the monkeys they hire to steal content cant figure out how to steal video content

What about people who still look at pictures? I'm one of those people. I don't care about videos or trailers.

Right here your theory is proved to be incorrect. :2 cents:

It depends on the site. Some need it, some don't. But if you have someone looking at photos, it doesn't matter.

hehe jedi, ninja, funny ... I didn't say anything about your site conversion, didn't even bother to check if those are your sites. I just said how those trailers look from my pov, I don't even call that trailer.

No disrespect to you or your sites, I'm just looking at your trailers and giving my honest opinion.

oh and, I do create trailers and I could do far better job, and maybe one day I will knock something up so I can show you just how good my humble skills are :winkwink:

no one size fits all answer to this.

the point being if you have a good product.. show it... they will join ... if you have a shitty product .. (ie) paid for non exclusive content) then by all means don't show it and screw the surfers..... but im telling you shitty members areas with shitty content that the surfer thought was good cause the outside looked good is killing us more than tubes......



surfer A.. joins site with no trailers cause the tour is great.. gets inside and says well this sucks no wonder they didn't have trailers on the outside... now he never joins another paysite again and go's to free porn...

SurferB likes trailer from site... knows what to expect when he gets in... enjoys strokes off and joins another site in the future cause he was not ripped off....

it's simple business guys I am so surprised you all don't understand...... ok so judging by all your theories it's OK to have a shitty members area with shitty clips as long as you get the sale from the tour that does not alert the surfer to said shitty members area?

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This thread.

No, you're mixing everything. You said trailers on tours and how they affect to sales, now you're talking about members areas and retentions, then say others have theories (whic some of us have data to backup) and you come with a theory that MIGHT be backed by a few exceptions and nothing else.

So let's cut to the chase: you may have great content or you may have HORRIBLE content. Barring a few exceptions (I don't know, maybe 0.1%? 0.5%? 20%?) sites with great content and standard trailers will convert worse than sites with great content and no trailers. IN GENERAL. Statistically speaking. So I'd go with a) no trailers or b) sales oriented trailers. How do I know what to do? By using STATISTICS. TRACKING. TESTING. No matter how many theories you have, nothing beats numbers (=money). You can say whatever you want, but at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is how much money I've in my pocket.

Now, if I had HORRIBLE CONTENT, then what's the point to have trailers to show how horrible is my content? Again, I'd go with no trailers.

then, we have retentions. If you think retentions nowadays are based ONLY on great content, then I don't even know what to say. I'd beat most great content sites with just some good non-exclusive content when it comes to retentions by simply using a small part of the money used to shoot exclusive content to create ad maintain retention tools. There are tricks to do it (and nothing shady before you say anything) and there are business models that, with some slight changes, allow your site to be a retention machine. Bar none.

So we get to content. You mentioned Robbie, and that's a GREAT exception since Claudia Marie is everything a porn site should be: it sticks to a theme, a model that is faithful to her site, it has humor, it is original, it's fun, the model isn't just "yawn... another porn scene" but she seems to have a great time or at least willing to give a great time to her members. But again, this is an EXCEPTION.

More than 90% of sites using exclusive content are absolutely boring, it's just the same scene after scene, just changing the model. Let alone if we're talking about niches, most "niche sites" content is off niche, esp if we're talking about fetishes (I'm talking about multi-sites companies, small sites usually know what they're doing). So, in this context... what's the point to pay for a membership? And how the hell are they going to retain? Most sites with budgets able to pay for exclusive content could be making 10, 20 or 100 times more than what they do now by just changing the business model and the way they deliver content. Granted. In the meanwhile, most companies are busy crying about tubes and those filthy affiliates (who built their businesses in the first place) when some of the solutions are right in front of them. Fuck, they're yelling in they ears "here I am, use me!!!" and many companies are totally deaf (as in "I'll only do something once someone else does it, then I'll copy it. In the meanwhile I'll be happy losing money rather than doing something")

So, in short, you mixed everything and your premise is still wrong. Numbers, mister, it's all about numbers (=money).

You don't want to know my answer to that :winkwink: :1orglaugh

Wonder when someone will try an all text page, no pictures or anything, and just describe what the site offers and have a join button. See how that converts.

It was made many times, and results weren't that bad. Of course, no "0 images", but very little, I've seen sites with no more than 5-6 non-linked previews. All in all, this will work only for very exclusive fetishes and/or some amateur sites with some specific twists

There are tons of tours that simply convert better without trailers.
Unless you have A and B tested your tour with 100's or joins you will never know.

FHG are some of the WORST converting sales tools on the earth.
Look at the ration from surfer viewing the FHG to actually joining
You are in the 1:10,000's

So you are wrong . Have a nice weekend

What do people think of tours that basically show the entire contents of the members section? Overkill? Better to just show the best and keep them guessing about the rest?

No they're not. Free hosted galleries were great for making sales before the explosion of piracy a couple of years ago.

I made 7 figures a year just off hosted galleries on my tgps up until early 2008.
It all depends what freesite the hosted galleries appear on.

What is your tgp that you ran them on? Mine, for instance have always been clean and done by hand. If you put a hosted gallery on a circle jerk, blind links everywhere piece of shit cookie cutter "pretend" tgp...then of course they aren't gonna convert.

But when I had tons of traffic on my tgp's I stopped taking submissions back in 2002 and went 100% hosted galleries. I made a fortune that way.

And look at FreeOnes. They still have a bit of traffic even today. And they still make sales everyday off of hosted galleries. I know, because they use mine to make sales to Claudia-Marie

I think the OG's in this thread know what im talking about

Alexa Traffic Rank: 561

a bit?

Yeah, they bring in a ton of traffic off of the search engines for every models name they have in their data base. So they are still getting traffic in. One of the few free sites still getting it that way. A great idea when they started years ago that is still serving them well today.

But I would think that they have probably seen a drop in uniques per day to the site overall over the last couple of years. Though nothing like the precipitous drop that 99.9% of us saw.

I straight out lost over a million uniques a day of REAL traffic (not pop ups or blindlinks, but bookmark traffic) once pornhub, redtube, etc. hit the scene. :(

Anyway, that was my point. That if you have a tgp or freesite that uses FHG's and it's a clean site with lots of real traffic (and by "real" I mean people who came to the site on purpose), then you can most definitely make good sales with FHG's all day everyday.

Unfortunately, there are only a few "legit" freesites left with that kind of traffic. Most surfers prefer to see full scenes over a hosted gallery in 2010. I can't blame them one bit. But it's killing the biz for sure.