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"SEO Hosting" - snakeoil or any credence in it?

08-05-2010, 02:28 AM

I wonder:

How many of these supposed "SEO hosting experts" tell their clients to set up private nameservers for each domain? (instead of using the very same dns on every site they have, albeit on different c classes)

Do noobs who sign up for this kind of service realise that their whois information, their registrar, the way they write their sites (common footprint more often than not), the fact that they are actually using a TELEGRAPHED TO GOOGLE "SEO Host" makes them MORE likely to be under the microscope?

I'm sick of these guys trying to pull the wool over the eyes of newcomers in this business.

The whole "SEO Hosting" Marketing spin should be stamped out. Different C classes Fuck you.
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08-05-2010, 02:31 AM

It certainly has it's benefit, but not for the price tagged along with it.

I've my own network of blogs specifically for seo, and it works extremely, extremely well. It's expensive, but the results are worth it. By worth it, I mean I can include my brand new site into my network (most of which are sites PR4-PR6) and can dominate difficult niches within a month or two.

edit: Just read my reply and it seemed a bit contradictory. For my network, I use different hosts, not the same host with different nameservers and c blocks.

However, going with someone like HG and having a different c block for each website, along with geo may work. I haven't tested it.

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08-05-2010, 02:35 AM

So your opinion is more or less worthless yes? Thx.
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08-05-2010, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

So your opinion is more or less worthless yes? Thx.

Are you retarded?
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08-05-2010, 02:46 AM

"I use different hosts, not the same host with different nameservers and c blocks"

Do you even comprehend what this discussion is about

Goodbye.
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08-05-2010, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by mgtarheels

It certainly has it's benefit, but not for the price tagged along with it.

I've my own network of blogs specifically for seo, and it works extremely, extremely well. It's expensive, but the results are worth it. By worth it, I mean I can include my brand new site into my network (most of which are sites PR4-PR6) and can dominate difficult niches within a month or two.

edit: Just read my reply and it seemed a bit contradictory. For my network, I use different hosts, not the same host with different nameservers and c blocks.

However, going with someone like HG and having a different c block for each website, along with geo may work. I haven't tested it.

what difficult niche? you are not over at warrior forum remember.
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08-05-2010, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

"I use different hosts, not the same host with different nameservers and c blocks"

Do you even comprehend what this discussion is about

Goodbye.

SEO hosting isn't relegated to one host, turbo.
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08-05-2010, 02:49 AM

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what difficult niche? you are not over at warrior forum remember.

On a broad term they're mortgages, MMO, jewelry, loans, and mesothelioma.
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08-05-2010, 02:49 AM

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SEO hosting isn't relegated to one host, turbo.

Do me a favour, never write in my threads again. You are obviously totally and utterly fucking clueless.
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08-05-2010, 02:50 AM

maybe for blackhat, but for legit whitehat seo, you dont need "seo" hosting. on mutiple ips across class c's.

people need to stop falling for this scam

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08-05-2010, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by fris

maybe for blackhat, but for legit whitehat seo, you dont need "seo" hosting. on mutiple ips across class c's.

people need to stop falling for this scam

have you ever tested the concept? various geo, c class ip, nameservers, whois priv, etc.?
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08-05-2010, 02:54 AM

Precisely fris, this is what pisses me off.

I don't mind people making an honest buck, but trying to upsell this BS to people which will actually make them WORSE off in the long run, that really annoys me.

I have reeled in my 20 odd hosting companies to less than 10 this year with zero impact whatsoever.

People should realise they are part of a WORLD WIDE WEB and not try and make their own little obviously found out pockets.
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08-05-2010, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

I have reeled in my 20 odd hosting companies to less than 10 this year with zero impact whatsoever.

so you give me shit then follow up with this?
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08-05-2010, 03:14 AM

mgtarheels, I suggest you are totally out of your depth.

I'm knocking "SEO Hosting" companies, I have never used them, have always mixed it up in terms of registrars and hosts.

Do me a favour, fuck off already, and take your whitelabel cam site with you, muppet.

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08-05-2010, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

mgtarheels, I suggest you are totally out of your depth.

I'm knocking "SEO Hosting" companies, I have never used them, have always mixed it up in terms of registrars and hosts.

Do me a favour, fuck off already, and take your whitelabel cam site with you, muppet.

