A lot of people don't like pornographers, but last time I checked pornography was legal.

I don't have a problem if a family member wants to sit and look at porn, no skin off my rump. If they want to get into it as talent that's entirely another matter. I would likely try to dissuade them, but in the end if they're old enough legally then it's their decision. But getting addicted to meth, crack, whatever, that I DO have a problem with. Call it "sitting in judgement" all you want, it's a serious and all too often tragic problem that plagues a lot of families, and mine is no exception.

I have a niece who put my entire family through hell for several years before she finally fled the province (leaving her three small children) because of criminal warrants. Her and her idiot boyfriend were breaking into people's homes in order to fuel their habits. She broke into her own mother's house and stole from her several times. She broke into my other sister's house and stole a pile of stuff, then later when the cops were put onto her trail she threatened and traumatized her aunt (my sister) for years.

I'll go have a beer with a group of "dirty pornographers" any day over a group of meth or crack heads.

That sounds like a person with a problem. But it shouldn't take freedoms and rights away from the vast majority of people who don't have problems.

I've seen a thing or two in this world. And one thing is for sure...some people are just genetically wired to be addicted.

But most aren't. And I say...if a person steals or robs or kills or rapes then let's throw their ass in jail.
If they are partying and getting high and NOT breaking any other laws...then let's keep the govt. OUT of it. That's all I'm arguing. It's NOT the role of govt. to do this.

Again, I say...Do YOU think that any politician or govt. official is sincerely worried about YOU. I don't. I think that every new controlling law that has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with social engineering is just a way for them to consolidate power that the founding fathers never meant them to have.

You think building a huge wall is going to stop drugs from Mexico? Ever heard of planes? Tunnels? Boats? I guess it is true Arizona is slowly becoming the state with the lowest IQ.

No, but I doubt Robbie was trying to buy a case of it either when he was hassled at the store about it. Point being, there's a difference in how this problem affects one's life and it's based on where you happen to live. Which is what I said in one of my earlier posts in this thread.

some people like an intrusive government because it makes them feel less lonely.

The other side of that is me. I've had countless (literally) -- figure every 3 to 4 months for the last 10 years -- surgeries, tons of painful scar tissue, a growth on my spine and the list goes on.

I was first prescribed opiates in 2006. I have had only two increases in dosage. Aside from the Crohn's issues, I live a normal life.

At this point I could be on enough opiates to the point where I could not get out of bed if I wanted to. When I complain of increased pain the first thing the doctor offers is to increase my dose. The answer is NO! I know that it will eventually subside.

Your friend doesn't want to get off drugs. Plain and simple. If he did, he would go on Tramadol, which is a non-narcotic that tricks the brain into thinking it is narcotic. It is not even controlled by the DEA. He could take that for six months and wean himself off opiates.

How do I know this? When my pain is manageable and I don't need the heavy stuff, I switch myself to Tramadol and it keeps withdrawal away.

Nancy Botwin had a nice tunnel coming right into the back room of her maternity store!

God, I cannot wait until the new episode of Weeds starts this month.

I will admit it right here publicly. I am addicted to the show Weeds.

TWEAKER!!!!! :mad:

It was a joke jeez. I understand a wall wont stop shit.

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I have a standing order for Vicodin and Morphine patches...because of mind numbing pain I suffer with 24/7 due to injuries received during Desert Storm in '91. I also have been through a pain management program. I seldom medicate...though up until a few years ago...I did self medicate with alcohol. I just eat the pain.

So there you go, you prove my point! :thumbsup

In other news, there are morphine patches? I'm always hooked up to the pump in the hospital but I didn't know they made morphine patches. Or are you talking about Fentanyl patches?

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We've got to stop this giggling! They'll accuse us of being high!

Smokie Flame. I'm not really gonna ever say anything bad about you to anyone.

I just felt you were way out of line saying that about me. I wouldn't ever go out of my way to hurt somebodies business. Especially someone like you who has their own site and is working to make a living.

I only said that to get you to see that perhaps you should take it easy with name calling on here. People like us have to keep our eyes on potential future business. Most of the guys on here that viciously name call and personally attack others do it anonymously because they enjoy trolling.

Morphine.

However, the old "one (or a few) bad apple(s)" theorem applies all too often in such cases. The problems and the shit caused by others often does end up negatively affecting everyone. If these people would just stay at home and do their drugs and never bother anyone ever then the laws made to control them would in all likelihood be far less pervasive to everyone.

I get what you're saying there and agree with it in part, but I absolutely hate the side of it where addicts use it as a copout. A good part of me thinks, bad genes or not, these people still all had minds of their own going into it, and with the power of choice we all have they still opted to use until addicted, and then keep using until lives are ruined, jobs lost, homes forclosed on, kids taken and ultimately supported by... the state, as in the evil controlling governement.

I don't see it as being as simple as that though. These addicts all too often can't afford to support their habit much less pay for health insurance or medical bills. When they do go for treatment it often takes many tries, many months, even years before they're able to put their lives back together. All they can afford is free treatment, who is paying for it? The state, the government, and ultimately... you.

In other words it's the government's problem whether they make laws about it or not.

I was all set to post another big drawn-out argument here but eh... you're probably right. :D

But I think we can agree that something has to be done. I see moves being made with the stiffer more comprehensive laws etc, but I've also seen a lot of improvement over the years in the medical treatment aspect of the problem that you're pushing for. I believe there has to be a balance, not just one and not the other. And another thing I think most will agree on is that we (as a society) have a long way to go before we hope to get a decent handle on the problem.

Gangs ABSOLUTELY smuggle pseudoephedrine into this country. I didnt say METH was smuggled in, the COMPONENTS that are controlled or watched are. What you fail to understand is that even if the government passes stricter laws on the components here in the USA, GANGS WILL STILL SMUGGLE IN THOSE INGREDIENTS. It curbs NOTHING.

I can tell a lot of you porn fucks have been addicts before.

The way drugs are prevalent and overused and abused today, it's a wonder that humans survived so long without them. Oh yea, the illegal ones too.

Hundit.

I'm pretty sure humans have been getting high since the beginning of recorded history.

Here is a pretty interesting article on drug use in the U.S. :

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/whiteb1.htm

Interesting that there were more drug addicts in 1900 than there are now.

So this war on drugs, is it working?

God bless America

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Internet Theorem 132A.6 :

A thread has reached it's maximum angles of argument, with no side left unturned,
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Yes! The United States now imprisons more of it's own citizens than any other country on Earth! More than "evil" China. More than "evil" Iran. More than "evil" North Korea.

And the great news for the prison industry and of course law enforcement (cops want to keep those jobs) is that drug use keeps going UP! So all those politicians and cops and companies that run prisons can keep on pointing to those numbers and say we need MORE laws, more cops, and more jails! Cha-ching, let the cash registers roll!

Congrats to the winners! :thumbsup

If it were legal there would be no gangs, silly.

Still the same dumbass I see.

Making meth legal would not make it legal for a lab next door to your fucking house. Nothing would change in that regard except the dude making it in a lab would quit making a profit because the drug was more easily available.

If you scared idiots got your way half of our population would be in jail.

Its funny when the government is talking about how bad drugs are while CIA and FBI are the biggest drug dealers in the world.

When I moved to Montreal, I had to let them photocopy my driver's license in order to purchase Gravol

You know this how?

I'm not admitting to or advocating anything, but episode 1 is online