What about veggie soup? (100% veggies)

Does boiling it in water make them lose a lot of their nutrition?

I was getting a great deal (by UK standards) on All The Whey and it had a great taste. I have a tub of dymatize in my cupboard with just one serving used (toffee cream) and it's going to stay that way coz it tastes horrible. It has a very chalky taste to it. Scivation is excellent in profile and in taste and the next time it comes available I'm buying about 4 or 5 10lb tubs!

Have heard good things about ON but it costs an arm and a leg here so I gave it a pass. Just ordered a tub of Sci-Mentor today, will let you know how it tastes.

Wish the protein bars didn't cost as much as they do because they would come in handy whenever I'm out or away from home.

i'm with the demon, i like myofusion a lot, sometimes i will go with syntha-6 and occasionally i will use 50% hemp protein. The myofusion is a great price (~$40 at amazon for 5 pounds) the banana and chocolate/peanut butter are my 2 fav flavors. in fact, i think gaspari nutriton makes several good products, myo being one of them.

i don't have any experience with salba. it seems similar to chia seeds, which i eat a lot of daily. lot's of fiber and omega 3's and a few other nutrients. perhaps someone here who consumes salba can reply with info..........

i do consume hemp protein, but have not eaten hemp hearts. hemp, in it's various forms has some good nutrients, protein, etc. the problem is the taste. it really tastes bad and needs to be covered up with something that tastes good. I don't know if the hemp hearts have this same issue or not though.


heat will certainly impact the nutrition content of foods. it's best to avoid high heat for extended periods. re: veg soup, the nutrients will transfer to the broth if they are not lost to high heat so i would suggest cooking at a low simmer for as short of time as possible and consume the broth as well as the vegetables.

Salba is White Chia seeds ... that have been grown under the strictest controls in the nutrient rich soil of Peru ... Basically the info you have provided matches their claims ... so it sounds like they may be the real deal.

As for the Hemp Hearts, you really should try them! They are slow roasted, and have a taste very similar to walnuts! I love to eat them with peanut butter on toast, and sometimes even sprinkle some cinnamon on it too!

Having consumed my fair share of pot cookies/brownies as a kid, I was hesitant about the taste too, but I was REALLY pleasantly surprised!! They can very easily be eaten straight from the package with no masking agent!

Thank you for taking the time to start this thread ... on GFY nonetheless! AWESOME!

ON is amazing in taste. Both the Vanilla and Cookies N Cream are fantastic. Dymatize has amazing chocolate and chocolate BP. Scivation is too expensive. And I wouldn't touch protein bars with the amount of shit they actually have in them. In America, AllTheWay is expensive. I might start looking at Isopure because of it having no carbs but it's also mad expensive.

hah! too funny eh. i didn't know salba = white chia seeds lol. good to know. i replaced my fish oil pill with chia seeds a few months ago and enjoy eating them. + they hold 8x their weight of water so they contribute significantly to hydration by slowing the time it takes for h20 to pass through the digestive system, all around a terrific food.

i'll pick up some hemp hearts at whole foods later today and give em a whirl, thanks for the suggestion and comments! :thumbsup

Yeah, I have a question that's been bugging the hell out of me. Aside from a three month hiatus due to being pissed at the rates my former gym was charging (before getting a new membership at a cheaper place this month), I have spent the past 15 months working out about 2 times per week.

I normally just do strength training and cardio. I'm 5'9" and I have not gained or lost weight since I started. I'm about 220 (I swing between 215-220 normally). As far as the bullshit BMI goes, I'm considered to be a land barge. However, I comfortably wear 36 jeans, and although I do have some stomach fat that needs trimming away, I'm by no means "fat".

I've increased my upper body muscle mass and definition considerably, and improved my cardio shape, but I still weigh in like I'm made of cinder blocks. UFC fighters who are my height, and have twice as much muscle as I do weight in at 180.

My question is, where the FUCK is this FORTY pounds? Is it really all fat?

dyna mo

Can you contact me I have some questions for you about this stuff :)

Looking for some feedback on my diet and what I should eat.

ahem 8char

Why base your readings on BMI - it's a bit outdated. Go to your local gym and have one of them measure body fat with calipers.

What sort of cardio are you doing? If your body is in a caloric deficit, there is no way you shouldn't be losing weight. It's a fine line between losing weight and gaining muscle at the same time so you need to do the cardio (fasted preferrably), eat right and lift heavy.

i actually have no idea. perhaps dlxphil or someone with a better understanding of body composition can weigh in to give you some ideas. have you had a hydrostatic measurement done? it will give you an accurate measurement on where you weight is- muscles, fat, bones, etc. :)

sending an email to the addy in your sig eh.

My cardio is either basketball or on the elliptical machine. when on the elliptical, I do a five minute warmup and a twenty minute post-workout run, at about 150bpm heart rate.

I lift on the medium-heavy side, usually doing three sets of 12 on a weight that has me floundering at the end of my last set.

I have a bears appetite though, and I eat lots of lean protein on the days I work out.

Where can one get that measurement taken?

austin, tx
http://www.castlehillfitness.com/bod...on-testing.php

houston
Memorial Hermann's Sports Medicine dept (specifically Human Health & Performance Testing) does hydrostatic weighing for $32.25. This is at 6400 Fannin, suite 1620.

dallas
Dallas Texins Activity Center

Very cool - thanks!

Muscle weighs a lot more than fat. People don't realize that 80% of the body transformation comes from the kitchen. If you're eating above maintenance, then you're going to gain muscle/fat.

Been there twice, definitely worth the money.