I'm knocking "SEO Hosting" companies, I have never used them

exactly why im laughing at you, you goon. follow along, turbo.
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08-05-2010, 03:17 AM

Well,if you need to do multiple c class thingy,then it's better to buy multiple small virtual accounts then bother with one company only.
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08-05-2010, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by mgtarheels

I'm knocking "SEO Hosting" companies, I have never used them
exactly why im laughing at you, you goon. follow along, turbo.

I have no idea who you are 2 bit, but seriously, stay the fuck out of my threads if you have nothing to contribute.
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08-05-2010, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

I have no idea who you are 2 bit, but seriously, stay the fuck out of my threads if you have nothing to contribute.

ive nothing to contribute, yet you're the one trying to slam a service you've never used and obviously struggle to understand.
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08-05-2010, 03:27 AM

anyway, Im off to sleep. enjoy trying to slam something you've never used.
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08-05-2010, 03:30 AM

Originally posted by mgtarheels

It certainly has it's benefit, but not for the price tagged along with it.

I've my own network of blogs specifically for seo, and it works extremely, extremely well. It's expensive, but the results are worth it.

Originally posted by mgtarheels

I'm knocking "SEO Hosting" companies, I have never used them
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08-05-2010, 04:56 AM

Thx488, these assholes are like shit to a blanket.
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08-05-2010, 05:14 AM

Come on you supposed "SEO" hosting companies, bring it.

I want PROOF of your claims, otherwise remove all this "SEO" BS and stop ripping off clueless customers, I don't know how you sleep straight / at all in bed at night.
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08-05-2010, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

Thx488, these assholes are like shit to a blanket.

typical warrior forum idiot. rank for a term with 5 global searches and think they are seo gods.
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08-05-2010, 05:22 AM

I am with the vault, and half a dozen other "knowledge sharing" places, yet we're all toughing it out, I hate these exploitative wankers sorry, I prefer to make money off my own back and help people out where / when I can.

Position 4 in: About 129,000,000 results (0.27 seconds)

Ok, time to crash.

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08-05-2010, 05:23 AM

This thread is very amusing
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08-05-2010, 05:34 AM

Originally posted by JBlack

This thread is very amusing

Know anything about the topic or just being a jackass?

If not, fuck off.
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08-05-2010, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

Know anything about the topic or just being a jackass?

If not, fuck off.

Since you started this thread "wondering whether or not" getting different IPs and C-classes in your hosting plan is good for SEO or if it is a "snakeoil scam" then .. I am sorry m8, but this my gfy-entertainment hour.. I won't waste it arguing or educating you.... I am just here for the lulz n random drama

But to answer your question....NO... SEO hosting is most definitively not a scam (yes I have hands-on-experience in this field)... but just like any SEO tool.... it won't do shit if you dont know how to use it. (YES, SEO hosting is just a tool or stepping-stone towards a much bigger goal, if you don't have in mind a bigger-more-in-depth plan then you won't see the point of having a bunch of IPs in different Cs......and yes! you will say it is all Snake-Oil)

At any rate.. I'll be back when this thread gets more amusing than the rest of the threads out there... I thought I saw a good drama thread just below this one..

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08-05-2010, 05:53 AM

Originally posted by JBlack

Since you started this thread "wondering whether or not" getting different IPs and C-classes in your hosting plan is good for SEO or if it is a "snakeoil scam" then .. I am sorry m8, but this my gfy-entertainment hour.. I won't waste it arguing or educating you.... I am just here for the lulz n random drama

I'll fill you in seeing you're none too bright. I'm not wondering at all. It's a waste of money, and I'm sick of hosting companies saying otherwise.

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08-05-2010, 05:55 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

I'll fill you in seeing you're none too bright. It's a waste of money, and I'm sick of hosting companies saying otherwise.

LOL... u'll fill me in? U obviously have no hands-on-experience in this field and yet u say you'll fill me in?

Please go on ... enlighten me with your brilliant reasoning!...I am all for having a good time right now

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08-05-2010, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

I wonder:

How many of these supposed "SEO hosting experts" tell their clients to set up private nameservers for each domain? (instead of using the very same dns on every site they have, albeit on different c classes)

Do noobs who sign up for this kind of service realise that their whois information, their registrar, the way they write their sites (common footprint more often than not), the fact that they are actually using a TELEGRAPHED TO GOOGLE "SEO Host" makes them MORE likely to be under the microscope?

I'm sick of these guys trying to pull the wool over the eyes of newcomers in this business.

