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01-03-2011, 11:53 AM

My personal stalker which you can read about here:
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Is using the above mentioned Paxum account to try and redirect my sponsor payments. Sponsors if you notice any payments going out to this address they are not going to the rightful payee.
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01-03-2011, 12:01 PM

I can't do anything on the sponsors end, but I will have this account looked into.

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01-03-2011, 12:07 PM

thnx for the heads up
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01-03-2011, 12:10 PM

thank you

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I can't do anything on the sponsors end, but I will have this account looked into.
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01-03-2011, 12:13 PM

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01-03-2011, 12:28 PM

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01-03-2011, 12:49 PM

wasnt long until the fraud was going to happen, i guess its with every processor its something they have to deal with.

would hate to have the job of special investigations ;)

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01-03-2011, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by fris

wasnt long until the fraud was going to happen, i guess its with every processor its something they have to deal with.

would hate to have the job of special investigations ;)

Good thing on paxum is they require documents right away on account creation,while on epass they required that only after certain amount hit your account,so that should minimize fraud compared to epass.
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01-03-2011, 12:54 PM

now man you have to change your password on each and every sponsor and maybe email and who knows where else ...

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01-03-2011, 12:55 PM

Based on past experience with this guy he has a fake passport so I am sure he can submit the documents.

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Good thing on paxum is they require documents right away on account creation,while on epass they required that only after certain amount hit your account,so that should minimize fraud compared to epass.
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01-03-2011, 12:56 PM

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01-03-2011, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

Good thing on paxum is they require documents right away on account creation,while on epass they required that only after certain amount hit your account,so that should minimize fraud compared to epass.

This is good! Didn't know that. Maybe it won't start lol

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01-03-2011, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by KlenTelaris

Good thing on paxum is they require documents right away on account creation,while on epass they required that only after certain amount hit your account,so that should minimize fraud compared to epass.

yait is good , but people will get around it.

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01-03-2011, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by Kingfish

Based on past experience with this guy he has a fake passport so I am sure he can submit the documents.

Yes that verification is useless if they are good with creating fake documents.
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01-03-2011, 01:12 PM

We have a great security feature we just put in place for business accounts (sponsors) to help with things like this;

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01-03-2011, 02:27 PM

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01-03-2011, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by RuthB

We have a great security feature we just put in place for business accounts (sponsors) to help with things like this;

Payouts Blacklist

Business Account Users can now permanently blacklist payments to any user by entering the payee email into the PAYOUTS BLACKLIST OPTION under Security Menu. When blocked, all payments to any alternative email accounts of the blacklisted user will not go through. This feature has been added to help prevent against repeated fraud while retaining the privacy and security of every Paxum client.

does that mean if Sponsor A, blacklists their account, that will prevent SPonsor B from sending them a payment?

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01-03-2011, 02:41 PM

paxum needs to set up the login security questions like epass had asap. until they got that they were plagued with hacked accounts and fraud.
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01-03-2011, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by RuthB

We have a great security feature we just put in place for business accounts (sponsors) to help with things like this;

Payouts Blacklist

Business Account Users can now permanently blacklist payments to any user by entering the payee email into the PAYOUTS BLACKLIST OPTION under Security Menu. When blocked, all payments to any alternative email accounts of the blacklisted user will not go through. This feature has been added to help prevent against repeated fraud while retaining the privacy and security of every Paxum client.

so if someone hacked your account and does something shady with it you could be blacklisted from all sponsor payments?
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01-03-2011, 02:45 PM

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does that mean if Sponsor A, blacklists their account, that will prevent SPonsor B from sending them a payment?

Not at all. Each 'blacklist' is unique to each sponsor account.

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01-03-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by fris

does that mean if Sponsor A, blacklists their account, that will prevent SPonsor B from sending them a payment?

I think it means that if a person has two Paxum accounts (easily possible if you have partnerships), and the sponsor bans one of the email accounts they have attached to that name/company, that Paxum user cannot just change their payout email address to another ID and still get paid. It blocks all alternative accounts for that person from receiving a payout from the single sponsor that blacklisted them.
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01-03-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by SiMpLe

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01-03-2011, 02:48 PM

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so if someone hacked your account and does something shady with it you could be blacklisted from all sponsor payments?

This blacklist is something each individual sponsor must update themselves. So to have that happen each of the sponsors paying you would have to add your email address to their 'blacklist' inside their Paxum accounts.

