Thank you CCBill, the only choice now

[cambaby]

The only programs that have been paying me consistently have been through CCbill so I must say thank you to them for being such a solid and reputable processor.

Id like to put AFF in the thank you category as well, nothing else compares.

[Randy West]

Because they have nothing to lose... they split the profits as a middleman. Do the math.

Allow Joe Shmo to do the math/shaves? Or have a company that has no other vested interest other than to process credit cards as an intermediary do it. You be the judge.

CCBill saw it coming a long time ago, and we all did. We just trusted BRO with our clicks and thought they would never fold up the card table and head for the hills.

CCBill will hang no matter what happens to the industry, because they are honest.

[MrDeiz]

umm...

ccbill is great and stable indeed, but cascading billing is almost the only reason why people migrate from ccbill to nats in big number
lots of controversy regarding their billing lately

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by daizzzy

umm... ccbill is great and stable indeed, but cascading billing is almost the only reason why people migrate from ccbill to nats in big number lots of controversy regarding their billing lately

1. Many people in this business are short sighted
2. Id rather miss a few sales and keep a customer than bang the fuck out of their cards and get charge backs.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by cambaby

1. Many people in this business are short sighted
2. Id rather miss a few sales and keep a customer than bang the fuck out of their cards and get charge backs.

totally agree with you
ccbill is the best thing in adult industry in terms of working great for program owners, affilaites and surfers, but it's too far from being ideal. and their billing is the major issue

[Fat Panda]

My ccbill conversions have went to shit but their checks sure show up like clockwork.

[RyuLion]

100x thumbs up for ccbill!

[MrDeiz]

another thing what bothers me is their huge fail with wms

there was like 3 attempts to launch it and afterall it appeared that it's nothing but one single bug (i mention this because just talked with program owner which was told by ccbill to start his brand new program with wms, he was not aware regarding all that wms thing. it took some time for him to figure out all those issues, it appeared he can't run his biz normally at wms and got new acc for his program at ccbill legacy)

they have pretty high fee rate they charge affiliates and program owner with. and that wms is total waste of money. so it's kinda emberassing

but again, ccbill legacy program is better than nats

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by daizzzy

but again, ccbill legacy program is better than nats

especially during these times when program are dying like flies ccbill is the only option to get paid

it's kinda funny to see all those suicidal newbies starting up brand new program with nats

[Sly]

Originally Posted by cambaby

1. Many people in this business are short sighted
2. Id rather miss a few sales and keep a customer than bang the fuck out of their cards and get charge backs.

2. You realize that you can operate on a system aside from CC Bill without "banging the fuck out of their cards," right?

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by daizzzy

especially during these times when program are dying like flies ccbill is the only option to get paid it's kinda funny to see all those suicidal newbies starting up brand new program with nats

Yes it is too bad because over the last year Ive been removing programs that dont have a ccbill option, my network isnt huge(24mill uniques a year total) but in these volatile times I cannot take the chance.... and yes I have my eggs in other baskets but when it comes to adult affiliate programs Im not touch anything non-ccbill related for years.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by Sly

2. You realize that you can operate on a system aside from CC Bill without "banging the fuck out of their cards," right?

Obviously there are solid programs not using CCbill, they are rare in my opinion tho and for the smaller affiliate, which frankly no program REALLY gives a fuck about it just makes it that much harder when a loss happens.

BROgrams not only burn customers they burn the people promoting them, for bigger programs this of course is non-consequential.

[cambaby]

Sly may I also mention that ccbill is used more frequently by much smaller programs with lots of true amateur content, and quite frankly for me those sell WAY better than the big programs have in the last few years so its just made SENSE for me and its given me a peace of mind to focus more on sales and less on monitoring who is and isnt on the up and up.

[ruff]

After getting ripped off for thousands and thousands of dollars from companies like ProAdult and other sponsors with their proprietary merchant accounts. I stopped promoting any company that even has the remotest ability to tamper with my money. I only promote CC Bill accounts and all of my programs are processed by CC Bill. They may not be perfect, but they are honest, consistent and stable. The best thing for me, my amateur girls, and my affiliates is that they handle the money. Hearing about the many various sponsors going out of business, shutting down affiliates, or simply closing makes me think I should have made this move several years before.

[Jakez]

They are reliable, but that's about all the good I can say about them.

The linking structure sucks, it's very easy to use the wrong linking codes if you aren't familiar with it all, the stats are a pain in the ass to go through and it's missing a lot of helpful features others have. And there is without a doubt some kind of internal problem causing ratios to tank besides problems like the bad economy and free porn.

[cambaby]

Originally Posted by Jakez

They are reliable, but that's about all the good I can say about them. The linking structure sucks, it's very easy to use the wrong linking codes if you aren't familiar with it all, the stats are a pain in the ass to go through and it's missing a lot of helpful features others have. And there is without a doubt some kind of internal problem causing ratios to tank besides problems like the bad economy and free porn.

Agree with most of what you said, certainly room for improvement, trust in this business is very sketchy to hand out anyways but Im just saying if I have to trust someone in this business Ill cast my lot with them for the time being.

[SwirlsGirl]

All that glitters ain't gold with processors... I am getting to the point after being burned for thousands of dollars by multiple processors/billing companies/affiliate programs over the years...I dare to say none of them are exempt or devoid from mischief and chicanery.

Without collective oversight,audit, or an association of webmasters willing to oversee...I am afraid all of us are vulnerable and at the mercy of the billing companies, and have to take them at their WORD of being honest and having nothing to hide.

Unfortunately just because a company has not burned you does not mean they have not burned others, and because they have not been caught red handed does not mean they are 100% trustworthy!

just sayin

[Rochard]

I got my CCBill check this morning. Thanks guys!

