup

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                                • HighlyIntoxicated
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                                  • gooddomains
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                                    • Jul 2003
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                                    #2017
                                    Originally posted by Denny
                                    yup
                                    great news

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                                    • beta-tester
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                                      • Sep 2004
                                      • 22562

                                      #2018
                                      Originally posted by gonzales
                                      I am surprised nobody else posted this

                                      Update, Sept. 7, 1:07 p.m. ET: Visa just issued the following statement:

                                      ?At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards issued by SKNA and operated by ePassporte.com to address certain program deficiencies. ePassporte.com is a third-party agent that works with SKNA.

                                      ?It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA?s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com.

                                      ?Visa is committed to maintaining the integrity of its global payment network and routinely conducts due diligence to ensure Visa prepaid programs adhere to the company?s stringent program requirements and controls.?

                                      Source is the Krebs security blog, but I cannot post urls because I have less than 30 posts, check his blog yourself!!
                                      If that's official VISA statement, then I'm waiting an answer from Michael as why we can't withdraw our funds from VISA Virtual??

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                                      • beta-tester
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                                        #2019
                                        Originally posted by Jdoughs
                                        Actually it don't say shit about the cards being usable, quite the opposite. It says:

                                        ?At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards issued by SKNA and operated by ePassporte.com to address certain program deficiencies. ePassporte.com is a third-party agent that works with SKNA.

                                        ?It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA?s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com."


                                        Which is true to a certain extent, many wires requested Thursday ARE landing in bank accounts today.

                                        So people can "access their funds", just not all people, and not on their cards. The update is as vague as epass's statement was.

                                        It says VISA blocked Epass Cards at the request of SKNB. Blocked, meaning cant be touched, no money transfer etc.
                                        VISA blocked access to their network!! Meaning the money can be used OUTSIDE of their network, ie. we should be able to withdraw them using other options and not the VISA one.

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                                        • DEA - banned for life
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                                          #2020
                                          Originally posted by lucPL
                                          At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards

                                          !!! if St Kitts bank requested this then they have a "problem" with epassporte. This means that funds stored there could be in danger !
                                          ya think ?

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                                          • lucPL
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                                            • Feb 2005
                                            • 305

                                            #2021
                                            it was St Kitts Bank request to cut off Visa so this means DEEP SHIT

                                            because if epassporte have a problem with bank then funds stored on bank account could be cut off too. and this would mean return of ZERO $

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                                            • lucPL
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                                              #2022
                                              Deep shit alert

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                                              • beta-tester
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                                                #2023
                                                Originally posted by DEA
                                                ya think ?
                                                would you fucking shut up already!!?? What are you trying to do here, piss off as many people as you can!? I am sick and tired of your retarded posts already! Fuck off!

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                                                • Jdoughs
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                                                  #2024
                                                  Originally posted by lucPL
                                                  it was St Kitts Bank request to cut off Visa so this means DEEP SHIT

                                                  because if epassporte have a problem with bank then funds stored on bank account could be cut off too. and this would mean return of ZERO $
                                                  Seems pretty unlikely that the bank would freeze one account and not the other if this was in fact the case. (example - wire transfers working from wallet accounts)
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                                                  • Jdoughs
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                                                    #2025
                                                    Originally posted by DEA
                                                    ya think ?
                                                    If what you think is true, a smart, sensible man would be sitting back enjoying the fireworks.

                                                    Grow up man.
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                                                    • theking
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                                                      #2026
                                                      Originally posted by gonzales
                                                      I am surprised nobody else posted this

                                                      Update, Sept. 7, 1:07 p.m. ET: Visa just issued the following statement:

                                                      “At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards issued by SKNA and operated by ePassporte.com to address certain program deficiencies. ePassporte.com is a third-party agent that works with SKNA.

                                                      “It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA’s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com.

                                                      “Visa is committed to maintaining the integrity of its global payment network and routinely conducts due diligence to ensure Visa prepaid programs adhere to the company’s stringent program requirements and controls.”

                                                      Source is the Krebs security blog, but I cannot post urls because I have less than 30 posts, check his blog yourself!!
                                                      The way I understand this then...it was not an action initiated by Visa but was an action initiated by the bank...thus it appears that the bank has a problem with the epassporte account. It also sounds to me that people should be able to withdraw their money that was on the epassporte Visa account with the bank either via epassporte or the bank...providing the money is in fact still there and has not been raided.

                                                      If MO is just a rep for epassporte...it is time for the CEO of the company to come up with an explanation. The skies are beginning to grow darker.
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                                                      • DEA - banned for life
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                                                        #2027
                                                        Originally posted by beta-tester
                                                        would you fucking shut up already!!?? What are you trying to do here, piss off as many people as you can!? I am sick and tired of your retarded posts already! Fuck off!
                                                        have you watched middle men yet?





