Really?

http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12785291

Exactly my thought. J, we all know your vendetta against Donny. Seriously though... the scenario is bunk.

THats nothing like the scenario laid out...

Uh... ok?

A person who never shot a pistol might miss that's why its better to have this..

http://www.autoburst.net/graphics/Rifles/Moss500.jpg

Could you elaborate on this please?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

No, it's really not bunk at all.

Letting the world know you are carrying can generate a few different reactions:

1: If there is somebody who intends harm to others and they know you are packing, you have just painted a target on yourself. People still rob banks that have armed guards, but they typically neutralize that threat.

2: Since not everybody is comfortable around guns, you could inadvertently create a situation that ends up hurting you like 21 days ago when Police murdered a man in a Las Vegas Costco store simply because somebody noticed he was packing and called the cops.

3: Just like on GFY, some people run their mouths in real life. They wanna call you a pussy for carrying a gun in public or whatever. The bottom line is that this creates a challenge situation when no situation needed to be created in the first place.

4: The element of surprise is completely gone. Should you need to use your weapon, you've lost that second or 2 advantage.

All this being said, there are some states that I do not have a CWP for. In those states, I often open carry, when allowed, but I'm very aware of my surroundings and I take extra precautions to limit the visibility of my gun. IE, while standing at a counter I will turn sideways so my gun is under the counter and out of site of those standing around me. I'll also make sure my gun side is towards the inside of a table instead of exposed to the entire restaurant. Etc...

If you're carrying a gun simply to let others know you are carrying a gun, you're a fucking tool and yes, you most likely will end up with trouble.

Shreveport, LA.

This is what you would think but nobody can shoot. Don't believe me? Take a cop or thug to the shooting range. :1orglaugh

Mostly because that article is full of lies to cover up the cops fuck ups.

Bottom line is the man was licensed to carry and somebody called the cops on him for it because he was arguing with store management. The cops reacted wrong, put excessive rounds into the man, & killed him.

Big ass cover up ensues.....

Had nobody known he was carrying, he would still be alive.

And here Aaron makes the arguments for the other side/opinion I mentioned before... but since you ended your post by talking about your own carry habits, I'd say you must think letting people know outweighs the risk of them knowing. Is that correct?

What the hell are you talking about? You said you don't carry a gun to avoid a fight, you carry it to resolve some situation where a madman is shooting up some place in public. You also pointed out that people who only have a gun in the house for protection in case of a break-in are more dangerous than these weird-ass survivalist nutballs that carry guns in public. I pointed out that situation one is about as likely as winning the lottery, or less so. Your second hypothesis is just ridiculous.

I shot 38 out of 40 human silhouettes for an expert rating in the US Army. Whether you can shoot better than me or not doesn't really matter, because I can definitely hit some fuck sneaking around in my house, as can just about anyone at close range. I also don't need hollow point cop killers to stop the crackhead who just jimmied my back door.

See, it's shit like that that makes gun fanatics so dangerous. Carrying around a 9 on your ankle and a .45 in your waistband loaded with hollow points, just waiting for somebody to fuck with you. That may not apply to you personally, but it applies to probably about 95% of these guys. They carry those guns in case of road rage. Or in case some black dude disrespects them in a mall. A chickenshit gun nut walking around mad at the world who thinks the govt. and Mexicans are out to get them is just about the most dangerous individual to have walking our streets I can imagine.

Or a group of webmasters.

Most of you fuckers should not be allowed around firearms.

Yeah shotguns are best for home defense, but I like keeping my pistol in the drawer right by my head. I don't want to leave a shotgun out on display where I can get to it quick, and I don't want it on a closet shelf in case I DO need to get to it quick. I have a 9mm with 16 rds in the clip, and if I can't take someone out with that, I don't deserve to live lol

Not at all. I never intend to let people know and prefer that they never do. I'm always covering my gun with my arm to decrease exposure. I'd prefer that all states honor each others CCW permits.

1. People rob banks for the money and yes they neutralize a threat... thats a plan of success. They didnt enter the bank to go at the guys with guns because they know they have them. I dont see this as the same...

2. Sure they noticed a gun and that may have triggered the cop response and evacuation, but as I read it, the guy was abusing their store and when confronted by police pulled his gun. I believe thats a bit more than just having a gun got him killed. He fucked up big time while having a gun. Probably didnt go through or abide by the training he was offered.

3. If someone finds another as a challenge simply because they are carrying... then youre dealing with a mental issue. If the person carrying is not posing a threat other than having himself armed... then there ideally shouldnt be an problem.

4. lost advantage... right... but again. people reading this arent going to be seeking Donny out... at least id hope not as theyd be giant hypocrites.

I was merely talking about the scenario Jman laid out about having a dude eager for a gun at a gun store eye balling Donny brag about his 2 firearms he now carries.

Obviously you know far more about fireamrs and their contorl, but I was arguing the logic of the comparison.

You wanna duke this out? :1orglaugh

well then...

Um...No, I didn't.

"That may not apply to you personally, but it applies to probably about 95% of these guys."

And I'm not necessarily speaking directly about YOU throughout that post either. Not one thing I have posted is ridiculous but pulling bullshit stats out of your ass that detract from your credibility is.

