you think Arizona has a tough immigration law, read this:

[Grapesoda]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08...jbV2&wom=false

Mexico tries to identify 72 bodies found near border

Mexico City, Mexico (CNN) -- Mexican investigators have asked diplomats from El Salvador, Honduras, Ecuador and Brazil to help identify the bodies of 72 presumed migrants discovered at a ranch in northeast Mexico.

The nationalities of the deceased have not yet been confirmed, according to a statement released by Mexican President Felipe Calderon's office late Wednesday.

The statement said Calderon "strongly condemns the acts that caused the death of 72 people, suspected to be migrants," and said that drug gangs are repeatedly turning to extortion and kidnapping of migrants as their resources and recruits dwindle.

"This is a result of the activity of the state against them, which has significantly weakened the operational capacity of criminal groups," Calderon's office said.

The bodies of the 58 men and 14 women were found above ground in a structure on the ranch, which is about 14 miles (22 kilometers) from the town of San Fernando, near the border with Texas. The Mexican navy, which was called in to investigate the case, said it is one of the largest discoveries of bodies in Mexico's 4-year-old war on organized crime.

Members of the Mexican navy were tipped off to the site after a man with a gunshot wound approached a military roadblock.

The man said he had been injured by a criminal gang, according to a statement released by the navy.

Mexico's attorney general's office identified the man as an Ecuadorean immigrant with a bullet wound to the neck.

"The navy went to the area where the man came from and encountered gunfights. A naval officer was killed and three of the delinquents were killed," said an officer who answered the telephone at the navy's communication department. The officer, who was not authorized to speak on the record, declined to give his name.

After the gunbattle, authorities said, they found a stash of weapons, including 21 rifles, camouflage uniforms, bulletproof vests and four trucks.

One of the vehicles had been disguised to look like a truck from the Ministry of National Defense, officials said.

A preliminary investigation indicated the victims were illegal immigrants from Honduras, El Salvador, Brazil and Ecuador, said Alejandro Poire, spokesman for national security strategy.

"This discovery once again demonstrates the extreme danger and violence that Central Americans face on their treacherous journey north, as well as Mexican authorities' abject failure to protect them," Amnesty International said. "Mexico must immediately investigate this massacre, bring the perpetrators to justice and establish the identities of those killed so that their families can be informed."

Wednesday's gruesome discovery came about a month after authorities in the neighboring state of Nuevo Leon discovered 51 bodies in nine mass graves.

In that instance, investigators found charred remains, incinerated bone fragments and stains of fire on the ground where bodies were presumably burned in steel drums, the state-run Notimex news agency said.

Similar mass graves have been discovered in the Mexican states of Guerrero and Quintana Roo since late May. Authorities have linked them to Mexico's ongoing drug war.

Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas, which border Texas, have seen a marked increase in drug violence this year due to an intensifying rivalry between the Gulf cartel and the Zetas gang, which was formerly the cartel's armed branch.

More than 28,000 people have died in drug-related incidents since Calderon intensified the government's fight against drug cartels and organized crime after taking office in December 2006.

[damnage]

Such evil.

[~Ray]

I'm surprised the smell didn't tip anyone off sooner

[czarina]

that's terrible, poor people! My heart goes out to their families

[NetHorse]

Sad news for sure. Those drug cartels are absolute animals, they murder innocent people like it's nothing; women, children, family men..

One thing is for sure, we need to send more troops to our border and keep that violence on their side. We can't do anything there, but we sure as hell can do something to make sure they don't bring it here.

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/101430419.html

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08...jbV2&wom=false

Mexico tries to identify 72 bodies found near border

Mexico City, Mexico (CNN) -- Mexican investigators have asked diplomats from El Salvador, Honduras, Ecuador and Brazil to help identify the bodies of 72 presumed migrants discovered at a ranch in northeast Mexico.

The nationalities of the deceased have not yet been confirmed, according to a statement released by Mexican President Felipe Calderon's office late Wednesday.

The statement said Calderon "strongly condemns the acts that caused the death of 72 people, suspected to be migrants," and said that drug gangs are repeatedly turning to extortion and kidnapping of migrants as their resources and recruits dwindle.