Sponsor A has a different blacklist from Sponsor B and none of the information is shared from sponsor to sponsor in any way.

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01-03-2011, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by epitome

I think it means that if a person has two Paxum accounts (easily possible if you have partnerships), and the sponsor bans one of the email accounts they have attached to that name/company, that Paxum user cannot just change their payout email address to another ID and still get paid. It blocks all alternative accounts for that person from receiving a payout from the single sponsor that blacklisted them.

Yes, every account can add unlimited email addresses for whatever reason they may have; usually for better organization/management of their payments.

So if Sponsor A decides to blacklist Client X and Client X has 10 email addresses associated with their Paxum account, then when Sponsor A inserts just ONE of those email accounts into their blacklist then NO payments will go to ANY of the alternative email addresses associated with Client X's account. The Client is effectively cut off in every way from payment by Sponsor A.

If Sponsor B has the same affiliate; Client X, but has no issue with them and wants to pay them, then the blacklisting from Sponsor A will have absolutely ZERO effect on their ability to pay the client.

Each sponsors blacklist is COMPLETELY separate from everyone elses.

I hope this makes sense. Please let me know if you require further clarification

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01-03-2011, 02:56 PM

man, you said that the guy is still changing your payout options, maybe cause you have the same pass everywhere? you said in previous thread that you changed your pass to everywhere, but have you put each unique pass to each place? there may be one hacked sponsor, some even with plain password file, and you can change what you want but they have you again. everything works on reality basis, there are no magics about security or what

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01-03-2011, 05:21 PM

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now man you have to change your password on each and every sponsor and maybe email and who knows where else ...

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01-03-2011, 05:48 PM

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01-03-2011, 06:05 PM

Passwords have been changed multiple times since that first incident. Not sure how he did it this time, but since that time he has done most of the changes by contacting the sponsors via email/ICQ calming to be me asking for the account passwords to be manually reset and using the personal information he got from the first breach to make it appear to be me. The guy had at least 6 epass accounts that were registered with a variation of my real name. He has a fake passport with my name on it that he emails to sponsors/epass/ Paxum? as a verification document.

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man, you said that the guy is still changing your payout options, maybe cause you have the same pass everywhere? you said in previous thread that you changed your pass to everywhere, but have you put each unique pass to each place? there may be one hacked sponsor, some even with plain password file, and you can change what you want but they have you again. everything works on reality basis, there are no magics about security or what
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01-03-2011, 07:38 PM

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Not at all. Each 'blacklist' is unique to each sponsor account.

it should work that way, say the person is carding signups, what makes him not going to do it with another sponsor? these people usally jump sponsor to sponsor to see who pays. and they generrally do it untiol they get caught.

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01-03-2011, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by fris

it should work that way, say the person is carding signups, what makes him not going to do it with another sponsor? these people usally jump sponsor to sponsor to see who pays. and they generrally do it untiol they get caught.

yea you guys at paxum should globalize the blacklist and give at least a warning to a sponsors who are sending payments to carders. You guys are in the best position to fight this crap, and in the long run its in your best interest anyway.

Let the reporting sponsor (sponsor A) attach a note to the offending paxum account.. when the other sponsor (sponsor B) is about to send payment... present a warning and all the notes attached from (sponsor A) so they can decide for themselves if they will make payment or not.

It doesn't have to be an all out blacklist, but at least warn the sponsor if they are about to send money to somebody who is blocked on another sponsor.. and allow them to accept or deny that payee in the future. (this prevents having to accept/deny every payout)

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01-03-2011, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Kingfish

My personal stalker which you can read about here:
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...light=kingfish
Is using the above mentioned Paxum account to try and redirect my sponsor payments. Sponsors if you notice any payments going out to this address they are not going to the rightful payee.

Can you contact me when you get the chance?

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01-03-2011, 11:08 PM

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01-04-2011, 12:47 AM

Would be nice to see you do a little big brother stuff that Epassporte failed on doing. Amend the terms of service and inform account holders that in cases of suspected fraud their info WILL BE SHARED...
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01-04-2011, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

Would be nice to see you do a little big brother stuff that Epassporte failed on doing. Amend the terms of service and inform account holders that in cases of suspected fraud their info WILL BE SHARED...

To start, the account has been disabled.

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01-04-2011, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by fris

it should work that way, say the person is carding signups, what makes him not going to do it with another sponsor? these people usally jump sponsor to sponsor to see who pays. and they generrally do it untiol they get caught.

