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Martin 08-16-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17420019)
2 outta 3 ain't bad! :1orglaugh

Just check into who was the first Government to use fluoride in the drinking water. Also, if enough people demand that it be removed it will be. So 0/3.:thumbsup

dyna mo 08-16-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17420032)
Just check into who was the first Government to use fluoride in the drinking water. Also, if enough people demand that it be removed it will be. So 0/3.:thumbsup

not really. again critical thinking leads me to KNOW there will never by an uprising of the people to stop fluoridation.

never.

i am well aware fluoridation started in the u.s. around the turn of the century, that does not discount the fact that you think it's an attempt to dumb down the masses and that your country is in on the conspiracy.

Ethersync 08-16-2010 04:44 PM

You guys can argue back and forth about this all you want, but the US government says that people are getting too much fluoride. There is a Congressional Research Service report on the subject. It basically says there is not too much in any one source, but when you add them all together people get too much.

TheDoc 08-16-2010 04:51 PM

Fluoride is found in most water sources naturally, for sure those coming off mountains and in under ground rivers/lakes, ie: most drinking water. You could drink water from a stream that has higher fluoride in it that water from the tap. Most people with soft water from wells have higher counts of fluoride than those with city tap water.

Water treatment plants often remove fluoride... they regulate it, they don't have to add it in unless they have to take something else out first, which is rather common - however they put back less fluoride than what was taken out.

dyna mo 08-16-2010 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethersync (Post 17420201)
You guys can argue back and forth about this all you want, but the US government says that people are getting too much fluoride. There is a Congressional Research Service report on the subject. It basically says there is not too much in any one source, but when you add them all together people get too much.

wait, i thought it was a well-planned out conspiracy orchestrated by the u.s. government over 100 years ago to keep us all dumbed down and on the government fluoride cheese.

why would they release such a report in light of the conspiracy.

Ethersync 08-16-2010 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17420225)
wait, i thought it was a well-planned out conspiracy orchestrated by the u.s. government over 100 years ago to keep us all dumbed down and on the government fluoride cheese.

why would they release such a report in light of the conspiracy.

Alex Jones might say it's because it's an internal congressional report that was not public until Wikileaks got a'hold of it :upsidedow

Quotes from the report:

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Because the use of fluoridated dental products and the consumption of food and beverages made with fluoridated water have increased since the PHS recommended optimal levels for fluoridation, many people now may be exposed to more fluoride than had been anticipated. Consequently, questions have emerged as to whether current water fluoridation practices and levels offer the most appropriate ways to provide the expected beneficial effects of fluoride while avoiding adverse effects (most commonly, tooth mottling or pitting — dental fluorosis) that may result from ingestion of too much fluoride when teeth are developing. Also, scientific uncertainty regarding the health effects of exposure to higher levels of fluoride add controversy to decisions regarding water fluoridation.
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As noted by the National Research Council (NRC) of the National Academy of Sciences in 1997,

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In addition to fluoride in drinking water, people also can ingest fluoride in toothpaste, mouth rinse, and dietary fluoride supplements or in beverages and foods prepared with fluoridated water. As a result, many Americans might ingest more “incidental” fluoride than was anticipated by the PHS [Public Health Service] and by EPA in recommending standards for drinking water. 16 18

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According to a 2002 study, fluorosis prevalence among schoolchildren in the 1980s ranged from 18% to 26%, depending on the analytical index used.
Nothing in the report about it dumbing us down, but it does talk about how it can fuck up our teeth and bones and that most in the medical community do not think there is a link to cancer, but more studies need to be done.

Martin 08-16-2010 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17420217)
Fluoride is found in most water sources naturally, for sure those coming off mountains and in under ground rivers/lakes, ie: most drinking water. You could drink water from a stream that has higher fluoride in it that water from the tap. Most people with soft water from wells have higher counts of fluoride than those with city tap water.

Water treatment plants often remove fluoride... they regulate it, they don't have to add it in unless they have to take something else out first, which is rather common - however they put back less fluoride than what was taken out.

This is what I found in regards to natural fluoride.