                                                        judging by your tone...obviously not




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                                                        • wild johnny
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                                                          • 723

                                                          #2028
                                                          Originally posted by beta-tester
                                                          VISA blocked access to their network!! Meaning the money can be used OUTSIDE of their network, ie. we should be able to withdraw them using other options and not the VISA one.
                                                          That is exactly how I read It.

                                                          Looks to me like epass is holding on to our $$ at this time..
                                                          Last edited by wild johnny; 09-07-2010, 11:44 AM.
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                                                          • beta-tester
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                                                            #2029
                                                            Originally posted by DEA
                                                            have you watched middle men yet?





                                                            judging by your tone...obviously not
                                                            what's your problem man? If you don't like epass, chill out! You are just making yourself look like a complete fool!

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                                                            • AzteK
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                                                              • Feb 2001
                                                              • 3451

                                                              #2030
                                                              GIVE ME MAH

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                                                              • nikki99
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                                                                #2031
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                                                                • AzteK
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                                                                  #2032
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                                                                  • DEA - banned for life
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                                                                    • 7886

                                                                    #2033
                                                                    Originally posted by Jdoughs
                                                                    If what you think is true, a smart, sensible man would be sitting back enjoying the fireworks.

                                                                    Grow up man.
                                                                    Right now the bands still playing.....the fireworks wont start until webmasters find out they wont be getting there money back

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                                                                    • Shap
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                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 8313

                                                                      #2034
                                                                      Originally posted by Jdoughs
                                                                      Actually it don't say shit about the cards being usable, quite the opposite. It says:

                                                                      ?At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards issued by SKNA and operated by ePassporte.com to address certain program deficiencies. ePassporte.com is a third-party agent that works with SKNA.

                                                                      ?It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA?s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com."


                                                                      Which is true to a certain extent, many wires requested Thursday ARE landing in bank accounts today.

                                                                      So people can "access their funds", just not all people, and not on their cards. The update is as vague as epass's statement was.

                                                                      It says VISA blocked Epass Cards at the request of SKNB. Blocked, meaning cant be touched, no money transfer etc.
                                                                      I didn't say the card would work. I said it sounds like the FUNDS are available

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                                                                      • DEA - banned for life
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                                                                        #2035
                                                                        Originally posted by beta-tester
                                                                        what's your problem man? If you don't like epass, chill out! You are just making yourself look like a complete fool!
                                                                        thats what they said when i tried to help the webmaster community 2 months ago by pointing out something like this current situation was a very realistic possibility
                                                                        Last edited by DEA - banned for life; 09-07-2010, 11:50 AM.

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                                                                        • Phoenix66
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                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 823

                                                                          #2036
                                                                          I hardly doubt that any bank would require to ask VISA to stop their own cards. Banks can just block your account without any warning and fuck you any way they wish. They don't need VISA for that. This is what might actually happen, though, since the money on cards are not accessible.

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                                                                          • willwank
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                                                                            • 628

                                                                            #2037
                                                                            Originally posted by beta-tester
                                                                            If that's official VISA statement, then I'm waiting an answer from Michael as why we can't withdraw our funds from VISA Virtual??
                                                                            Me too. They are basically saying Visa has not tied up, blocked or frozen any money, anywhere. This is a technical issue in how ePass's frontend (and backend) access funds. (deliberate or not, by who, for what reason)
                                                                            Last edited by willwank; 09-07-2010, 11:54 AM.
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                                                                            • edigitec
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                                                                              • Jun 2007
                                                                              • 26

                                                                              #2038
                                                                              this is like setting off a firecracker in pen full of donkeys. some get mad and kick, some get scared and shit themselves, some freak out and jump the fence. while the older wiser donkeys sit on their asses and watch the excitement.
                                                                              all I have to say is...
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                                                                              • papill0n
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                                                                                • Oct 2007
                                                                                • 15547

                                                                                #2039
                                                                                Originally posted by DEA
                                                                                nightmare...
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                                                                                • Phoenix66
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                                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                                  • 823

                                                                                  #2040
                                                                                  Originally posted by Jdoughs
                                                                                  Seems pretty unlikely that the bank would freeze one account and not the other if this was in fact the case. (example - wire transfers working from wallet accounts)
                                                                                  The money on wallets can be in some other bank. Did not they change incoming wire instructions to some other bank recently?
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                                                                                  • MobiusMike
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                                                                                    • Jul 2010
                                                                                    • 123

                                                                                    #2041
                                                                                    Originally posted by gonzales
                                                                                    I am surprised nobody else posted this

                                                                                    Update, Sept. 7, 1:07 p.m. ET: Visa just issued the following statement:

                                                                                    ?At the request of St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla National Bank (SKNA), on September 2, 2010, Visa blocked network access for prepaid cards issued by SKNA and operated by ePassporte.com to address certain program deficiencies. ePassporte.com is a third-party agent that works with SKNA.

