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Anyone that says rock sucks isn't listening to much music. Satellite is where its at. Also, use a LastFm or Grooveshark to find stuff for you, based on artists you already like. |
Thanks for that post FetishWeb. Lamenting rock guitar is the equivalent of lamenting the death of disco but 50 year old dudes with mullets are too cool for disco, the irony. Had a chance to catch Fred Frith recently, still going strong after 40 years. One of the great guitarists of this century, his timeless or out-of-time music will be influencing future generations of guitar players long after Slash (seriously, did the OP actually mention Slash?) has been washed away by the tides of time.
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Pete Townshend Stephen Stills Jimi Hendryx Alex Lifeson Ritchie Blackmore Carlos Santana I could go on and on but what's the point. You know it's true as well as I do. I assume you have ears. But generational pride and youthful hubris makes you post in defense of noise. Admit it, you go home, put on some Pink Floyd and jack off to David Gilmour's solo from 'Mother', now don't you? :thumbsup PS: Eddie Van Halen |
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Tom Verlaine = FAIL
Ash Bowie = FAIL Lee Ranaldo = FAIL All quite "good" but not "as good" as the ones I mentioned. Besides, this isn't about "personal preference"; this is about whether or not today's guitarists, on a whole/as a group, have either the chops their elders had (they don't) or can they/do they run off amazing SOLOS like they used to "back in the day" ('Freebird'-style). They don't. Denial is a river in Egypt. |
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The new Avenged Sevenfold disc is great, if you like hard rock and lots of guitar solos.
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Of course, there's another way of looking at it. We're getting OLD. Remember when you were a kid and your parents hated the music that you listened to? Same thing today.
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February 3, 1959.
My Dad was only seven but he tells me that when he heard the news on the radio he knew that his life had somehow changed. And he also says that he remembers that he cried on the Day The Music Died. He also remembers that his parents would not console him because he wasn't supposed to be listening to that "jungle music". Dad would turn the radio to 710 AM, WHB, World's Happiest Broadcasters, when his parents weren't home. WHB was a pioneer in Top 40 and Dad still keeps the radio in his first car set on AM 710, even though it is now a different format. He has a concealed FM radio for the Oldies and current Rock' Roll.
WHB: http://www.worldshappiestbroadcasters.com/ Some people think that Dad is half a bubble off plumb but he is a die-hard Rocker and always will be. His first car is named "Teri's" and his hot rod, a '41 Cadillac 62 Series De Luxe coupe with a '64 Cad 390 equipped with an early El Dorado six-pack setup is named "Twilight Time". Well, the motor is bored and stroked up to like 460 and maybe does 425 HP but that is not the issue as on the highway it will yield around 19-20 mpg if he keeps his foot out of it but he says there is no fun in keeping his foot out of it, so there ya go. Just can't get past the sound of those six barrels sucking in! He knows Junior Johnson. He builds his own engines. And............................................... ................. .......he gave me his Corvette! 1968 427-cid 435-hp V-8 with 11.0:1 compression ratio, 4-speed manual transmission, and three two-barrel carburetors. With A/C. Safari Yellow. Black interior. Convertible. 80,000 miles. ROCK AND ROLL! Sally. |
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Mos Def plays bass, RZA plays guitar, Kanye West plays piano, etc. Get out, moron. |
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Edge (U2) Tom Morello Synyster Gates Tariqh Akoni And theyre just a few "big" names. There's SO many that are better than the regarded top guitarists that are not in rock. |
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NOT heavy metal, alternative, speed metal, death metal, grunge, etc etc etc. ROCK and ROLL. Keith Richards, Pete Townshend, Dave Davies ROCK and ROLL. This isn't "list your favorite guitarist" thread. This is "there ain't anyone as good IN ROCK AND ROLL anymore as the above mentioned" thread. Shit, Jose Felliciano could pick a mean latin acoustic guitar but AGAIN: ROCK and ROLL. |
Saying guitar music is dead because 80's shredding is currently lamer than Van Halen's fishnets is basically like wearing a sign that says "I'm wilfully musically ignorant".
And the only person to mention either Paco or Di Meola agrees with me heh. |
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We're also talking rock guitar, see thread title. There were 0 misinterpretations in my list. The topic also transformed into an all around guitarist when the debate on eras was brought up. |
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^^^ Best gig I've ever been to in my entire life. |
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The dude in Pelican plays with an e-bow too. Guitars have so much latent potential that goes beyond speed chord progressions. Bringing out this potential whilst gentling balancing or even creating tension between harmony and discordance is what turns a guitar hero master into an artist. None of those 60's/70's guitarists aside from maybe Hendrix made me think of guitar playing in a new way; they all lacked a cerebral element, completely drab. And after a while it just became so repetitive, thank god for no wave.
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The music industry started to really change the day MTV started broadcasting and the video became as important as the song. Then it became more important than the song.
Then piracy hit the business and record companies realised the money was to be made in getting as many acts out there for their 5 minutes of fame before they died a death. Commercially speaking. If you look at the past legends and see how long it took for them to perfect their art and techniques you can see why they will never come back to the same prominence. Bands would be on the road for years gaining experience and developing their talents. Today they are famous and back flipping burgers in less time. Even fringe bands, the same rule applies. |
Rock isn't dead. Kids today are not into Rock BECAUSE their aging parents still listen to it! Kids do not want to listen to the same shit their parents do. Rock music is a form of rebellion against parents and society. Because all these aging adults haven't moved on to Jazz and classical music, kids today are stuck with this disco funk dance hip hop shit because their Parents don't listen to music that you can dance to.
