I think Gideon is still busy looking for that email he supposedly send Doc, but it appears to have gotten lost in the "swarm" and he is having trouble "access shifting" it back to his computer.

i guess we will see how far he is willing to go...

i seriously doubt these are corporations streaming these fights..

I have watched those streams for a few minutes or so just to see the main event but would NEVER spend $60 to watch that roid rage

Nope, but the people who enjoy MMA fighting would. And those are the ones watching the free streams that the UFC is losing potential sales to. Not people like you who don't even like it.

I believe he sued the bar owner that let someone hook a laptop up to his bar TV for $640,000 plus legal fees. Ouch.

The UFC's product went through the rod and cone receptors in their eyeballs and went into their stupid brains, which caused them to enjoy the UFC's product, gay as it is. Does it matter if they "would have" or "wouldn't have"?

Let's say that hypothetically, you don't like Urban Outfitters clothes. You're hanging with a friend and they go to Urban Outfitters, so you tag along and and steal a shirt while one of the skinny hipster employees isn't looking. You wear the shirt, even though would have never bought it. Is it stealing?

So lets apply that thinking to the paysite market.

People are unwilling to pay $30 a month for a membership and if we bought it down to $15 approx we would all be making a lot more money.

Great thinking.

Downside. There's little space to cut on hosting, programs, content, admin, etc. So the cut will have to be be on the traffic side of the business. Affiliates will get $1-$5 a join. :1orglaugh

Back in the real world where most of us live...................... :1orglaugh

You said a mouthful just in that statement. :thumbsup

I never said to apply it to the paysite market. Obviously that doesn't work. I am applying it to the situation of the UFC only, and other LIVE PPV events. I have stopped buying fights because they are too expensive. I'll just read the play by play on sherdog.com from now on. Like I said, I would buy most of them if they were $30 cheaper. Every person I know that is a fan would too.

Now compare this with porn. UFC PPVs are live events, not something you just access every time you want to rub one out. I don't care what you charge for a porn paysite membership, because I would never pay for one. Why would you when everything is available free on the tubes? Totally different scenario. Their PPVs are too expensive, that is my only point.

Porn is a totally different ballgame, because everyone wants to give it all away for free. You don't need to pirate porn.(at least the end users don't)

The difference here is that we're talking about intangible goods, so the cost to copy them is very small. Using your car analogy, another shop would have found some way of making a slightly inferior Ferrari clone at near zero cost (and would price them accordingly)

Theft of a physical item results in an absolute measurable loss - the value of the item.

Theft (by copying to multiple receivers) of a digital stream will result in a loss, but it is not simply the value of original_stream_cost X pirate_viewers.

Just look at the comments on the torrent related articles that gideongallery posts, those guys have zero intention of ever paying, and even think it's their right to stick it to the man... :2 cents:

The thing about that is...only a very small percentage of those thieves would even think that way if it weren't for piracy.

If they HAD to pay to see porn, eventually they would. Even if it was just one time. Curiosity and human perversion would get to them.

But when it already is sitting there for free...and then places like GFY and a thousand other forums give thieves like gideongallery a voice to encourage theft...and then surfer forums with millions of uniques a day and links every paysite's entire ripped members areas are posted and categorized for ease of use...

Well those kinds of things convert people into BECOMING a person who "would never pay".

All those people WERE potential customers and it used to be our job as marketers to convince them to buy. But now? Good luck.

What you would do is fucking irrelevant. Do you not think that these people, worth millions of dollars, haven't studied what effect each price point has on their bottom line? I assure you, they don't need your fucking help.

That's OK. They don't need my $59.99 either.

Yep, not only do they never have any intention of paying, the are proud to be pirating, say that any law against pirating will only make them do it more and in many cases they actually see themselves as some kind of revolutionary.

I actually read one comment where a guy said that they should band together and petition state attorney generals to ask for help in stopping the RIAA, MPAA and other media producers for using intimidating and heavy handed scare tactics against them. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Imagine the letter: "Dear State Attorney General. I would like report an abuse. I download movies and music and games and whatever I want for free from various torrent sites. The copyright holders of this material are angry about this because they don't understand how the swarm works and that the VCR is legal. They are trying to scare me by threatening to sue me if I don't stop taking their stuff. Please tell them to stop and to leave me alone to take whatever I want. Thank you. "