Fluoride, as such, is never added to the water. Only silicofluorides (a hazardous waste containing many toxic pollutants) are used to artificially fluoridate water, and studies have proven that they do not effectively prevent tooth decay, they only delay it. (See opposition's response to Question 4). Silicofluorides never occur naturally in nature, and they are 85 times more toxic than natural occurring calcium fluoride. Therefore, the effect on the entire body will be different.

This was proven in a study called, "Comparative Toxicity of Fluorine Compounds." After this study was completed, this statement was made: " ... this meant a daily intake of approximately 40 mg/kg of fluorine from sodium fluoride as compared with 3400 mg/kg from calcium fluoride. Therefore, from the standpoint of lethal concentrations and amount of fluorine necessary to cause growth inhibition, wide differences in toxicity of some of the compounds of fluoride were noted." (See 3-1: Industrial and Engineering Chemistry. July 1934, page 797). In other words, industrial waste (sodium fluoride) is 85 times more toxic than natural calcium fluoride. Both of them contain fluoride, but they are totally different compounds. (Also see 3-2).

Calcium is a well-known antidote for fluoride poisoning. When an antidote accompanies a poison, it makes the poison far less toxic to the body. Soft waters to which fluoride is artificially added lack this calcium which is present in most waters that contain natural fluoride.

Barry-xlovecam 08-16-2010 05:21 PM

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God willing, we will prevail in peace and freedom from fear and in true health through the purity and essence of our natural fluids. God bless you all ...

Ripper, Dr. Strangelove

DBS.US 08-16-2010 05:36 PM

Check out Sodium lauryl sulfate Bad stuff and it is in most all toothpaste and many hair shampoos.

Change your toothpaste and never get a sore throat again. :2 cents:


http://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/...ree-toothpaste :thumbsup

Amputate Your Head 08-16-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17420225)
wait, i thought it was a well-planned out conspiracy orchestrated by the u.s. government over 100 years ago to keep us all dumbed down and on the government fluoride cheese.

why would they release such a report in light of the conspiracy.

mmmmm.... government fluoride cheese.......

Amputate Your Head 08-16-2010 05:42 PM

50 lost teeth.

Dollarmansteve 08-16-2010 07:04 PM

ok.. soo what are the facts.

Fact: Oral health of populations that drink fluoridated water > than not. 50 odd years of empirical data.

Non-fact: Unsubstantiated nut job conspiracy theory

Martin 08-16-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17420481)
ok.. soo what are the facts.

Fact: Oral health of populations that drink fluoridated water > than not. 50 odd years of empirical data.

Non-fact: Unsubstantiated nut job conspiracy theory


Yea it's a nut job conspiracy theory to think drinking a toxic waste substance might not be good for you. My concerns are far from unsubstantiated. Been plenty of medical research done on this and lots of scientist, doctors and even dentist that have come out against water fluoridation. The risk/reward doesn't add up.

Martin 08-16-2010 07:49 PM

Yummmmmmmmmm..... Looks so tasty...:1orglaugh

http://withonebreath.files.wordpress...m-fluoride.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xEw_wnCvE_...ride_label.jpg

BlackCrayon 08-17-2010 06:04 AM

Interestingly enough, yesterday I read a report that 91% of canadians tested has bispheonal A in their urine/blood. And while many companies have stopped making products using it, paper receipts apparently have a bunch of it for some reason.

In regards to bottled water...yeah its not a good alternative but no matter if its coming from bottles or your tap, fact is the water travels through plastic no matter what. ANd of course, you need to recycle your plastics but I wish there was a better alternative. I know bottled water comes from tap most of the time but its the way its filtered, with reverse osmosis rather that chlorine.

I was doing some reading on floridation in Canada. The majority of Quebec and BC do not floridate their water, yet have some of the lowest tooth decay whereas Ontario, where every municipality floridates has the highest. Just in May Gatineau, Quebec (right across the river from me) turned down the opportunity to floridate the water believing the citizens did not want it.

Martin 08-18-2010 09:58 AM

The following documents why our union, formerly National Federation of Federal Employees Local 2050 and since April 1998 Chapter 280 of the National Treasury Employees Union, took the stand it did opposing fluoridation of drinking water supplies. Our union is comprised of and represents the approximately 1500 scientists, lawyers, engineers and other professional employees at EPA (ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY) Headquarters here in Washington, D.C.

http://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluori...0-Fluoride.htm


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