In about 15 to 20 more years, rock will be back in style again. With an angry broke ass nation knee deep in a major depression, rock will spawn again from the angry voices of the new generation. Some of us will see this in our late 70's and 80's. Today's kids are not angry enough to even write a rock song anyways. Today's music is all about glam, hype, gold chains and who has the cutest face, even though they can't sign for shit. (Taylor Swift good example of a no talent studio peice of crap. I'll take Grace Slick any day) Rock will never die... it's just on a break. |
You are just seeing an evolution that I lived through repeat itself. I played lead trumpet in Big Bands in the late 50's and early 60's. Played for Tommy Dorsey, Buddy Rich and others. I got out of it in the late 60's cause Big Bands were dying off and the traveling was getting to me.
You are witnessing another generation of the same thing I lived through. Screaming guitars, singers with the mike in their mouth yelling so bad you can't understand a word they are saying ... IT IS DEAD OR SERIOUSLY ON ITS DEATH BED. It's the music evolution. |
I still have my file crate full of LP's, my guitar, and some headphones. So for me it's still 1981 or so in terms of rock music. Every. Day.
And as for the rest, index fingers in ears, la la la la la I cant hear you. |
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as long as Gwar is around rock will live forever! :)
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The point isn't how fast you play - that's why I made this post. Speed is irrelevant - it has nothing to do with music. Too many kids today think their nonsensial wanking id actual music. Har de har you fucking pussy. |
Guys, you're missing the point. Name one guitar player who can capture the imagination of today's music audience.
There are none. Jack White is as close as you'll get - and he's niche. Twenty years ago, everyone and their mother knew about Jimmy Page. Ted Nugent. Brian Setser. George Thorogood. Stevie Ray Vaughn. Eddie Van Halen. The Fucking Reverend Bill G. Even Slash. Name me one guitar player who has a hit record (mp3 - whatever) right now. Today. List a song that is a hit today, that is made famous because of the man playing guitar. -OR- Post a band that is huge, who's guitar player gets all the press and glory. You'll be going back twenty yers. |
This thread is frustrating. I think people should stop complaining about the old days and accept that life changes without them.
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I also learned to play form Joe Walsh, Joe Perry, and Ace Frehley. That is all irrlevant and off topic. There are no new bands who create popular music where the guitar player is the star. Get it? The guitar player is no longer the star of the show. That was the point. You missed it. |
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I'm talking about straight ahead rock and roll music. Music that was created by real men who would pound your little "Jersey Shore" asslicking pussy face into the ground. Your opinion is useless to this post. Name a guitar player who's had a hit record in the last twenty years. Rock and Roll is guitar oriented nusic. There have been no rock guitar plsyers for almost thirty years. Rock and Roll = Guitar. Beside Jack White, name one oerson who is keeping Rock and Roll alive. |
Go ahead and link me a riff. Link me a guitar riff.
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John Frusciante Edge (U2) Tom Morello Synyster Gates Tariqh Akoni |
There was a time when big band and jazz was the pop music of the day. I used to wonder when the basic rock format of bass, drums, guitar, singer (and sometimes keys) would give way to a new format. I suppose it has, to some extent. I'm not sure it bothers me or not. I enjoy what I enjoy and there is still plenty of it to be had. Others enjoy what they like (be it rap - hip.hop or whatever) and they get to have fun too. What I do miss as a fan of rock, though, is bands taking chances with it. It's not popular enough to be formulaic so why not stretch out and do some things with the arrangements?
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not only is rock guitar not dead its being learned rather well by the youngins:)
http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/sto...age-with-ozzy/ 10 year old shredder jams live with Ozzy...holy shit! |
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Dave Matthews? Yeah I know I'm talking singer/songwriters here, but these are two guys that have distinguished themselves based on their guitar-playing abilities. |
After Slash I can only think of Tom Morello. I know what he does ain't exactly rock n' roll but it's the closest one that comes to mind. There's John Frusciante too but he's too much of a Hendrix imitator IMHO. Jack White is also an option, I totally agree that Rock N' Roll is dead or dying. Today's music sucks, I find myself listening all the time to bands like AC/DC, Iron Maiden or guys who've been around for 20 or 30 years already. :2 cents:
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Check out shintake14's youtube channel. Hey, at least you can listen to a few covers done well and with style.
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Garce is right. I've always listed to the classic stuff but have also always had my ear to rail for good new stuff, standout stuff, "future classic" stuff as it were. The train slowed to a trickle 10-15 years ago and has now all but stopped. I've been waiting to see what today's music has in store that is worthy of what came before it but sadly, it just doesn't seem to be there. I like the odd song here or there but I couldn't tell you the name of the band in many cases much less the guitarists' name. Few stand out today. Not like the late 70's - early 80's when everyone knew who Brian May was, who Eddie was, who Angus was, Page, Clapton, Frampton, and on and on. Music industry's fault? No doubt about it but perhaps it's a shared fault between it and this new young generation of kids who'd rather dis the older and wiser than go out and create something that stands out from the rest and is worthy of what came before it. Where are today's gods of rock? Gardening you say? How sad. |
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