After the suggestions in your previous thread, I began to take a look at trying out CKD.

Here is what I put together so far for the carb-up phase, which seems to be much harder to do than the no-carb phase. Any thoughts?

Please keep in mind, that my products are rather limited, so suggesting specific brands, they likely won't have them here in Costa Rica :)

http://keithbussey.com/ckd.html

Honestly dude, you're going about this backwards. The carb up day is the EASIEST day. Depending on your level of activity, you should be having 400-600 carbs that day. I suggest clean carbs but that's the day you can TRULY eat bad foods as long as you don't go over your maintenance. Scheduling your 4-5 meals a day is the hardest for your low carb days..

Try pea pods instead of chips. Alaskan snow peas, mangetout, sugar snap peas.. all peas in a pod by whatever name. Best raw IMHO. Really good and crunchy.

Sweet potato fries/chips are also good.

Well, I don't find it the easiest, I find eating no carbs much easier, but hey we are all different :)

For the Carb-loading phase, what I saw recommended was:

10-12 grams Carbs per lean kilogram of bodyweight
1g protein per lean pound of bodyweight
X grams of fat below your lean bodyweight in kilos

Do you follow a different formula to only have 400-600 grams ?

I also plan to adjust it every week, of course, that was just something to get me started which fit in

Our grocery stores here offer canned peas, and canned peas only. No raw peas or exotic types such as what you are listing...I do like wasabi peas though which aren't that bad.

that looks like a pretty well thought out 2 day carb loading to me. i'd go ahead with the ckd and see how you respond. getting through the 1st 2 weeks as the metabolism adjusts to getting energy from fat is the hardest.

if you haven't seen these already, here are several xcllnt articles on the topic
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=Keto

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do they have edamame available there? another pod vegetable chocked with nutrition.

That post says the same thing:

"What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg."

260 lbs * 0.70 (lean weight) / 2.2 (convert to kilos) = 82.6 lean kilos

82.6 lean kilos * 10g to 12g = 826g to 991g

I'm not seeing where the error in my math is to get to 400 - 600 carbs ?

I highly recommend that you don't do a 2 day carb up. In fact, when starting CKD, you don't carb up until the 2nd week. Two day carb ups are for people who are in the 10%-11% body fat range or even lower.

There is no error in your math.

Yeah I plan to start on it as soon as I get back from a trip to Montreal next week; as today and tomorrow I'm finishing my detox plan, Saturday I have my birthday weekend partying, then next week leave to Montreal where I'm sure I'll indulge in some of the stuff I've missed for the past few years, plus attending a wedding and Qwebec Expo heh.

I'll keep you guys updated how it goes once I do get started with it.

I've read some of those, but will read through the rest, thanks

I thought your previous post told me I should be having 400 - 600 carbs...if you meant something else, I guess I misunderstood that statement then, no worries :)

i am looking forward to the updates!

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Interesting, this part I missed reading anywhere. That would certainly adjust my plan then and actually, I think make it easier for me (I mostly hate low-fat carb items, such as rice, pastas, grains). So I guess then I should divide my goals I have currently for 36-hours to 2/3rds ? Or keep them as they are just fit it all into 24 hour period.

Varius, It's absolutely essential that you wait two weeks before your first carb up, otherwise you're not giving your body enough time to deplete itself of glycogen before replenishing your body. And 2 carb ups a week will just slow down your progress. That's only useful for people that have been on that diet for a while and are slowly plateauing.

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also, varius, if you are not lifting weights as hard as possible and need the energy to get through your workouts, there is no real reason to cycle the diet. also, this is a super serious and quite extreme diet plan. be careful! the 1st 2 weeks will knock your socks off and your body will be saying fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck this...............! i wouldn't do it for longer then 2-3 months.

What he said. If you're not lifting, you shouldn't be on CKD. Carb cycling/carbing up is only for people who lift.

Ok, so the carbs are just for providing the energy for the upcoming week's workouts, correct? Thus if you aren't planning to workout, you don't need the carbs.

I thought they are also needed, though, to boost back up your glycogen and insulin levels so your body burns fat for energy and not protein (so you lose as little muscle as possible).

ie. on a typical no-carb diet, I imagine one would lose tons of muscle with the weight they lose, not just fat.

Either way, I intend to start at least some lifting...right now my exercise is more of a cardio-only nature (hockey) - but I understand I need to build more muscle for all this to achieve desired results.

Perhaps if I'm not a hardcore workout person, though, I wouldn't require exact amounts of carbs on that one day and it would be easier to just follow this:

6 days a week, no-carb
1 day a week, whatever I feel like eating

??

This thread is useless without pics of people posting advice :2 cents:

i did the keto diet before i started exercising, with no carb load days at all.
if there's been any misinformation posted by me in this thread feel free to point it out. i try to keep my comments related to my experience only.
before/during. the during pic is ~2= months old, i've packed on some muscle weight
since this last pic was taken and my bf has stayed at ~8%
http://i47.tinypic.com/6ptikw.jpg

Something like that, yes. If you're not planning to work out, the excess carbs will be stored as fat.

That's why on a CKD you go 60-65% fat, 35-30% protein, and 5% carbs. I actually do it the other way around with the protein because well, it still works for me. But carbs are needed only when you work out. If you work out 7 days a week and go on keto, your glycogen levels are depleted within 5-6 days, even sooner if you're already low body fat. Hence the carb up day.

That's what Atkins does.

It's a good start.

If you can do that, you'll lose fat and pretty much no muscle at all. Just make sure to keep protein intake high.


Edit: Also, dy na mo knows his shit.