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Without facts this thread is useless. :error
Beyond the fact that it's against GFY rules to call someone a scammer or say they're scamming without providing proof, it actually DOES make you look like a loon when you keep saying you have proof and don't post it. If you have proof, now's the time to show it before the ban-hammer strikes. |
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https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=982701 Now it really does tie in with what I have to share... not sure if it is a preemptive strike from them or someone just trying to further enlighten you ccbill drones who call me a loon, you should be ashamed of yourselves... What the fuck do you think I have to gain from making these statements, you think I need your attention.... let me assure you I don't need attention from any of you! I receive no brownie points, hell I hardly receive any back up from the rest of you but its cool. After this comes out, I won't use GFY for anything again. I pursue this because I am stats hog, and I became very close to my stats over the years and knew them like the back of my hand. Then I started seeing EXTREMELY Bizarre patterns that I have never seen after 5 years, and started asking questions getting no where but anyways now I am more interested in this new thread... I don't know who dropped the following thread but what I have to share is now the least of ccbill's worries.......... Timing could not be better! check this and we shall return https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=982701 |
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??????
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=982701 I kNOW IT MUST BE A SIDE ISSUE...NOTHING TO DO WITH ERRONEOUS STATS REPORTING... NOTHING TO SEE GFY GO BACK TO SLEEP...DRINK YOUR TAP WATER, BREATHE YOUR SKY VITAMINS ..... EVERYTHING IS FINE, there is no way there could ever be an issue with ccbill ... B V and ccbill said so...it is settled thank you that is all! WOW, if what I had to share was a hand grenade then this info should be a nuclear bomb UN FUCKING REAL .... we Must be approaching the singularity |
Stop the Joan of Arc impression and just post what you have.
My God, is it all that difficult to be forthcoming? Or are you wanting to see who can be more deflective with the facts, you or CCBill? So far, you're winning. |
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the following thread is a whole new can of worms that has been opened just tonight 8-16-2010 10:30 Pm eastern time, I suggest you read it yourself and see if my information is still needed! I mean if this is even half true whats in this thread then I repeat Swirlsgirl is the least of there problems right now https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=982701 |
I'm not a casual reader and the other thread offers nothing new if no one else in this thread is seeing what you saw. Unless some hacker has found the same exploit and is only after YOU. I followed the same steps as stever and got perfectly good data as well.
I honestly can't understand why you just can't come out and disclose whatever smoking gun evidence you have. Is it really that difficult? You seem articulate enough, surely you can explain why you think some or all of CCBill employees are involved in a scam, as you claimed earlier. As for the whole new "can of worms" from the other thread, why can't you just finish your own? FWIW, I'm not interested in protecting CCBill but since I use them I want to protect my business, so maybe I want to know what you've discovered. You claim to have important information. Quit shitting around and just post it! |
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Please post evidence or kindly stfu. thanks! |
The drama builds...now I wanna know WTF is going on, too. When I complain I either post traffic stats or am inquiring in a general "not just me" kind of way. So time to post some proof here please.
