Originally Posted by Cyandin (Post 17409930)

Yeah, I have a question that's been bugging the hell out of me. Aside from a three month hiatus due to being pissed at the rates my former gym was charging (before getting a new membership at a cheaper place this month), I have spent the past 15 months working out about 2 times per week.

I normally just do strength training and cardio. I'm 5'9" and I have not gained or lost weight since I started. I'm about 220 (I swing between 215-220 normally). As far as the bullshit BMI goes, I'm considered to be a land barge. However, I comfortably wear 36 jeans, and although I do have some stomach fat that needs trimming away, I'm by no means "fat".

I've increased my upper body muscle mass and definition considerably, and improved my cardio shape, but I still weigh in like I'm made of cinder blocks. UFC fighters who are my height, and have twice as much muscle as I do weight in at 180.

My question is, where the FUCK is this FORTY pounds? Is it really all fat?

Originally Posted by Cyandin (Post 17409930)

Yeah, I have a question that's been bugging the hell out of me. Aside from a three month hiatus due to being pissed at the rates my former gym was charging (before getting a new membership at a cheaper place this month), I have spent the past 15 months working out about 2 times per week.

I normally just do strength training and cardio. I'm 5'9" and I have not gained or lost weight since I started. I'm about 220 (I swing between 215-220 normally). As far as the bullshit BMI goes, I'm considered to be a land barge. However, I comfortably wear 36 jeans, and although I do have some stomach fat that needs trimming away, I'm by no means "fat".

I've increased my upper body muscle mass and definition considerably, and improved my cardio shape, but I still weigh in like I'm made of cinder blocks. UFC fighters who are my height, and have twice as much muscle as I do weight in at 180.

My question is, where the FUCK is this FORTY pounds? Is it really all fat?

Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 17409962)

dyna mo

Can you contact me I have some questions for you about this stuff :)

Looking for some feedback on my diet and what I should eat.

Originally Posted by RazorSharpe (Post 17410015)

Why base your readings on BMI - it's a bit outdated. Go to your local gym and have one of them measure body fat with calipers.

What sort of cardio are you doing? If your body is in a caloric deficit, there is no way you shouldn't be losing weight. It's a fine line between losing weight and gaining muscle at the same time so you need to do the cardio (fasted preferrably), eat right and lift heavy.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17410020)

i actually have no idea. perhaps dlxphil or someone with a better understanding of body composition can weigh in to give you some ideas. have you had a hydrostatic measurement done? it will give you an accurate measurement on where you weight is- muscles, fat, bones, etc. :)

Originally Posted by Cyandin (Post 17410147)

My cardio is either basketball or on the elliptical machine. when on the elliptical, I do a five minute warmup and a twenty minute post-workout run, at about 150bpm heart rate.

I lift on the medium-heavy side, usually doing three sets of 12 on a weight that has me floundering at the end of my last set.

I have a bears appetite though, and I eat lots of lean protein on the days I work out.



Where can one get that measurement taken?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17410197)

austin, tx
http://www.castlehillfitness.com/bod...on-testing.php

houston
Memorial Hermann's Sports Medicine dept (specifically Human Health & Performance Testing) does hydrostatic weighing for $32.25. This is at 6400 Fannin, suite 1620.

dallas
Dallas Texins Activity Center

Originally Posted by Cyandin (Post 17409930)

Yeah, I have a question that's been bugging the hell out of me. Aside from a three month hiatus due to being pissed at the rates my former gym was charging (before getting a new membership at a cheaper place this month), I have spent the past 15 months working out about 2 times per week.

I normally just do strength training and cardio. I'm 5'9" and I have not gained or lost weight since I started. I'm about 220 (I swing between 215-220 normally). As far as the bullshit BMI goes, I'm considered to be a land barge. However, I comfortably wear 36 jeans, and although I do have some stomach fat that needs trimming away, I'm by no means "fat".

I've increased my upper body muscle mass and definition considerably, and improved my cardio shape, but I still weigh in like I'm made of cinder blocks. UFC fighters who are my height, and have twice as much muscle as I do weight in at 180.

My question is, where the FUCK is this FORTY pounds? Is it really all fat?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17410197)

houston
Memorial Hermann's Sports Medicine dept (specifically Human Health & Performance Testing) does hydrostatic weighing for $32.25. This is at 6400 Fannin, suite 1620.

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17410368)

After the suggestions in your previous thread, I began to take a look at trying out CKD.

Here is what I put together so far for the carb-up phase, which seems to be much harder to do than the no-carb phase. Any thoughts?

Please keep in mind, that my products are rather limited, so suggesting specific brands, they likely won't have them here in Costa Rica :)

http://keithbussey.com/ckd.html

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17410392)

Honestly dude, you're going about this backwards. The carb up day is the EASIEST day. Depending on your level of activity, you should be having 400-600 carbs that day. I suggest clean carbs but that's the day you can TRULY eat bad foods as long as you don't go over your maintenance. Scheduling your 4-5 meals a day is the hardest for your low carb days..

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17410411)

Try pea pods instead of chips. Alaskan snow peas, mangetout, sugar snap peas.. all peas in a pod by whatever name. Best raw IMHO. Really good and crunchy.

Sweet potato fries/chips are also good.

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17410470)

Well, I don't find it the easiest, I find eating no carbs much easier, but hey we are all different :)

For the Carb-loading phase, what I saw recommended was:

10-12 grams Carbs per lean kilogram of bodyweight
1g protein per lean pound of bodyweight
X grams of fat below your lean bodyweight in kilos

Do you follow a different formula to only have 400-600 grams ?