"This is a result of the activity of the state against them, which has significantly weakened the operational capacity of criminal groups," Calderon's office said.

The bodies of the 58 men and 14 women were found above ground in a structure on the ranch, which is about 14 miles (22 kilometers) from the town of San Fernando, near the border with Texas. The Mexican navy, which was called in to investigate the case, said it is one of the largest discoveries of bodies in Mexico's 4-year-old war on organized crime.

Members of the Mexican navy were tipped off to the site after a man with a gunshot wound approached a military roadblock.

The man said he had been injured by a criminal gang, according to a statement released by the navy.

Mexico's attorney general's office identified the man as an Ecuadorean immigrant with a bullet wound to the neck.

"The navy went to the area where the man came from and encountered gunfights. A naval officer was killed and three of the delinquents were killed," said an officer who answered the telephone at the navy's communication department. The officer, who was not authorized to speak on the record, declined to give his name.

After the gunbattle, authorities said, they found a stash of weapons, including 21 rifles, camouflage uniforms, bulletproof vests and four trucks.

One of the vehicles had been disguised to look like a truck from the Ministry of National Defense, officials said.

A preliminary investigation indicated the victims were illegal immigrants from Honduras, El Salvador, Brazil and Ecuador, said Alejandro Poire, spokesman for national security strategy.

"This discovery once again demonstrates the extreme danger and violence that Central Americans face on their treacherous journey north, as well as Mexican authorities' abject failure to protect them," Amnesty International said. "Mexico must immediately investigate this massacre, bring the perpetrators to justice and establish the identities of those killed so that their families can be informed."

Wednesday's gruesome discovery came about a month after authorities in the neighboring state of Nuevo Leon discovered 51 bodies in nine mass graves.

In that instance, investigators found charred remains, incinerated bone fragments and stains of fire on the ground where bodies were presumably burned in steel drums, the state-run Notimex news agency said.

Similar mass graves have been discovered in the Mexican states of Guerrero and Quintana Roo since late May. Authorities have linked them to Mexico's ongoing drug war.

Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas, which border Texas, have seen a marked increase in drug violence this year due to an intensifying rivalry between the Gulf cartel and the Zetas gang, which was formerly the cartel's armed branch.

More than 28,000 people have died in drug-related incidents since Calderon intensified the government's fight against drug cartels and organized crime after taking office in December 2006.

Title is a bit misleading, where does it mention tough immigration law?

[PornAffiliate]

Nationwide, more than 28,000 people have been killed since President Felipe Calderon launched his offensive against the cartels shortly after taking office in December 2006.

Really

[Caligari]

eh, this article is about murderous drug cartels- has nothing to do with tough immigration laws.

[gleem]

I think it's ridiculous we have 200k troops in the middle east fighting for who knows what anymore, and the real threats to our country are right here on our border and no one is willing to fight for our own borders to keep borders secure.

Pull the troops out of middle east and secure our borders, make a 10 mile no man's land south of our border and militarize it until the cartels are dealt with. Why is that so radical? Keep all legal border crossings open, and close off the rest.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by czarina

that's terrible, poor people! My heart goes out to their families

crime does not pay. thats what happens when you try to cheat the law.

[cyber]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

crime does not pay. thats what happens when you try to cheat the law.

They weren't criminals - they were poor men and women coming from south of Mexico (Central America and Brazil) who were trying to get to America. They weren't connected to the drug cartels in any way, shape or form.

I hope the Zetas burn in hell - or that any of the other cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel in particular seems to try to keep on the "good" side of the natives ...

The Zetas are the animals that throw live grenades into birthday parties, who storm into nightclubs and behead 5+ people.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by gleem

I think it's ridiculous we have 200k troops in the middle east fighting for who knows what anymore, and the real threats to our country are right here on our border and no one is willing to fight for our own borders to keep borders secure.

Pull the troops out of middle east and secure our borders, make a 10 mile no man's land south of our border and militarize it until the cartels are dealt with. Why is that so radical? Keep all legal border crossings open, and close off the rest.

I couldn't agree more. There is no reason that we should be helping a country that can't even defend themselves after how many years of training and supervision? It seems the government is more concerned and does a better job of securing other borders except our own. The middle east is nothing but a waste of money.

