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V_RocKs · 08-02-2010, 08:54 PM

Can somebody explain this to me? I mean... Let's say I run a program and I have it as $35 PPS or 50% revshare... Now let's say times are getting tougher... but I am going to leave my sites open anyway...

Wouldn't it be smarter for me to tell everyone, Yo, I could close my affiliate program because I cannot afford to pay you $35 PPS or, I could leave it open and do 40% revshare and convert all accounts to revshare...

If you don't like it, stop promoting my sites... If you believe money is money and variety is key, keep promoting my sites. When times change we will re-install the old payouts... But for now, keep your links up.. or don't... But just know we care!

Now wouldn't that make sense? Legally we keep the old rebills at the old payouts on revshare...

Seems to me that'd make much more sense.

Agent 488 · 08-02-2010, 09:01 PM

most of these programs were dead anyway.

Robbie · 08-02-2010, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Can somebody explain this to me? I mean... Let's say I run a program and I have it as $35 PPS or 50% revshare... Now let's say times are getting tougher... but I am going to leave my sites open anyway...

Wouldn't it be smarter for me to tell everyone, Yo, I could close my affiliate program because I cannot afford to pay you $35 PPS or, I could leave it open and do 40% revshare and convert all accounts to revshare...

If you don't like it, stop promoting my sites... If you believe money is money and variety is key, keep promoting my sites. When times change we will re-install the old payouts... But for now, keep your links up.. or don't... But just know we care!

Now wouldn't that make sense? Legally we keep the old rebills at the old payouts on revshare...

Seems to me that'd make much more sense.

Except affiliates require tools, affiliates get rebills even when they no longer have traffic, affiliates require support. In other words it costs money to run an affiliate program. And if any business has a part of it that is no longer profitable...they close it down.

A lot of programs can make more money these days buying spots on the handful of sites that DO still have traffic and stop losing money paying out affiliates.

Piracy has fucked the affiliate model in almost every way. First it took all of our traffic to a handful of big tubesites. And then it took away the need for people to pay for porn thus killing the few sales we might have been able to send with our reduced traffic.

In my humble opinion...when the govts. get together and do something about this stealing because of mainstream business complaining, then porn will be accidentally saved too and the affiliate model can work once again.

sexdatesj · 08-02-2010, 09:14 PM

Rand at Epoch predicted the colapse of the PPS biz. model to me in 2003 in Las Vegas during a chat..

Agent 488 · 08-02-2010, 09:19 PM

i do pps so programs don`t have to pay me rebills so they can survive.

i admit i do use some of the programs resources when i take up the affiliate manager and accountants time asking where my payment is.

Sergio Payingsolutions · 08-02-2010, 09:27 PM

Can't it be that some people are just scumbags?

I know your point is, don't they still have money they could be making, they probably have a plan for the future, it just includes taking your money.

NickB. · 08-02-2010, 09:32 PM

There's a lot more to it than most people think

A lot of programs got hit hard with fraudulent joins

Not us of course... In it to win and long term

Loch · 08-02-2010, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Can somebody explain this to me? I mean... Let's say I run a program and I have it as $35 PPS or 50% revshare... Now let's say times are getting tougher... but I am going to leave my sites open anyway...

Wouldn't it be smarter for me to tell everyone, Yo, I could close my affiliate program because I cannot afford to pay you $35 PPS or, I could leave it open and do 40% revshare and convert all accounts to revshare...

If you don't like it, stop promoting my sites... If you believe money is money and variety is key, keep promoting my sites. When times change we will re-install the old payouts... But for now, keep your links up.. or don't... But just know we care!

Now wouldn't that make sense? Legally we keep the old rebills at the old payouts on revshare...

Seems to me that'd make much more sense.

I would agree with this.
Set your own terms and let the affiliates decide.
However you may be left with no affiliates anyway if you dont have new toold, content, support etc etc

Then again if you made that clear i dont see why not

amateurcanada · 08-03-2010, 12:09 AM

Legally having an open "terms of service - tos" to all affiliates allows you legal changes to how you operate things - you most certainly can downgrade accounts and more with provisions in place as the market changes. You do not need to CLOSE programs but merely change how they make profits. See http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=978944

Paul Markham · 08-03-2010, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Except affiliates require tools, affiliates get rebills even when they no longer have traffic, affiliates require support. In other words it costs money to run an affiliate program. And if any business has a part of it that is no longer profitable...they close it down.

A lot of programs can make more money these days buying spots on the handful of sites that DO still have traffic and stop losing money paying out affiliates.

Piracy has fucked the affiliate model in almost every way. First it took all of our traffic to a handful of big tubesites. And then it took away the need for people to pay for porn thus killing the few sales we might have been able to send with our reduced traffic.

In my humble opinion...when the govts. get together and do something about this stealing because of mainstream business complaining, then porn will be accidentally saved too and the affiliate model can work once again.