I also plan to adjust it every week, of course, that was just something to get me started which fit in

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17410368)

After the suggestions in your previous thread, I began to take a look at trying out CKD.

Here is what I put together so far for the carb-up phase, which seems to be much harder to do than the no-carb phase. Any thoughts?

Please keep in mind, that my products are rather limited, so suggesting specific brands, they likely won't have them here in Costa Rica :)

http://keithbussey.com/ckd.html

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17410411)

Try pea pods instead of chips. Alaskan snow peas, mangetout, sugar snap peas.. all peas in a pod by whatever name. Best raw IMHO. Really good and crunchy.

Sweet potato fries/chips are also good.

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17410479)

Our grocery stores here offer canned peas, and canned peas only. No raw peas or exotic types such as what you are listing...I do like wasabi peas though which aren't that bad.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17410487)

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17410526)

That post says the same thing:

"What has been recommended by other authors of the CKD is 10-12 grams of carbs per kilogram of lean mass. Again, time to do math. Our example had 160 pounds of lean mass, so divide that by the conversion factor of 2.2, and we get roughly 73 kg."

260 lbs * 0.70 (lean weight) / 2.2 (convert to kilos) = 82.6 lean kilos

82.6 lean kilos * 10g to 12g = 826g to 991g

I'm not seeing where the error in my math is to get to 400 - 600 carbs ?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17410498)

that looks like a pretty well thought out 2 day carb loading to me. i'd go ahead with the ckd and see how you respond. getting through the 1st 2 weeks as the metabolism adjusts to getting energy from fat is the hardest.

if you haven't seen these already, here are several xcllnt articles on the topic
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbinfo.php?page=Keto

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17410530)

There is no error in your math.

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17410537)

Yeah I plan to start on it as soon as I get back from a trip to Montreal next week; as today and tomorrow I'm finishing my detox plan, Saturday I have my birthday weekend partying, then next week leave to Montreal where I'm sure I'll indulge in some of the stuff I've missed for the past few years, plus attending a wedding and Qwebec Expo heh.

I'll keep you guys updated how it goes once I do get started with it.

I've read some of those, but will read through the rest, thanks

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17410527)

I highly recommend that you don't do a 2 day carb up. In fact, when starting CKD, you don't carb up until the 2nd week. Two day carb ups are for people who are in the 10%-11% body fat range or even lower.

Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17410612)

Varius, It's absolutely essential that you wait two weeks before your first carb up, otherwise you're not giving your body enough time to deplete itself of glycogen before replenishing your body. And 2 carb ups a week will just slow down your progress. That's only useful for people that have been on that diet for a while and are slowly plateauing.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17410642)

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

also, varius, if you are not lifting weights as hard as possible and need the energy to get through your workouts, there is no real reason to cycle the diet. also, this is a super serious and quite extreme diet plan. be careful! the 1st 2 weeks will knock your socks off and your body will be saying fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck this...............! i wouldn't do it for longer then 2-3 months.

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17410746)

Ok, so the carbs are just for providing the energy for the upcoming week's workouts, correct? Thus if you aren't planning to workout, you don't need the carbs.

I thought they are also needed, though, to boost back up your glycogen and insulin levels so your body burns fat for energy and not protein (so you lose as little muscle as possible).

ie. on a typical no-carb diet, I imagine one would lose tons of muscle with the weight they lose, not just fat.

Either way, I intend to start at least some lifting...right now my exercise is more of a cardio-only nature (hockey) - but I understand I need to build more muscle for all this to achieve desired results.

Perhaps if I'm not a hardcore workout person, though, I wouldn't require exact amounts of carbs on that one day and it would be easier to just follow this:

6 days a week, no-carb
1 day a week, whatever I feel like eating

??

Originally Posted by pimpporn (Post 17410775)

This thread is useless without pics of people posting advice :2 cents:

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17410746)

Ok, so the carbs are just for providing the energy for the upcoming week's workouts, correct? Thus if you aren't planning to workout, you don't need the carbs.

Originally Posted by pimpporn (Post 17410813)

Good job Dyna :thumbsup

Originally Posted by Varius (Post 17410848)

Thanks for the advice guys. I think I've decided on doing the following, once back from my travel:

First two weeks:
Sunday - Saturday: 200g Protein, 125g Fat, less than 15g Carbs

Next four weeks:
Sunday - Friday: 200g Protein, 125g Fat, less than 15g Carbs
Saturday: Anything I want

During this period, I will only keep my current exercise (3 hours of hockey on Wednesdays, plus some walking/hiking on Sundays when volunteering at dog shelter).

After that, I'll see about taking the next step: getting an exercise program/gym membership and possibly adding in more carbs.

Sound about right ?

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17410889)

just a heads up, be prepared for *gray outs* those 1st 2 weeks. when doing things like walking, or getting up from the couch, etc. you will experience them, similar to black outs but not as extreme. so be careful! your brain will be going through some pretty radical changes as well, as it relies on carbs to function and is making the switch to fats for all processes.

Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 17410662)

Originally Posted by tony299 (Post 17411514)

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17410792)

i did the keto diet before i started exercising, with no carb load days at all.


if there's been any misinformation posted by me in this thread feel free to point it out. i try to keep my comments related to my experience only.
before/during. the during pic is ~2= months old, i've packed on some muscle weight
since this last pic was taken and my bf has stayed at ~8%
http://i47.tinypic.com/6ptikw.jpg

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17411860)

If carbs give you energy, and you start the Atkins Diet, what do you replace the carbs with to provide you with the energy your body needs?