On another note, if the government took all the money wasted on this bogus war and gave it back to the people of America, this country would be sitting fat, but instead they feel it necessary to waste it on a 3rd world crap hole......

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by cyber

They weren't criminals - they were poor men and women coming from south of Mexico (Central America and Brazil) who were trying to get to America.

People who enter countries illegally, are criminals

[cyber]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

People who enter countries illegally, are criminals

He was comparing these people to the gangsters that behead police officers.

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

[Amputate Your Head]

End the war on drugs, end the killing.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by cyber

He was comparing these people to the gangsters that behead police officers.

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

I understand that. I was commenting about your statement regarding them being in Mexico illegally in lieu of coming to America illegally, which makes them criminals ;)

It amazes me that Mexico has such strict rules about immigration, but yet that POS president of Mexico condemns anyone that enforces the laws of their country while making claims America is treating his illegal immigrants poorly..... maybe he should look in the mirror and reflect on how he treats his own people or persons in his country illegally.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by cyber

He was comparing these people to the gangsters that behead police officers.

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

don't make statements for me. you lie with dogs you get fleas. they knew what they were doing was illegal. they won't be coming here to drain money out.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

don't make statements for me. you lie with dogs you get fleas. they knew what they were doing was illegal. they won't be coming here to drain money out.

the drug gangsters knew what they are doing is illegal too... not just the drug part, but the killing part too.... and they couldn't care less. Laws are like door locks. They only serve to keep honest people honest. They do nothing for those that don't give a fuck about the law. And this is why these threads go on and on and on... because you have this word.... "illegal".... stamped on your brain and you think others (everyone else) should respect the same laws you do....

they don't. And never will.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Title is a bit misleading, where does it mention tough immigration law?

Mexican investigators have asked diplomats from El Salvador, Honduras, Ecuador and Brazil to help identify the bodies of 72 presumed migrants

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

the drug gangsters knew what they are doing is illegal too... not just the drug part, but the killing part too.... and they couldn't care less. Laws are like door locks. They only serve to keep honest people honest. They do nothing for those that don't give a fuck about the law. And this is why these threads go on and on and on... because you have this word.... "illegal".... stamped on your brain and you think others (everyone else) should respect the same laws you do....

they don't. And never will.

true some people have to be put down like a rabid dog. offer rewards for cartel members dead or alive.

[Amputate Your Head]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

true some people have to be put down like a rabid dog. offer rewards for cartel members dead or alive.

hate to break it to you, but those guys are armed to the teeth and not afraid to take out anyone they need to. A reward for cartel members will only result in more dead non-cartel people. The last thing we need is a bunch of rednecks trying to chase down cartel soldiers. This isn't the movies.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

Mexican investigators have asked diplomats from El Salvador, Honduras, Ecuador and Brazil to help identify the bodies of 72 presumed migrants

And what does that have to do with "You think Arizona has tough immigration laws"?

I doubt it has anything to do with Arizona's tough immigration laws nor did the article mention immigration laws ;)

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head

hate to break it to you, but those guys are armed to the teeth and not afraid to take out anyone they need to. A reward for cartel members will only result in more dead non-cartel people. The last thing we need is a bunch of rednecks trying to chase down cartel soldiers. This isn't the movies.

mercenaries man. special ops kill their asses in their sleep or when they least expect it.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by bm bradley

Members of the Mexican navy were tipped off to the site after a man with a gunshot wound approached a military roadblock.

WOW!! Learn something new everyday. Did not know Mexico had a Navy. I would love to see pics of this so called Navy.


Where is ADG with the Mexican Navy pics??

[ottopottomouse]

So you just need to employ the drug cartels to manage the immigration problem with a price for every dead attempted-illegal-immigrant.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

And what does that have to do with "You think Arizona has tough immigration laws"?

I doubt it has anything to do with Arizona's tough immigration laws nor did the article mention immigration laws ;)

This would be a good example as to WHY Arizona has a tough law. I understood exactly what he was trying to say.

[Nikki_Licks]

Originally Posted by candyflip

This would be a good example as to WHY Arizona has a tough law. I understood exactly what he was trying to say.

Well, I am not following you here. How is it a good example of why AZ law is tough? We don't kill people for coming here illegally.....maybe I am missing something.