The whole "SEO Hosting" Marketing spin should be stamped out. Different C classes Fuck you.

The same could be said if you use multiple hosts. In both situations it's how you use and set everything up. The only difference I've experienced in the two is paying one person vs. multiple people monthly for the same service. Multi hosts often creates more support as well. It's all about what you can manage or understand how to manage, it all has its place either way.

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08-05-2010, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by JBlack

LOL... u'll fill me in? U obviously have no hands-on-experience in this field and yet u say you'll fill me in?

Please go on ... enlighten me with your brilliant reasoning!...I am all for having a good time right now

No, I'm a dumb twat, you're right, I've not been doing this full time for 8 years for a reason.

Here's the stats from one of my 5 accounts with these guys for example, how are you doing online?

TOTALS 1879984 549777 12234M, 3385F 9711 $309859.75 $8053.00 $11336.98 54.4% $166890.57
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08-05-2010, 06:19 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

The same could be said if you use multiple hosts. In both situations it's how you use and set everything up. The only difference I've experienced in the two is paying one person vs. multiple people monthly for the same service. Multi hosts often creates more support as well. It's all about what you can manage or understand how to manage, it all has its place either way.

True - but the snakey guys pretend you can hide a network on the same host and that just isn't right.

Sorry, [/morals]
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08-05-2010, 06:47 AM

Last one, where are the "SEO host" guys fighting their corners?

Let's have you.
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08-05-2010, 07:39 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

No, I'm a dumb twat, you're right, I've not been doing this full time for 8 years for a reason.

Here's the stats from one of my 5 accounts with these guys for example, how are you doing online?

TOTALS 1879984 549777 12234M, 3385F 9711 $309859.75 $8053.00 $11336.98 54.4% $166890.57

8 years and you still don't know what seo hosting is for? Do you realize how silly you made yourself sound just now? lol

BTW I can make stuff up too see how easy it is:

TOTALS 4409984 753777 42234M, 2185F 9711 $350859.75 $8653.00 $9336.98 68.4% $206890.57

No need to even chop
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08-05-2010, 07:41 AM

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if you have multiple sites on one server it would be worth the extra to have different IPs for each one. However, some "SEO Hosts" will just give you a block in number order which is a waste.

Ideally what you need is different C class IPs to make it effective

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08-05-2010, 07:42 AM

snake oil

i have first page/first link seo results for tons of my mainstream clients on good ole webair virtual accounts for 9.99 a month
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08-05-2010, 07:49 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

True - but the snakey guys pretend you can hide a network on the same host and that just isn't right.

Hosting on different virtual accounts is no different then a single host providing a client multiple data centers, name servers, and IP ranges. Either can accomplish the same thing.

Furthermore, I am not sure what the rest of the hosting market charges for 'SEO Hosting'. However, I know that WE are affordable and are not charging anything outrageous. Often times cheaper than what you are currently paying.

I can provide you a server, that beats almost any other box in the market on price and bandwidth, and throw in your 5 IP's over different C instead on the same C. So I am STILL cheaper than the competition despite adding in the increased value of the IP ranges.

I can sell you an entire class c for $4.00, which is 8IP/5 usable, which is, by comparison ($1/2 x 5) cheaper than the $1.00 - 2.00 per additional IP other web hosting companies charge you for the same block. Again, providing you increased value for the same of less money than you are currently paying. This is nice for those who know A-B-C linking strategy, and how to properly mask their network and still probably cheaper than you are currently paying for your box now truth be told.

If other hosting companies out there are charging you insane prices for this stuff, then I understand your gripe. But when I can provide you the same or better, for less than you are currently paying, then I do not see the point of the banter. All the same, good luck with your thread. I do not think BD will take the bait though.

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08-05-2010, 07:51 AM

Snake oil. $.02

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08-05-2010, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

I can sell you an entire class c for $4.00, which is 8IP/5 usable, which is, by comparison ($1/2 x 5) cheaper than the $1.00 - 2.00 per additional IP other web hosting companies charge you for the same block. Again, providing you increased value for the same of less money than you are currently paying. This is nice for those who know A-B-C linking strategy, and how to properly mask their network and still probably cheaper than you are currently paying for your box now truth be told.

No SEO needs an entire C. Mailers must be your clientele.
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08-05-2010, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

I can sell you an entire class c for $4.00, which is 8IP/5 usable, which is, by comparison ($1/2 x 5) cheaper than the $1.00 - 2.00 per additional IP other web hosting companies charge you for the same block.