I agree. Like it or not some are discovering there are better ways to make money.

baddog · 08-03-2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Except affiliates require tools, affiliates get rebills even when they no longer have traffic, affiliates require support. In other words it costs money to run an affiliate program.

V_RocKs · 08-03-2010, 12:25 AM

OK... How about the numerous solo model programs I am still sending traffic and sales to that haven't updated their members area in 2 years and longer for their FHG's and other tools?

You cannot tell me that if you are making $250 a day and that is all, you cannot see that you still should spend 1 days money in the month to get some new FHG's with your existing content made.

Shit, you already have 8 templates... just throw in some of the content from your members area... It boils down to laziness. You made a ton of cash back in the heyday and now that it's work it isn't good enough even though you know a little work would pump that $250 back to $1000 and you could probably hire a GFY'er $150 a day to do it...

V_RocKs · 08-03-2010, 12:28 AM

To further my point, you have dogshit affiliates starting out and making $25 a day, however, they still find the time to create 8 FHG's in a weeks time. You can't do that? Come on?

Arles practically makes it drag and fucking drop to make a FHG with an existing template. COME ON!

On the flip side... No problems... I bought a membership to your program and got some members area content and made some FHG's on my own... probably broke some licensing agreements, but you don't care... so long as I send that money.

baddog · 08-03-2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs

OK... How about the numerous solo model programs I am still sending traffic and sales to that haven't updated their members area in 2 years and longer for their FHG's and other tools?

You cannot tell me that if you are making $250 a day and that is all, you cannot see that you still should spend 1 days money in the month to get some new FHG's with your existing content made.

The smart ones shot a lot in the beginning because they can't find her now.

Paul Markham · 08-03-2010, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

OK... How about the numerous solo model programs I am still sending traffic and sales to that haven't updated their members area in 2 years and longer for their FHG's and other tools?

You cannot tell me that if you are making $250 a day and that is all, you cannot see that you still should spend 1 days money in the month to get some new FHG's with your existing content made.

Shit, you already have 8 templates... just throw in some of the content from your members area... It boils down to laziness. You made a ton of cash back in the heyday and now that it's work it isn't good enough even though you know a little work would pump that $250 back to $1000 and you could probably hire a GFY'er $150 a day to do it...

A lot of these sites were built around a shooter shooting the model for a set number of scenes for a set fee. For instance 50 scenes for $15,000. They've used all the content in the site and on the affiliates areas. So new galleries would be made on the cheap by mixing existing galleries with existing content. No doubt you could hire a GFYer to to it for $150 a day. Would it bring that much money back in? If the answer is yes it sahows the business sense of many sponsors.

As Baddog said a lot of these girls have moved on. Getting them back, if you could, will cost a lot of money for a shoot day. Shooting twice as much as needed, say 100 scenes, still won't leave much new content after a year of feeding into the affiliates area. 1 scene a week would only last 2 years.

Most of the single girl sponsors were not willing or could not pay what a decent model could earn by being free lance. Even big sponsors were only offering a girl $25k for a years work exclusive to the site. $500 a week didn't buy you a decent girl then and I doubt if it will now.

This scenario fits all the sites that had 50-100 scenes in after a number of years.

xxxjay · 08-03-2010, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Can somebody explain this to me? I mean... Let's say I run a program and I have it as $35 PPS or 50% revshare... Now let's say times are getting tougher... but I am going to leave my sites open anyway...

Wouldn't it be smarter for me to tell everyone, Yo, I could close my affiliate program because I cannot afford to pay you $35 PPS or, I could leave it open and do 40% revshare and convert all accounts to revshare...

If you don't like it, stop promoting my sites... If you believe money is money and variety is key, keep promoting my sites. When times change we will re-install the old payouts... But for now, keep your links up.. or don't... But just know we care!

Now wouldn't that make sense? Legally we keep the old rebills at the old payouts on revshare...

Seems to me that'd make much more sense.

I've always thought revshare was the way to go anyways. Ask me about the checks I still get.

Chosen · 08-03-2010, 02:30 AM

I have 2 years long rebills with some aff programs

Sid70 · 08-03-2010, 04:31 AM

not many of those operate OWN money but biz loans they might fail to return if they continue revshare i think.

woj · 08-03-2010, 08:00 AM

there is kinda catch 22 situation here...
1. PPS is a dead model, so everyone should pick revshare
BUT....
2. those that pick revshare actually get double fucked when sponsor goes under..

Agent 488 · 08-03-2010, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

there is kinda catch 22 situation here...
1. PPS is a dead model, so everyone should pick revshare
BUT....
2. those that pick revshare actually get double fucked when sponsor goes under..

pps is still going strong. just now 25-30 instead of 45-50.

