An excellent read.:thumbsup

Myth: People think no one will pay for porn.

Fact: Clips4Sale/clip stores are laughing all the way to the bank at $9.99 PER SCENE that people pay over and over again. Or buy hundreds of dollars at a time instead of a single $29.95 month membership.

People will pay for anything. IF you give them what they are looking for. Most mainstream porn is the same cookie cutter bullshit. People's tastes have become more refined now that there is greater choice and access with the advent of the internet. People are not going to 'settle' like we did in the past.

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Absolutely, I agree 100%. The consumers today know exactly what they want and consume a greater amount of it. :thumbsup

All true except for the tubes part...

Nasty Dollars owns Naked.com and Fling.com and those are just their bigger ones. They have several more cams and dating sites. Some that aren't part of any affiliate program.

So when they can fill tubes with licensed videos and make the money on their dating/cam sites, to them it isn't apples to oranges.... To them it is we sell the content and then we make real money no matter what so they love tubes.

Great observations, thank god there aren't too many Nasty Dollars out there. You should add Yankscash to your sig, we are different then all the one you have.

Not true. Take abbywinters.com, a website that in a niche I am familiar with. I can find some of their stuff on tubes and torrents but not nearly all of it. I can say the same about myself. Not to mention my point was really about the mindset of the consumer and always wanting more.

FACT: Even if you could get the 100th image for free someone will pay to enter an area where they think they might get the 101st even if it wasn't taken


Sorry not true. If I ditched my images out of the site my members would flip out. I am not suggesting launching an all image site, just simply that sex sells in all forms. As the porn pie grows it doesn't mean the fundamentals will disappear. I like porn, but I also like the SI swimsuit issue.


I think you would need to respond to some of the deeper arguments I made in regards to tube sites,a or even support some of the deeper arguments made against me for this statement to hold any weight.


I agree 100% interaction is necessary in some way. :thumbsup


Sorry I disagree again, if you are talking porn in general then yes, however people want specifics. The want to "enjoy" a brand new video in high quality of exactly what they want to see every day. Well produced niche content in HD is something tubes don't do well; Have you ever look at a yuvutu.com video on a full screen 55 inch tv? enough said

Your right they aren't and that is why the are so easy taken out by changes on the billing fronts. However branding without affiliates is simple, less then 4% of my total revenue comes from affiliates because I am not in a "sexy" niche and I am forced find other ways. Affiliates are great, but not necessary. Google, Yahoo and Review sites do just fine.


I agree, and I should have pointed that out in regards to cams and dating. I don't think it will go anywhere either. I agree it will thin out and evolve.

True, that fact isn't written well.

Thanks for the thoughts. I don't agree with many and I think you need to go deeper on some, but anybody who takes the time to respond is all good in my book. :thumbsup

Todd, great post.

But this is because of the economy, not because people have become smarter. People are fucking lazy. They don't want to search tubes looking for what they want to jerk off to. In one respect, you need to think of membership based sites as less of us selling porn, and more of being a directory for the type of porn they really want.

I went to the Tube sites and surfed them and after an hour was only able to find one video that interested me at all.

Two years ago people thought nothing of dropping $25 to get some good porn. Now it's another story, and everything is on the cheap.

Our business model is fine. The industry has changed. Tubes plays a roll in it. But the truth was our industry was new and exciting ten years ago. It's not now, and it's all over the Internet. Converstions of 1/200 are long gone. Everyone is bitching because the easy money is gone. And it's not coming back. But that's not to say that you can't make a profit in this industry!

Quick, how many clips4sale type sites are there out there that a making more than 10K a month in sales....

Fact, arguing or even debating with people online about this shit is a waste of time. The main purpose you people keep making threads saying why it wont be bad for you is because you are trying to make yourself feel better. You don't believe what other people have to say, you already have it all figured out that none of these things will affect your business and you will be fine. Everything is great!! no worries! so why are you even posting about it then? Time will tell.

Another Fact, the majority of you who thinks everything is ok and is carrying on with their head in the sand will be out of business in 2 years or less.

So many of you here are just simply in denial.

So what are you here for if this is a waste of time?

Feel better about what?

I do listen. I actually thought many people had good arguments. Especially TheDoc and Quentin in regards to mobile. I admit I educated myself a bit more about what they presented and while I still have some issues with their arguments, they were intelligent and well thought out.

And who said these things haven't had an affect? I don't mind throwing out numbers, I am down 40% from the good old days. I have no illusions as to the affect of any of the above. They are very real.

Why am I posting? Because I actually like this business and I want to be a part of what comes out of the ashes. Things will return to a balanced state, not 2002, but an equilibrium.

As for your bitterness I understand it. Although I gave you props for posting in this thread it is clear the most amount of thought that went into your post was repositioning the QUOTES.

The actually answers were for the most part shallow and weak. The only ones that were valid were those in which you agreed with me which I already pointed out.

FACT: You don't have a clue. You don't operate a pay site. You have never operated a pay site. You assume you know what you are talking about. You talk down to others that actually do have a clue and you look like an absolute fool as a result.

Myth: You are a marketing genius because you intimate that you are on GFY. You have a crystal ball and think you can see the future. You are somehow superior to others just because you think you are right and they are wrong.

damn that was a mighty fine 50 post Far-L. Where are you in Seattle btw? I used to live by your offices in Mission Valley, SD. First tour of an adult facility. Great company.

I live by Greenlake, little north of downtown. If you are ever up this way then please let me know. We are still in SD - have a building on Rainier right by the old office. We call it the "Citadel" since it sort of has a castle quality to it.

Thanks for the compliment btw; you are obviously not just a gentleman and a connesieur of fine wines, but also a judge of great porn as well! Hope all is well with you - always a ton of respect for what you have done and the way you have gone about it.:thumbsup

Thank you very much, I really appreciate the compliments. Billie and I actually live in Kirkland now. I would love to get together for a beer at some point. Shoot me an email, todd_dot_yanks.com or todd_dot_yankscash.com.

Homegrown Video facts and myths
 

FACT: Homegrown Video is the original company to distribute authentic amateur porn

FACT: Homegrown Video is "the longest running series in the history of porn" according to Newsweek magazine

FACT: Homegrown Video has won more AVN awards for amateur porn than any other company

FACT: Homegrown Video is synonomous with amateur porn, like Kleenex is to tissue

FACT: Homegrown Video is converting on tubes on average better than it did on TGP - at the height of TGP.

MYTH: My cock is insured by Llyods of London

MYTH: I used pulleys and cables for the infamous Flying Anal scene with Jeanna Fine

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