I am sorry, but :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

No idea. I like music, but not as much to be able to select one as "most groundbreaking of all time".

I just don't think of music that way at all...

MOST ground-breaking...
Metallica - Kill 'Em All.

Runner up...
Nirvana - Nevermind

You sir are 100% correct, Brian Wilson was/is a musical genius. The best part about the Beach Boys/ Beatles feud is that Brian Wilson openly sent music to John Lennon just to piss him off. Matter of fact its been well documented that Pet Sounds drove John Lennon crazy and he had nightmares that he could and never would top with Brain was doing...oddly enough he was right.

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Although not a big seller for the band originally, Pet Sounds has been influential since the day it was released. Rapturously received in Britain, it was lauded in the music press and championed by many top pop stars. The Beatles, for example, have said that Pet Sounds was a major influence on their album Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, and Paul McCartney has repeatedly named it as one of his favorite albums (with "God Only Knows" as his favorite song) ? completing a circle begun by The Beatles' influence on Wilson. McCartney stated that:

? It was Pet Sounds that blew me out of the water. I love the album so much. I've just bought my kids each a copy of it for their education in life ... I figure no one is educated musically 'til they've heard that album ... I love the orchestra, the arrangements ... it may be going overboard to say it's the classic of the century ... but to me, it certainly is a total, classic record that is unbeatable in many ways ... I've often played Pet Sounds and cried. I played it to John [Lennon] so much that it would be difficult for him to escape the influence ... it was the record of the time. The thing that really made me sit up and take notice was the bass lines ... and also, putting melodies in the bass line. That I think was probably the big influence that set me thinking when we recorded Pepper, it set me off on a period I had then for a couple of years of nearly always writing quite melodic bass lines. "God Only Knows" is a big favourite of mine ... very emotional, always a bit of a choker for me, that one. On "You Still Believe in Me", I love that melody - that kills me ... that's my favourite, I think ... it's so beautiful right at the end ... comes surging back in these multi-coloured harmonies ... sends shivers up my spine.[26] ?

Other artists have also cited Pet Sounds as one of the all time classic albums. Eric Clapton stated that "I consider Pet Sounds to be one of the greatest pop LPs to ever be released. It encompasses everything that's ever knocked me out and rolled it all into one."[27]

Elton John has said of the album, "For me to say that I was enthralled would be an understatement. I had never heard such magical sounds, so amazingly recorded. It undoubtedly changed the way that I, and countless others, approached recording. It is a timeless and amazing recording of incredible genius and beauty."[24]

Beatles producer George Martin stated that "Without Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper wouldn't have happened... Pepper was an attempt to equal Pet Sounds."[28]

Bob Dylan has said of Brian Wilson's talents, "That ear ? I mean, Jesus, he's got to will that to the Smithsonian."[29]

In 1995, nearly thirty years after its release, a panel of top musicians, songwriters and producers assembled by MOJO magazine voted it "The Greatest Album Ever Made." It was number one in New Musical Express's list "The 100 Best Albums". In 1997, Pet Sounds was named the 26th greatest album of all time in a Music of the Millennium poll conducted in the United Kingdom by HMV, Channel 4, The Guardian and Classic FM. In 2006 Q magazine readers voted it the 18th greatest album of all time; critics of German magazine Spex voted it the best album of the 20th Century; in 2001 the TV channel VH1 placed it at #3. The Times magazine ranked it the greatest album of all time. It also placed #2 on Rolling Stone's list of the 500 greatest albums of all time behind only Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band by The Beatles. In 2004, it was one of 50 recordings chosen by the Library of Congress to be added to the National Recording Registry.

In 2006, the album was chosen by TIME as one of the 100 best albums of all time.[30]

The album was named as one of Classic Rock magazine's "50 Albums That Built Prog Rock".[31]

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For my picks:
Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
Slayer - Reign in Blood
Nirvana - Nevermind
Jimi Hendrix - Are You Experienced
Robert Johnson - All Time Blues
Wu Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang
Misfits - Walk Among Us

If that's the first thing released by him, then I'd agree. Everyone can talk Beatles etc. all day long, but looking at music TODAY, Elvis shaped it more than anyone because he's pretty much the first to create the pop frenzy. Beatles may have shaped a lot of good music, but Elvis has had more of an impact on the music industry as a whole I think.

yep, bad brains pretty much invented thrash and speed metal with that one release

yeah frank invented the concept disc for sure

true dat for sure.... him and son house

That's a good point. But Paul's point was ALBUM oriented. Elvis never put together a concept album that influenced the creation of albums afterwards.

Of course Elvis changed everything.

But the "pop frenzy" thing I have to disagree with. That's always existed with popular singers throughout time. For instance before Elvis it was Frank.

Yep...as far as I rememeber, That's All Right was his first.

Pet Sounds is my most favorite ever, so after the Elvis tune...that would be mine pick.

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Humpty Dance is a song anyone remembers because it has a bass line that has been sampled and used by dozens of major acts since then. It's also where Tupac got his start in music and the bridge between Clinton funk from the 70s and rap from the 90s. The Digital Underground toured for more than 20 years. Anything 'funky' you hear today, they had a hand in... :2 cents:

Being from Detroit originally:

Iggy & The Stooges - First Two Albums
Mc5 - Kick Out The Jams

Huge influence on many later bands.....

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Pretty much all punk followed after them and their sound is what lead to bands like U2 later on (according to Bono). :2 cents:

How so?
There are 100s or euro death metal bands that were directly influenced by his album
there are countless heavy metal and punk bands that draw major inspirations from this album. Until that time, no one was really combining those elements together. There were some crossover bands that tried and some of them (like DRI and Cryptic Slaughter) that have their own place in the growing history of that genre.