Problem is that could be abused....

Better to keep the responsibility with the sponsors.... They are free to exchange information about scammers and update their own block/black lists.
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01-04-2011, 02:13 AM

Like I told Chris yesterday; there should also be an option to block incoming payments from banned accounts.
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01-04-2011, 03:22 AM

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01-04-2011, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by Kingfish

Based on past experience with this guy he has a fake passport so I am sure he can submit the documents.

But the passport has to match the name on the account right?

And to get money wired in or out of the account can only be done from/to a bank account in the account owners name.

And to get money out by creditcard, you need to have the creditcard sent to an address that you have to proof you live right?

So the account is pretty much useless if someone would submit a fake passport?
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01-04-2011, 04:23 AM

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But the passport has to match the name on the account right?

And to get money wired in or out of the account can only be done from/to a bank account in the account owners name.

And to get money out by creditcard, you need to have the creditcard sent to an address that you have to proof you live right?

So the account is pretty much useless if someone would submit a fake passport?

Nah, just send money P2P and then withdraw it.
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01-04-2011, 05:29 AM

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Nah, just send money P2P and then withdraw it.
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Yeah but Paxum could then see to which account it was sent via p2p and then see where the money went? Eventually someone has to receive the money in a real bank account or take it out cash with a card that was send to a verified address. So that pretty much would eliminate anyone being able to fraud anonymously? In the end it would always be traceable to a real person and real address. Or am I missing something.
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01-04-2011, 06:38 AM

Originally posted by Konda

Yeah but Paxum could then see to which account it was sent via p2p and then see where the money went? Eventually someone has to receive the money in a real bank account or take it out cash with a card that was send to a verified address. So that pretty much would eliminate anyone being able to fraud anonymously? In the end it would always be traceable to a real person and real address. Or am I missing something.

If I send money to you, you can always say it was for design, consulting or other stuff.

Or better yet, use the money to buy something, which you then in turn sell but receive the money to another account or another payment system. It's all very easy, if you want to play dirty, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to do this.

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01-04-2011, 09:50 AM

I added you to ICQ

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01-04-2011, 10:48 AM

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01-04-2011, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Adraco

If I send money to you, you can always say it was for design, consulting or other stuff.

Or better yet, use the money to buy something, which you then in turn sell but receive the money to another account or another payment system. It's all very easy, if you want to play dirty, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to do this.

Hmm that sucks, so I guess it's the same as ePass then and soon all the fraudsters, carders and scammers will be using Paxum.
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01-04-2011, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by FiReC

yea you guys at paxum should globalize the blacklist and give at least a warning to a sponsors who are sending payments to carders. You guys are in the best position to fight this crap, and in the long run its in your best interest anyway.

Let the reporting sponsor (sponsor A) attach a note to the offending paxum account.. when the other sponsor (sponsor B) is about to send payment... present a warning and all the notes attached from (sponsor A) so they can decide for themselves if they will make payment or not.

It doesn't have to be an all out blacklist, but at least warn the sponsor if they are about to send money to somebody who is blocked on another sponsor.. and allow them to accept or deny that payee in the future. (this prevents having to accept/deny every payout)

Agreed. If a sponsor adds someone to a blacklist other sponsors should at least be notified so they can do their own investigation into the account(s).

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01-04-2011, 08:22 PM

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Agreed. If a sponsor adds someone to a blacklist other sponsors should at least be notified so they can do their own investigation into the account(s).

Whats stopping someone from saying an honest webmaster is carding sales just to can them and get them on the black list you guys are asking for?

What proof would a program be willing to provide us that would make us believe 100% without a doubt that this user is indeed flat out carding sales or committing some sort of fraud like that...

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01-05-2011, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by Chris

Whats stopping someone from saying an honest webmaster is carding sales just to can them and get them on the black list you guys are asking for?

What proof would a program be willing to provide us that would make us believe 100% without a doubt that this user is indeed flat out carding sales or committing some sort of fraud like that...

Just give program owners an overview of who is blacklisted by other programs (like flag their accounts with a warning). Then other program owners can decide themselves if they want to blacklist him as well, or at least they know to keep an eye on his account. It would really help in fighting fraud. Especially if the carders/scammers/fraudsters know that they will also be flagged at other programs if they get caught and blacklisted by a sponsor.
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