What is the Future of the Pay Site Biz Model and Affiliate Program(s)? - GoFuckYourself.com

mahoney · 09-02-2010, 01:49 AM

Hello, thanks for taking the time to read this. First of all, please excuse my ignorance on this subject as I have been living under a rock for the last 5 years and NOT involved in the Adult Industry (inner circle) for the last 5 years.

Are the owners of Major Affiliate Programs going after the content pirates that
steal their content? If so are they winning or losing the court cases?

How has the business model for Major Affiliate programs changed in the last 5 years? How do you anticipate it to change in the next 5-10 years?

What is the (approx) Cost and/or value of an EXCLUSIVE well shot B/G scene?

What is the adult industry doing to protect themselves from content pirates?

I have been hearing that the Adult Internet Business was dead since 1998 aka "The Sky is Falling" point of view since 1998 but it's not going anywhere.....or is it?

k0nr4d · 09-02-2010, 02:09 AM

The future of paysites is pay tubes. Ive been doing quite a few lately. Affiliates are swinging towards buying up content themselves since it is so cheap now and making their own pay tube sites rather then pushing programs.

theking · 09-02-2010, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mahoney

Hello, thanks for taking the time to read this. First of all, please excuse my ignorance on this subject as I have been living under a rock for the last 5 years and NOT involved in the Adult Industry (inner circle) for the last 5 years.

Are the owners of Major Affiliate Programs going after the content pirates that
steal their content? If so are they winning or losing the court cases?

How has the business model for Major Affiliate programs changed in the last 5 years? How do you anticipate it to change in the next 5-10 years?

What is the (approx) Cost and/or value of an EXCLUSIVE well shot B/G scene?

What is the adult industry doing to protect themselves from content pirates?

I have been hearing that the Adult Internet Business was dead since 1998 aka "The Sky is Falling" point of view since 1998 but it's not going anywhere.....or is it?

My

In answer to your first question.

No...they are not really going after them.

In answer your second question.

I personally am not aware of any wins in court...the ones I am aware of have been thrown out of court. Their are a couple of active court cases that have yet to be determined.

In answer to your third and fourth question.

The biggest change I have seen in affiliate programs is more hosted gallaries...more embeds...more videos...more content available. In the next five years there will be fewer and fewer affiliate programs.

In answer to your fifth question.

Complaining is about all.

AlphaSky · 09-02-2010, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

The future of paysites is pay tubes. Ive been doing quite a few lately. Affiliates are swinging towards buying up content themselves since it is so cheap now and making their own pay tube sites rather then pushing programs.

What's a "pay tube site" and why would anybody pay to see one? Yes, I'm clueless, so please fill me in.

I thought the new game was advertising online. Give the people free porn via a tube site and make money from selling ad space for products and adult crap.

I think the adult internet porn industry is going to simply turn into television. All the shows are free, and they make money from commericials. There will still be "pay per view" and "pay for cable" (those rare niche sites and of course some cam sites) but the vast majority of it will be free television.

Advertising is the new adult game, not the porn itself.

mahoney · 09-02-2010, 04:06 AM

Ok..let's take 4tube.com for example...Just at first glance my gut tells me that the money is made through affiliate programs...Yes or No? If Yes...is it the same affiliate programs that owns the content that they are giving away for Free aka "pirating" ? I'm just trying to make sense of all this

k0nr4d · 09-02-2010, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSky

What's a "pay tube site" and why would anybody pay to see one? Yes, I'm clueless, so please fill me in.

Basically you have teaser clips on the outside (say 30seconds of the vid), and when they pay they get access to the whole video. I don't know why it works, but its defiantely doign better nowadays then the traditional paysite model.

If you do it with small niches that aren't oversaturated yet (say, balloon fetish videos or something), it is hugely successful.

Barefootsies · 09-02-2010, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

The future of paysites is pay tubes. Ive been doing quite a few lately. Affiliates are swinging towards buying up content themselves since it is so cheap now and making their own pay tube sites rather then pushing programs.

Well said, true dat.

TheDoc · 09-02-2010, 08:01 AM

Some people are fighting, Topbucks, ten, some gay company that I can't recall. I'm sure some others are as well. The problem is, most sites that you can sue, comply with dmca so you really can't sue them unless you want to lose.

The business model itself hasn't changed much, the amount of affiliates has changed greatly which has forced some programs to run things a little different, internally. What has changed is more people using trial upgrades, they produce more money and it's a way to protect your content from leaches.

$800-$2500

Not much we can do because members demand for the content on various formats. As well DRM is another cost on top of already tight margins on a large number of companies.

Piracy does happen through members, but the major source is password leaks and the pirates just buying a membership. Protecting yourself, isn't easy when we can't set a standard because of the various technologies people use.

The sky isn't falling, the technology is shifting.