PS: Fiddy CCBill allegations |
I've been reading this thread since it started, and now I will finally chime in (not that anyone was waiting or will care lol)
SwirlsGirl your posts in this thread are 'radio gold' you're whining that no one seems to care, but you have provided NOTHING but intense vague fragmented sentences, the ONLY thing you've actually spit out so far was that your form hits were the EXACT SAME Number on multiple days. OMFG lemme whip out my tinfoil hat and call my friend Chicken little over to help me put it on........ Oh wait.... CCBILL has already addressed that same issue, stats older then X are GROUP (form hits) so I would not be shocked that stats from 2007 2008 (2-3 years old) that you are sitting in this thread yelling and screaming about would be diff then what you might (and should have) saved copies of. You have given NO information, only CLAIMS that you have this great smoking gun, so don't be surprised if no one is jumping to your side on this. Post some info or shut up. GFY MODS I do believe that this thread is a violation of the rules, SwirlsGirl IS calling CCBILL a scammer, however vague that's STILL the general premise of the thread. -Loki- |
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We aren't "casual readers skimming". I'm willing to bet at least 98% of the real webmasters on here receive a check from CCBILL every week either as a program owner or affiliate. On-top of that some of us do have concerns with issues with CCBILL, (myself being included). If you have something to share, share it. Don't make 15 posts attacking their integrity and how they "dun fucked up". It's times like this Eric's rule makes the most sense. Without factual evidence you should not be attacking them or accusing them of anything in this ridiculous excuse for a thread. I quoted the questionable bullshit below..I think you need to post proof or evidence, now. Quote:
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Fact 1. On saturday august 14th we are examining stats from past month and noticed a very strange and concerning pattern. It was only after manually writing down the stats on pieces of paper with columns and laying them side by side on the table examining form hits vs submission percentages vs joins ...this way of viewing ccbill stats gives you a slightly different perspective than viewing stats in the ccbill admin. Try it yourself you will see what we mean. Fact 2. We decided that it would be worth having a look at identical older stats from previous years because for the most part our sales patterns have had the same peeks and lows over the years, and have been consistent and we felt that data would prove valuable for comparison purposes. Fact 3. we noticed on saturday that when we tried to pull older reports which have always worked for us in the past that for some reason the stats were displaying incorrectly...Now immediately this was suspect for us because we felt like that looking closely at older data would shed some light on these erratic patterns of late. follow me so far Fact 4. A call is placed to ccbill, and asked them before sharing any concerns, "are their any issues going on with stats reporting?" CCBILL rep responds no issues reported at all with stats. Fact 5. The ccbill rep himself tries to pull the same reports as we did from 2007 and even he acknowledges this is strange, not sure why you are getting these incorrect reports. Now before I go further since you all feel the need to lecture me, You need to understand that all we as clients have is the word of ccbill and our stats to satisfy our curiosity. Fact 6. The ccbill rep said he wanted to check into this because he had never seen this before, and could not offer any acceptable reason. He understood completely that when you have INACCURATE STATS REPORTING of any type it is a cause for concern, especially in today's world, and when you are dealing with money...your stats need to be accurate at all times...PERIOD Fact 7. He assures me that he will talk to some techs and follow up with an email...okay end of discussion. Fact 8. I Come to my precious GFY family (even though they treat me like the BLACK SHEEP...no pun intended) to find out if this is a local issue with my stats or is anyone else having this issue... Fact 9. Some GFY members said they had no problem, then some said they did have the same problem. Fact 10. Mr CCbill Paul Himself comes on GFY and says he is not aware of any problem with stats reporting... Let's sum this up briefly... stats Reporting issues discovered by us on saturday 8-14-2010 that none of us webmasters seem to be aware of... CCbill Paul comes on GFY moments later and claims he is unaware of any stats reporting issues, ccbill Rep on telephone is initially unaware of any stats reporting issues and admits it is indeed strange to be getting erroneous reports and he can certainly understand why one would be concerned... So we have the ccbill corporate advocate who is always the first to come in address concerns ...nothing wrong with that, he's doing his job right? He has on numerous occasions assured all of the webmasters that all systems are go and nothing was wrong when many have insisted and still insist something doesn't look right with their stats.... Remember ccbill paul made a total of 3 posts in this thread about how there were no issues with stats reporting... pkay case settled right no issues according to him... so then we receive the following email from ccbill... "This is in regard to the phone call you just placed with us. I spoke with our tier 2 agent, he advised me that the Form Hits report has been filed as a known bug for inaccuracy. This issue has been known by our Development department for sometime now, and they are trying to isolate why it would sometimes