                                                                                    ?It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA?s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com.

                                                                                    ?Visa is committed to maintaining the integrity of its global payment network and routinely conducts due diligence to ensure Visa prepaid programs adhere to the company?s stringent program requirements and controls.?

                                                                                    Source is the Krebs security blog, but I cannot post urls because I have less than 30 posts, check his blog yourself!!
                                                                                    This is an interesting press release!

                                                                                    The first paragraph states that SKNA (Bank) requested that Visa block network access for ePassporte cards to address "program deficiencies".

                                                                                    Yet, in the last paragraph, you have a statement about Visa conducting due diligence to ensure that programs adhere to "stringent program requirements and controls."

                                                                                    I read this to mean that Visa conducted an audit, found deficiencies and gave SKNA the option of shutting the program down or facing some form of censure (fines, loss of charter, etc.). Therefore SKNA "requested" that Visa block network access.

                                                                                    In the central paragraph, again attempting to translate Visa's corporate-ese, it appears that they are divesting themselves of responsibility further by saying "We don't have the money, it's all in the control of SKNA and/or ePassporte."

                                                                                    This really doesn't answer the central question of how and when the funds that were moved to VVs will be released back to the wallets. It depends greatly on what the 'program deficiencies' were and what (if any) regulatory issues the Bank and/or ePassporte are facing.

                                                                                    If ePassporte was storing the wallet funds in accounts at SKNA and is currently releasing them, it seems likely that SKNA will not hold the funds on the VVs for very long either.

                                                                                    If, on the other hand, the walleted funds were being stored at a separate financial institution and a "daily sweep" to SKNA for requested VV funds was being pushed by ePassporte to SKNA the wallet funds may be available but funds already pushed to SKNA for VVs may continue to be effected by the program closure.

                                                                                    I'm curious if anyone has noted what bank was used to initiate wallet payment either via wire or ach?


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                                                                                    • Fat Panda
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                                                                                      • 13296

                                                                                      #2042
                                                                                      epass is in some hot fucking water...

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                                                                                      • Magix
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                                                                                        • Jun 2006
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                                                                                        #2043
                                                                                        Originally posted by

                                                                                        ?It is important to note that impacted SKNA prepaid cardholders are still able to access their funds through SKNA or SKNA?s agent, ePassporte.com. For more information cardholders should contact SKNA or ePassporte.com."[/U
                                                                                        [/I]
                                                                                        So what I understand I can contact SKNA and ask them to send my funds to my bank ?
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                                                                                        • Jman
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                                                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                                                          • 22838

                                                                                          #2044
                                                                                          Anyone heard from anyone from Epassporte... we see activity online but not much is said to us, the customers?
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                                                                                          • willwank
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                                                                                            #2045
                                                                                            Originally posted by MobiusMike
                                                                                            I'm curious if anyone has noted what bank was used to initiate wallet payment either via wire or ach?
                                                                                            Good question. Anyone?
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                                                                                            • wyldblyss
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                                                                                              • 5779

                                                                                              #2046
                                                                                              Originally posted by Magix
                                                                                              So what I understand I can contact SKNA and ask them to send my funds to my bank ?
                                                                                              St. Kitts is saying "no comment" and they do not know where the money on the cards is (St.Kitts Bank or Visa etc.)

                                                                                              They are saying they are in negotiations with epass and they are expecting to hear something this afternoon (what that something is, who knows). They are being evasive, won't give names, will hang up on you and won't confirm the validity of the Visa statement.

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                                                                                              • PXN
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                                                                                                • Jun 2008
                                                                                                • 1548

                                                                                                #2047
                                                                                                at least there is some news today...

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                                                                                                • Fat Panda
                                                                                                  Porn is Dead. Move along.
                                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                                  • 13296

                                                                                                  #2048
                                                                                                  big news will break tonight

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                                                                                                  • lucPL
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                                                    • 305

                                                                                                    #2049
                                                                                                    Originally posted by wyldblyss
                                                                                                    St. Kitts is saying "no comment" and they do not know where the money on the cards is (St.Kitts Bank or Visa etc.)

                                                                                                    They are saying they are in negotiations with epass and they are expecting to hear something this afternoon (what that something is, who knows). They are being evasive, won't give names, will hang up on you and won't confirm the validity of the Visa statement.

                                                                                                    damn, doesnt sound too good

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                                                                                                    • Speedy26
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                                      • 950

                                                                                                      #2050
                                                                                                      yay page 42
                                                                                                      http://www.amberscash.com webmaster {at} crazynakedchick [dot] com

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