DVTimes · 09-02-2010, 08:04 AM

i think things will get better.

Paul Markham · 09-02-2010, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mahoney

re the owners of Major Affiliate Programs going after the content pirates that steal their content? If so are they winning or losing the court cases?

If the site removes the content after a DMCA notice they lose. The fight against piracy is much wider than the porn industry, so maybe there will be changes in the law. That said it will not stop Tubes taking customers away. Some sponsors will give the Tubes all the content they need or actually own major Tubes sites.

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How has the business model for Major Affiliate programs changed in the last 5 years? How do you anticipate it to change in the next 5-10 years?

Very little has changed. The PPS model was hit when VISA changed it's rules and that hit a few sponsors and affiliates.

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What is the (approx) Cost and/or value of an EXCLUSIVE well shot B/G scene?

How long is a piece of string?

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What is the adult industry doing to protect themselves from content pirates?

Virtually nothing effective.

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I have been hearing that the Adult Internet Business was dead since 1998 aka "The Sky is Falling" point of view since 1998 but it's not going anywhere.....or is it?

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No it's not dead or dying. A few will still make some money. The days of big money for many are over. Depending on what you call big money. 7-8 figure yearly incomes.

Paul Markham · 09-02-2010, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaSky

What's a "pay tube site" and why would anybody pay to see one? Yes, I'm clueless, so please fill me in.

I thought the new game was advertising online. Give the people free porn via a tube site and make money from selling ad space for products and adult crap.

I think the adult internet porn industry is going to simply turn into television. All the shows are free, and they make money from commercials. There will still be "pay per view" and "pay for cable" (those rare niche sites and of course some cam sites) but the vast majority of it will be free television.

Advertising is the new adult game, not the porn itself.

Advertising might be the new adult game. But it's a very small game for a few. Selling Dating, Cam and Paysites off Tubes sites will never replace the money that was made from porn. I expect most small to medium Tube sites will be gone in a few years. If you don't have 1,000s of full length scenes you can't compete with those that do.

Plus pinning your future on big Dating and Cam sites is a risky business. They will open their own Tubes and then cut down on affiliates.

sexdatesj · 09-02-2010, 01:54 PM

Alot of problems, hope this can get resolved.

mahoney · 09-02-2010, 04:19 PM

Thanks for the info

pOrRiDgE · 09-02-2010, 08:24 PM

So why not run some ad-campaigns like: Hey! We're all going to cook down here. So, you know, about that whole reproduction thing... Yeah, it might not be very nice to your potential offspring.

*EDIT: Or will people learn to see through that sort of propaganda?

NickB. · 09-02-2010, 08:56 PM

very much alive... epass is a big problem though for webmasters

if any of our webmasters is in trouble hit me up please

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k0nr4d Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 9,229	The future of paysites is pay tubes. Ive been doing quite a few lately. Affiliates are swinging towards buying up content themselves since it is so cheap now and making their own pay tube sites rather then pushing programs. __________________ Mechanical Bunny Media Mechbunny Tube Script \| Mechbunny Webcam Aggregator Script \| Custom Web Development

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mahoney Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas Nv Posts: 5,318	Ok..let's take 4tube.com for example...Just at first glance my gut tells me that the money is made through affiliate programs...Yes or No? If Yes...is it the same affiliate programs that owns the content that they are giving away for Free aka "pirating" ? I'm just trying to make sense of all this __________________ Vegassexparty.com

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	Some people are fighting, Topbucks, ten, some gay company that I can't recall. I'm sure some others are as well. The problem is, most sites that you can sue, comply with dmca so you really can't sue them unless you want to lose. The business model itself hasn't changed much, the amount of affiliates has changed greatly which has forced some programs to run things a little different, internally. What has changed is more people using trial upgrades, they produce more money and it's a way to protect your content from leaches. $800-$2500 Not much we can do because members demand for the content on various formats. As well DRM is another cost on top of already tight margins on a large number of companies. Piracy does happen through members, but the major source is password leaks and the pirates just buying a membership. Protecting yourself, isn't easy when we can't set a standard because of the various technologies people use. The sky isn't falling, the technology is shifting. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

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mahoney Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas Nv Posts: 5,318	Thanks for the info __________________ Vegassexparty.com

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pOrRiDgE Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 176	So why not run some ad-campaigns like: Hey! We're all going to cook down here. So, you know, about that whole reproduction thing... Yeah, it might not be very nice to your potential offspring. EDIT: Or will people learn to see through that sort of propaganda? __________________ -<Enemy of the state>- African virgins: Curing Jews of AIDS since 2008 Last edited by pOrRiDgE; 09-02-2010 at 08:27 PM..*

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NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	very much alive... epass is a big problem though for webmasters if any of our webmasters is in trouble hit me up please