be accurate and sometimes not be accurate. It was my mistake to think that our reports back then were weekly, but instead it's a bug. I hope was able to address all your concerns." Now the email explanation seemed plausible at first, but then after further review and break down we reached a few more conclusions... Fact 11. What we have in our possession is an email from ccbill acknowledging that not only is there a bug/error with stats reporting...BUT this is an issue That the DEVELOPEMENT TEAM has been aware of FOR SOME TIME!! Okay slow it down a second, now go back and read ccbill paul's second post in this thread...he said at approximately 1:49 pm that he was unaware of any reporting issues! He said it again three hours later around 5:12 that he would update the thread if he found any stats reporting issues. Of particular note, the only one who came in during the 3 hour window Between CCBILL Paul's post was ...you guessed it BV the one who always defends CCBILL with such vigor and Zeal .......I mean CCBILL doesn't even defend CCbill as well as BV.. but getting back to the email .... what is quite disturbing to me and still is that the email gave me more questions... 1. SO if you read the letter they are admitting that there is an error with the reports... one that CCBILL PAUL and CCBILL BV are not aware of, nor is the CCBILL phone rep, however the CCBILL DEVLOPEMENT team has been aware of this error for some time. Not only are they aware of issues with reports but they are clueless as to why sometimes the stats are accurate and sometimes the stats are INACCURATE?? Now sometimes stats are inaccurate and we don't know why... Now sometimes stats are inaccurate and we don't know why... Now sometimes stats are inaccurate and we don't know why... ( please excuse my little dose of N.L.P to make the point stick) Ok well when and how am I supposed to know when the stats are inaccurate or accurate when there is nothing in ccbill admin that says "ERROR" then the CCBill operations specialist is on gfy denying reporting issues exist every chance he gets, the telephone rep, who you would expect to be briefed and up to spec on current bugs,glitches,errors none of us webmasters know, but you have a tier 2 tech, as well as developement team knowing about this for some time, and can't get it fixed so I can have unfettered access to all my data in my reports Don't tell me well thats old stats.... now if they are admitting to having known inaccuracies with stats and they don't know why...not only should you be concerned about the accuracy of ALL your stats, but they should explain why they have been telling the dozens and dozens of webmasters who insisted that their stats looked funny that there have been INACCURACIES that they cannot explain At least it would make them appear to not be hiding or covering up REPORTING ISSUES... They sat back for a year and told all these webmasters who question their stats that nothing is wrong,,,but they let an email slip out that says they do in fact have unexplainable inaccuracies that have been around... I meant ain't that a bitch??@#? your data is your data, and is relevant and should be accurate and available,if it is not, you should not have to find out on your own while the premier pr person is telling you multiple times there are no issues....then you find out its been ongoing If CCBILL paul admits he was in the dark about this, how can we know he is not in the dark about other issues or concerns? I mean I would like to know are the stats inaccurate in days when I have 0% join form submissions with ccbill, but then have moderate sales on back up processors the same day? At the worst it shows the more answers we get the more questions we have, at best it shows ineptitude and extreme miscommunication by and between ccbill staff . You cannot say they are beyond reproach and 100% reliable with their data when they just admitted they don't know why there data is sometimes accurate and sometimes not! if u want to say ccbill paul made a mistake this time, then let HIM admit his mistake if you want to call me a lunatic, nobody is stopping you, but I will know where I stand from this point on with my beloved gfy family I mean they just admitted on record that there are stats reporting bugs that have been in existance for some time that they have no clue as to how to resolve AND that it causes DATA to be sometimes accurate, and sometimes inaccurate! To me that is a profound statement, if that does not concern anyone else then I have no use for this place ever again.. Do you know how many webmasters have seemed to just want ccbill to admit what they just admitted in this email?? Bottom line I can't prove that they are engaged in some type of fraud nor did I accuse them...I said they fucked up and put their foot in their mouth! there is still a lot more questions than answers, am I totally disgruntled with them..No..Have they paid me on time, forever...yes! Do they have a good reputation...yes Do many webmasters feel there could be something shady going on...yes Do many webmasters feel they are square and honest across the board...certainly yes Have I been burned for 10's of thousands of dollars by multiple processing companies in my career...as well as victim of mortgage fraud, twice... am I a little overzealous when I smell something fishy with my money...maybe but it is because of the hard lessons I have learned being too trusting with individuals and companies with my money that has cost me more than I wish to remind myself over the years |
With the new CCBILL vulnerabilities thread, Who knows what to think anymore...if half of what that thread mentions about them being vulnerable then maybe they are not culpable for the errant reporting,data insecurity,join credit discrepancies...