So knowing this, you should also know that you can get shotguns that will fit in your nightstand nicely. The Serbu Super Shorty comes to mind and it's around the same price as a good handgun plus the one time cost of the tax stamp.

Nice, I dig the flip grip.

I don't need stats to know that some guy who bought the seed bank from the Glenn Beck show to prepare for the coming apocalypse walking around the mall armed to the teeth is a bad thing. And that's who most of these CCW freaks are, walking into restaurants with a loaded sidearm in a holster like Doc Holliday. It's ridiculous.

I got a 9mm, I got a pit bull, I got bjj training too although I'm fat and old now. If that's not enough, then I'm never going to feel safe enough. I think I've done what's necessary already lol... Although if I had known about that before I got the handgun it would have definitely been an option.

I can see maybe carrying some Mace or a stun gun in public. Something non-lethal. A loaded gun is overdoing it.

completely false... Sure there are those nuts. But far more sane people carry for reasons rather than delusions.

Or even worse, watch them in the line of duty.

http://www.lfpress.com/news/london/2.../14465336.html

19 shots fired, nothing hit but residential houses.:(

edit: also total bullshit that he stopped to take a firing position when he had no weapon. A man that just robbed a bunch of places for money is not looking for death by cop. If he was, he would have quit running.

You're obviously very ignorant of real facts, and instead make up your own. In the last 4 months I've had conversations with literally dozens of people who carry concealed. I've known some of them for years and never had a clue they carried. These are conservative little grand mothers, college aged guys and girls, pastors, business owners... normal, everyday people.

1: Sorry, I thought we were discussing whether or not announcing to the world that you are carrying a gun is the right thing to do and could potentially cause you problems.

2: The guy was flat out murdered. What you read in that article is lies. Too many eye witnesses with a different story and a video system that just happens to be experiencing "technical difficulties."

3: Agreed, however, see my response to #2.

4: I'm not talking about Donny specifically.

That's your misguided interpretation and opinions, not facts or laws.

I accept your apology...

It as nothing to do with donny, any Idiot letting the world knows he carries to weapons IS an idiot.

And is this Donny we are talking to, seems to me cheeseburger man been arguing he was not :1orglaugh

well its obvious he is, so lets get past that, although he didnt say he was or wasnt. Word games. good times...

Uh huh. Sure you have. You have a conversation nearly every day - assuming 'dozens' refers to at least three dozen - in the past four months with random people in which they confess to you that they have a pistol in their underwear. Especially little old ladies, they're really well known for being so forthcoming about that. What, are you going to NRA meetings every single day?

Isn't there something in the bible about giving false witness?

YOu think little old ladies and school moms and tax accountants and college girls and strippers and church folk and aunt margret arent CCW?

Its just 90% nutjobs waiting to pop a cap on any confrontation?

come on now...

Do you always insist on seeing everything from your own perspective, never considering your perspective might need glasses?

Imagine this, genius:
You live in a smallish community. In that community are a handful of gun stores. Almost every time you visit one, which is pretty regularly, the place is packed so full of people that you must wait for significant amounts of time to be assisted. Now imagine that instead of just standing there silently you actually have conversations with others. And, since you all happen to be in a GUN STORE, one topic of conversation is CCW laws. Now, since aforementioned community is smallish, do you think you might run into people you know? Do you think you might say something like, "Well, Betty! I never took you for the gun owning type! In fact, my preconceived ideas about gun owners sure have been changing these last 4 months!"


Imagine... it's easy if you try. :)

And if I told you I have had similar conversations?

BTW....Everybody needs an M79 for home protection these days, I suggest you pick one up ASAP. A little too big for the nightstand but it can lean up beside one and still not be "on display." :winkwink:

http://ampcontent.com/pics/M79.jpg

Is that a fucking grenade launcher?


EDIT - Its the fucking Thumper!

I qualified on that in the Navy, damn fun with the right ammo

Favorite thing to shoot in the military was the M-14, I really didn't see missing with that


As for how cops shoot, I would agree most can't shoot for shit, I've been to the range when they were qualifying, scary how bad some were
Daughter got a ribbon for the pistol in boot camp, hehe

I was shooting with 2 US Air Marshals last week. They were practicing drawing and shooting from airplane seats. They need still need more practice.

Dam that's awesome. I need to move to the US.

Dad is a member of the Single Action Shooters Society, they're cowboy shooters, they set up all sorts of scenarios to shoot from, I saw one time, they had to shoot while sitting in a bathtub

http://www.droidedup.com/macgyver.jpg



You guys crack me up... :1orglaugh

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Cheesehead Nacho Burger was at the mall yesterday, here is an exclusive photograph obtained by PenisFace news.

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why don't you pay tobe off instead?

AaronM, I can shoot. My dad was a competition shooter in the National Guard and he taught me well. He has plenty of toys now but he also has a concealed carry permit as he desperately needed it for his job.

That said, most cops / thugs can't shoot for shit so I agree with you. :upsidedow

shoot yourself with both of them.

LOL, he would probably shoot his nuts off, if he had any... :1orglaugh

Once a cuckold, always a cuckold:

http://cuckold-chastity-belt-stories...1247638487.jpg

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I'm working on getting mine down here in Panama. Gotta get that resident visa first.