The Porn Nerd · 08-03-2010, 09:37 AM

Well, call me a cynic (or worse) but I actually believe that some programs - SOME - go into this business with the expressed intent of 'harvesting' as many affiliates as possible JUST so they can stop paying ppl when the nut gets big enough. Yes, I'm saying that a lot of these closings are DELIBERATE and well-planned for years now. Not every one, of course, but enough to make me wonder.

Makes sense if you don't give a fuck about ppl, this business (or any business), reputations, etc. I mean, how many programs are run by eastern european/russian fucks who would gut their mother for ten bucks? Fuck, many of these people's citizenry is suspect, their entire businesses are fronts for money-laundering and identity theft...I mean, c'mon ppl. Wake up.

Promote CCBill sites and call it a day.

08-02-2010, 08:54 PM	#1
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	Affiliate programs closing... Can somebody explain this to me? I mean... Let's say I run a program and I have it as $35 PPS or 50% revshare... Now let's say times are getting tougher... but I am going to leave my sites open anyway... Wouldn't it be smarter for me to tell everyone, Yo, I could close my affiliate program because I cannot afford to pay you $35 PPS or, I could leave it open and do 40% revshare and convert all accounts to revshare... If you don't like it, stop promoting my sites... If you believe money is money and variety is key, keep promoting my sites. When times change we will re-install the old payouts... But for now, keep your links up.. or don't... But just know we care! Now wouldn't that make sense? Legally we keep the old rebills at the old payouts on revshare... Seems to me that'd make much more sense.

08-02-2010, 09:14 PM	#4
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08-03-2010, 12:09 AM	#9
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08-03-2010, 12:28 AM	#13
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	To further my point, you have dogshit affiliates starting out and making $25 a day, however, they still find the time to create 8 FHG's in a weeks time. You can't do that? Come on? Arles practically makes it drag and fucking drop to make a FHG with an existing template. COME ON! On the flip side... No problems... I bought a membership to your program and got some members area content and made some FHG's on my own... probably broke some licensing agreements, but you don't care... so long as I send that money. Last edited by V_RocKs; 08-03-2010 at 12:29 AM..

08-03-2010, 04:31 AM	#18
Sid70 Downshifter Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Road trip Posts: 16,413	not many of those operate OWN money but biz loans they might fail to return if they continue revshare i think. __________________ Русня, идите нахуй!

08-02-2010, 09:01 PM	#2
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	most of these programs were dead anyway.

08-02-2010, 09:19 PM	#5
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	i do pps so programs don`t have to pay me rebills so they can survive. i admit i do use some of the programs resources when i take up the affiliate manager and accountants time asking where my payment is.

08-02-2010, 09:27 PM	#6
Sergio Payingsolutions Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 146	Can't it be that some people are just scumbags? I know your point is, don't they still have money they could be making, they probably have a plan for the future, it just includes taking your money.

08-02-2010, 09:32 PM	#7
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	There's a lot more to it than most people think A lot of programs got hit hard with fraudulent joins Not us of course... In it to win and long term

08-03-2010, 12:25 AM	#12
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,409	OK... How about the numerous solo model programs I am still sending traffic and sales to that haven't updated their members area in 2 years and longer for their FHG's and other tools? You cannot tell me that if you are making $250 a day and that is all, you cannot see that you still should spend 1 days money in the month to get some new FHG's with your existing content made. Shit, you already have 8 templates... just throw in some of the content from your members area... It boils down to laziness. You made a ton of cash back in the heyday and now that it's work it isn't good enough even though you know a little work would pump that $250 back to $1000 and you could probably hire a GFY'er $150 a day to do it...

08-03-2010, 02:30 AM	#17
Chosen VIPPay.com \| AdultWebSponsors.com Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 63,151	I have 2 years long rebills with some aff programs

08-03-2010, 08:00 AM	#19
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	there is kinda catch 22 situation here... 1. PPS is a dead model, so everyone should pick revshare BUT.... 2. those that pick revshare actually get double fucked when sponsor goes under.. __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

08-03-2010, 09:37 AM	#21
The Porn Nerd Living The Dream Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Inside a Monitor Posts: 19,611	Well, call me a cynic (or worse) but I actually believe that some programs - SOME - go into this business with the expressed intent of 'harvesting' as many affiliates as possible JUST so they can stop paying ppl when the nut gets big enough. Yes, I'm saying that a lot of these closings are DELIBERATE and well-planned for years now. Not every one, of course, but enough to make me wonder. Makes sense if you don't give a fuck about ppl, this business (or any business), reputations, etc. I mean, how many programs are run by eastern european/russian fucks who would gut their mother for ten bucks? Fuck, many of these people's citizenry is suspect, their entire businesses are fronts for money-laundering and identity theft...I mean, c'mon ppl. Wake up. Promote CCBill sites and call it a day. __________________ My Affiliate Programs: Porn Nerd Cash \| Porn Showcase \| Aggressive Gold Over 90 paysites to promote! Now on Teams: peabodymedia