nothing slanderous about that, these issues have all been raised, and now that we have a thread discussing how unsecure their secure servers are, then it really needs to be looked into... If we find out that all of our concerns were generated from unscrupulous hackers then hey I will be the first to come in and eat Crow, believe me I have tasted much worse..but until then they will remain highly suspect to me as are all companies that deal with your money should be to you. |
All this for years ago form hits?
I understand you want to have correct info, but come on. and sure you can always put the "what If's" like if form hits are messed up the so must be ______________________. |
What a long-winded post of absolutely nothing. :error
You got paid for actual joins, didn't you? Nothing in your posts suggests otherwise, so what you're really complaining about is some random reporting error of archived data that no one else in this thread has encountered. I've seen things like this from time to time and they go away all by themselves. I am sure that every username in my password file has come from a legitimate (i.e. paid) join. No other statistic matters. You seem to have been in this business long enough to realize that not every support staff member is aware of everything that goes on, or is even competent. You know, the other day I asked a guy at Home Depot where something was and he pointed me to the exact opposite side of the store than he should have. I'm sure he was running some kind of scam. |
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I guess its nothing then... we don't need no stinking accurate stats,and we certainly don't need company reps to have their facts straight,
Who cares as long as you get SOME joins,don't look for inaccuracies or inconsistencies Who needs their stats to be functioning accurately at all times its only meaningless data that serves no purpose. I need to just be glad that I have some sales. I need to have full confidence and allegiance in my processing company. Any conflicting or confusing information should always be regarded as miscommunication or human error. I should quit seeing the billing company as one who should be held accountable to me, I am there to generate processing fees for their staff and never doubt or question things that don't make sense to me. Imagine if my bank has told me from time to time that my deposits, and withdrawals are inaccurate and they've known about the problem but don't know how to fix it.. my confidence would skyrocket, after all they are a bank and SHOULD BE TRUSTED REGARDLESS or at least given the benefit of the doubt. meanwhile my friends and family make bank withdrawals and deposits and many say something is off with their transactions... they just don't add up.... but the bank rep is telling everyone there are no issues with transactions being inaccurate... then you hear from a teller that there is a problem the bank has known about for sometime...but you did not know and the bank rep did not know.... Makes sense now... "Dr. how accurate is that EKG machine that you are connecting me to..." "well there are no issues with it ...I would let you know if there were" "but the nurse just told me the machine gives inaccurate data from time to time and you guys don't know why or how to fix it" "Yeah but its just heart rate data, you really don't need it to be accurate all the time you know...here take a deep breath and start this treadmill" |
Complaining about bugs, incompetent support staff, and inadequate reporting tools is one thing. All of these are problems CCBill has.
Suggesting - no ACTUALLY saying - there's some Maleficent working at CCBill involved in a scam is something else. What you've done is waste everyone's time. And it's not the first. |
please do us all a favor and use a different processor
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LOL at this thread.
News flash - sometimes extremely large databases & programs develop bugs. The bugs can be difficult to locate when you deal with millions of lines of code/matrices. & big companies don't publish every bug to their customer service dept. Oftentimes bugs lay undiscovered until the customer finds them. This board is like a retard convention sometimes. |
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What a gripping tale! I'm on the edge of my seat here.
Will CCBill be outed for inconsistencies in their reporting? Will SwirlsGirl switch to a different processor and leave this mess behind her? Stay tuned for the next episode of As The Stomach Turns. |
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