[Klen]

I dont know,this is my worst month ever on ccbill for some reason.

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by cambaby

the only choice now

..

[BittieBucks]

For us when we launched the new BittieBucks.com program it was the only choice for us... to CCBill

[NaughtyRob]

Can't go wrong with CCBill programs, you know you will get paid.

[signupdamnit]

Originally Posted by NaughtyRob

Can't go wrong with CCBill programs, you know you will get paid.

Less fixed overhead (fixed costs as opposed to being % based) for the program owner as well means that keeping the program open in tough times is more viable. Those affiliate back ends aren't free and neither are the other costs such as accounting and sending out checks. CCbill is definitely a good choice in these times for both the sponsor and the affiliate.

[DebsDeep]

Right on guys, us ccbill programs pay
amateur content pays off
when its amateur content like we have your bound to do well!

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by cambaby

Id like to put AFF in the thank you category as well, nothing else compares.

Bollox, AFF goes into the FUCK YOU category. After Zango, i wouldn't touch those scum with a bargepole.

[JuicyBunny]

I just wish they would monitor content better. Whats the ratio for processing real sites vs pirates now...?

[Trend]

I like CCBill .. the people and the company but this year... 1:65146.6

I have no idea what the .6 is lol but pull that .6 out and it's still not worth sending the traffic.

Or to put it another way for me at least :

2010 NATS Sponsors: 1:1374

2010 MPA3 Sponsors : 1:1603

2010 CCBill: 1:65146.6

[pornmasta]

Originally Posted by Trend

2010 CCBill: 1:65146.6

ccbill is not your sponsor
Crappy sponsor = crappy stats

[Realgfs]

Nice to see people getting aware that big PPS is not always the way to go

[WebCashMaker]

WebCashMaker has been with CCBILL since 2005 !


Thanks for CCBILL and all the affilates for the support !

[rayadp05]

I love CCBill and have been using them as my billing processor and affiliate backend for 5 years now. And yes - you are correct, the checks are always sent out....and sent out on time.

If you are looking for another CCBill program (with 100% real and exclusive amateur girls that are converting very well) to add to your list of programs, be sure to check out the program for True Amateur Models by clicking the sig below.

[femdomdestiny]

Last month I've removed almost all links that are not using CCbill on my network. And I was planning to do that long ago. All I can say is that it was a good thing to do. I was screwed so many times for money and it was always with programs not using CCbill,to be more precise, programs that are handling payments on their own. Fuck that, I was always waiting for some money even if they pay,and with CCbill, I precisely know when I will get my money. As I am concerned, only CCbill and verotel processed sites will be promoted by me if they continue to work this way.

[sumz]

Love ccbill as well. From now on I am promoting ccbill and very few other trusted programs.
The new sales and rebills have been down for me on ccbill though.

[Dirty Dane]

Never missed or delayed a payment from ccbill.

[MrDeiz]

too bad ccbill staff isn't participating in these threads
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=977753
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=973671

where some sopport is needed indeed for program owners and affiliates

[Naechy]

thanks again

[CCBill Paul]

Thank you for the kind words everyone!

Originally Posted by daizzzy

too bad ccbill staff isn't participating in these threads
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=977753
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=973671

where some sopport is needed indeed for program owners and affiliates

Hi Daizzzy, we do not comment publicly about individual accounts and their settings. That being said, we are of course always available off the board to assist any of our clients with anything regarding their accounts.

[Hunter_ST]

As a program owner, I get emails on declined cards and I really don't see many of those at all. Usually it'll be a decline due to insufficient funds followed by the same guy trying other cards then being blocked for having tried too many times. Not sure that person is really a potential customer regardless of processor.

Been with them since 2004 and always had good support from them.

[Gerco]

I like ccbill. The fee's are a little high, but at least I know I'm getting paid, and the affiliates that push me are getting paid. I find it funny how everyone who ran to the Bro programs are now bitching about getting burned. Some of the same people that wouldn't give ccbill ran sites a chance before because of the lack of cascade, I guess the greed finally caught up.

Everytime I hear of another PPS program and "big bro" program biting the dust and taking all the affiliate cash with them I have to chuckle. I don't know if they actually make a font large enough for the "I Told You So" that needs to be shard.

Promote a site running Ccbill and you get paid by ccbill directly. The webmasters never have their hands on "your" hard earned affiliate cash. That alone would make most people sleep a little better at night but the 60-100 PPS 70% revshare on personal merchant accounts made people stupid.

[MrDeiz]

Originally Posted by CCBill Paul

Thank you for the kind words everyone!




Hi Daizzzy, we do not comment publicly about individual accounts and their settings. That being said, we are of course always available off the board to assist any of our clients with anything regarding their accounts.

actually around 15% of ACTIVE CCBill programs are experiencing that issue. i and some program owners have explained the reason of it (it's not like they did that on purpose, but they couldn't figure out how to set their acc correct). so you could get yourself involved and it would be better for everyone.

regarding our icq chat. it's not like i attack ccbill. i only bring those issues i experience day from day. i wish you all the best and in my personal opinion you are the best option for adult industry, but you became too lazy and don't wish to do anything besides basic support

why haven't u explained this idiot what was wrong with his porgram http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=977753
(he has fixed that already)

[Yanks_Todd]

Originally Posted by pornopete

Using another processor because their credit card was declined by your main processor is not a good practice IMHO

There are lots of situations where this makes sense. I use cascading billing simply because each processor has strengths and weaknesses and each has varying levels of security. Some surfers get bumped for odd reasons and then are accepted by the next processor. In most cases there is nothing wrong with the sale just differences in how their CC is handled.