An entire class C is 256 IPs, not 8...

I personally believe there's a small benefit to spreading yourself around, but I wouldn't trust a single company to do it. Too much chance of a signature somewhere. For example, do your different IP ranges still belong to the same company name?
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08-05-2010, 08:06 AM

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No SEO needs an entire C. Mailers must be your clientele.

Hmm... you again with your remarks. I guess my previous assessment of you was wrong.

Originally posted by rowan

An entire class C is 256 IPs, not 8...

Did I use the word 'entire'? Didn't think so.

Carry on.

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08-05-2010, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

I can sell you an entire class c for $4.00, which is 8IP/5 usable,

Originally posted by Barefootsies

Did I use the word 'entire'? Didn't think so.

Carry on.

Looks like you did to me too.
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08-05-2010, 08:18 AM

You're right. Messed that up when I did the original edit re-typing that paragraph. That's what I get for trying to talk on phone, answer IM and post all at the same time. Whoops.

However, common sense as provided, "8IP/5 usable', would have clued most people not trying to argue about petty crap that I what I meant was, an entirely DIFFERENT c-class. No one is going to give you 256 IP's for $4.00.

My bad on missing that with the edit. Apologies to rowan. Carry on.

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08-05-2010, 08:52 AM

As said above, masking your footprints is the single most important element in interlinking strategies. The footprint includes: host location, IP, site code, content, registrar, nameservers, DNS record modification dates, domain transfer history, whois information and more.

SEO hosting can help with a few of those, but you still need to handle the rest of the factors if you want to succeed.

Another free tip is for interlinking networks, pay close attention to link velocity/acceleration. You want things to seem as natural as possible, so the following throws up a flag to google:

- Many new links all appearing at once
- Links almost all using the same keyword anchor text
- No links dropping
- All links coming to the same/main page of the domain

What you want to do, is:

- Links added gradually
- Links dropped gradually (of course, always keep a positive link acceleration pace)
- Mix up / rotate anchor texts, throwing in some non-relevant or domain name (as would naturally happen)
- Mix linking to main pages and deep links

Enjoy

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08-05-2010, 09:13 AM

I think you're better off doing it yourself. Think about it. If you use a "SEO host" then it's likely they attract a certain clientèle who tends to do certain things which MAY be seen badly by Google. Consider who your neighbors are within that class C.

For most it isn't even something to worry about in the first place. And indeed it's often better to keep it organic. Far less chance of being banned.

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08-05-2010, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by Varius

As said above, masking your footprints is the single most important element in interlinking strategies. The footprint includes: host location, IP, site code, content, registrar, nameservers, DNS record modification dates, domain transfer history, whois information and more.

SEO hosting can help with a few of those, but you still need to handle the rest of the factors if you want to succeed.

Another free tip is for interlinking networks, pay close attention to link velocity/acceleration. You want things to seem as natural as possible, so the following throws up a flag to google:

- Many new links all appearing at once
- Links almost all using the same keyword anchor text
- No links dropping
- All links coming to the same/main page of the domain

What you want to do, is:

- Links added gradually
- Links dropped gradually (of course, always keep a positive link acceleration pace)
- Mix up / rotate anchor texts, throwing in some non-relevant or domain name (as would naturally happen)
- Mix linking to main pages and deep links

Enjoy

all correct except for mentioning that linking any sites internally that are less than pr4/5 is a waste of time now..

gaming google is getting harder... better off just putting in the work...

longtails are still kicking ass even after the mayday update..

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08-05-2010, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by marketsmart

longtails are still kicking ass even after the mayday update..

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Agree, I would much rather have rank for 5,000 phrases getting 10 uniques each a day than a single top-ranking that gets 50,000 uniques a day.

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08-05-2010, 10:30 AM

total snake oil

I'm not Ali A, not Ali B, Ali C, Ali D, Ali E, Ali F... but... Ali G!

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08-05-2010, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by baddog

No SEO needs an entire C. Mailers must be your clientele.

You really are a tool, baddog. Just cause he's offering something for half the price you do and actually knows what he is talking about, you bash him.

Shut up and go away already...

Go sell some more free $500 SEO reports to newbies. Asshole.

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08-05-2010, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by CunningStunt

Do me a favour, never write in my threads again. You are obviously totally and utterly fucking clueless.

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