In their genre, this album was THE blueprint. All of the drumbeat blasts, double bass drumming, etc. taking place in all this nu metal, death metal, etc. came from that album.

The engineering of the album was responsible for the way this type of music is engineered and produced. It was almost by accident due to the low recording budget.

The album has a flow to it and a rhythm that transpires through it all as a common thread. Yet through this, it was one big cacophony of noise. There were no "chorus/verse/chorus/verse" by the numbers song structures. They managed to write songs that didn't even have rhyming choruses, yet made it all thread together and not sound awkward. This was a time when some of their heavier peers were playing 6-7-8 minute long complex songs. They managed to crunch their songs down to 2 minutes blasts of brutality (like some of their own punk influences). There just wasn't anything like it out there when this album was released. There were all the cheesy satan bands trying to one up each other being "more evil than the others" but Slayer just went out there and destroyed them all, especially on this album.

Go to any hard rock/heavy metal festival and more than half of the bands on any of those bills was inspired by this bands and more specifically this album.

This album sent 1000s of kids into their garages to start similar bands. They bought up BC Rich guitars and distortion pedals in droves.

I believe those kinds of things make this album truly groundbreaking. This album is almost 24 years old and is still as brutal today as it was when it was released.

Or maybe you have a different view of what makes something groundbreaking?

Wasn't the bass line stolen (I mean sampled) from Sly and the Family Stone?

Not to my knowledge...

Radiohead's OK Computer

Nirvana's Nevermind

yup... frank is the guy

Sampled from Sly and the Family Stone and someone else too and sampling has been around since the 60s so it wasn't exactly groundbreaking in 1990.


Everyone's idea of groundbreaking is going to be influenced by their own taste in music though. If anyone mentions rock to me it goes in one ear and out the other because I personally think it's shit. It doesn't mean it IS shit just that I don't like it and they could very well think any music I like is complete bollocks instead.

this one.

you people who keep saying "nirvana - nevermind" are a bunch of idiots.

that album broke nothing. they basically ripped of their style from the pixies.

I think you guys overlooked one...

Appetite for Destruction - Gn'R

The Ramones

Frank Zappa - Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar opened my ears
But there are so many great artists with ground breaking albums, hard to choose one

there are some. mainly personal favourites.

wagon christ - sorry i make you lush
pink floyd - the wall
burial - untrue
dream theater - metropolis pt 2 (SFAM)
peeping tom (by mike patton / ex-faith no more)
chemical brothers - dig your own hole

and so on.. each musical style has its few golden gems i think

Sgt. Pepper
Boston's first album
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon

Nope you're the idiot.

It doesn't matter who they ripped off. Fact is Nevermind IS the album that broke big and changed the music industry in the early 1990's. NOT The Pixies.

It's just like Harvey Mandel is the real guy who perfected tapping technique on guitar several years before Eddie Van Halen copied him. But it was Van Halen who broke it big and was the influence that changed the way guitarists played, not Mandel.

This thread is one big megalulz, aside from Brian Eno's Another Green World none of the albums listed in this thread are nearly as groundbreaking as the ones below:

Slint - Spiderland
Modern Lovers - s/t
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
Television - Marquee Moon
Ildjarn - Forest Poetry
Nick Drake - Pink Moon
Steve Reich - Music for 18 Musicians

Again read my post just above yours. It's not about musicians doing groundbreaking music or techniques on their respective instruments. It's about groundbreaking albums that changed the direction of the music industry. We would need a separate thread for everybody on GFY to list their opinion of the greatest albums/musicians/songwriters/influences because that is totally subjective.

The original question in this post isn't subjective. It's historical fact in the record industry. Sgt. Peppers was the first concept album that sold in numbers enough to change everything. Suddenly all the bands were making ALBUMS instead of a single with a bunch of filler. That's what Paul was saying.

Has nothing to do with how incredible Ornette Coleman is as a musician or anything else.

:1orglaugh you gotta be kidding me. nothing against them, they were a pretty good one album wonder and the first concert I went to without parents, Boston and ELO - but groundbreaking they weren't.

Isn't that what Billboard is for? Who gives a shit about what direction the music industry is headed in? The major record labels are leeches and without true groundbreaking albums it wouldn't be able to set trends. Of course it's always a few years behind.

I remember waking up at the Isle of Wight Music Festival, I think it was 1970, to Sly and the Family Stone. Had never heard them before and was completely knocked out by them.





Danced my way down to the front. LOl

'groundbreaking' IS subjective - Paul's interpretation of groundbreaking is based on Sgt Pepper's being a concept album. Which is fair but groundbreaking to somebody else would be was it groundbreaking societally, did it change the culture and how broadly, a musicphile might define groundbreaking for recording techniques, or song structure, or instrumentation.

Sgt Pepper's is absolutely the most ground breaking album ever more for its' part in changing the culture than just being a concept album. Sgt Pepper's brought the drug and hippy culture to the masses, it exploded, and affected everything from fashion, art, music, free love, Vietnam . Would the 60's have gone down the same way without the Beatles and Sgt Pepper's - probably so. The Beatles were a product of things underway more than them leading the way, they became a conduit.

Because music/literature/art/architecture always reflect the culture. Since the beginning of time. And in modern times, the music industry has replaced the Church/Monarchy as the way that musicians made a living.

So if an artist changes the direction of the music industry and gets every band in the world excited about that direction (which the Beatles did), it is a big deal.

You're kinda jumping the shark and talking about an entirely different subject matter than what Paul made this thread about.

2006 - Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
Their single off the album "The Underdog"


2003 - The Shins - Oh, Inverted World
Their single off the album "New Slang"


2006 - The Arctic Monkeys - Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not
Their single off the album "I bet you look good on the dance floor"

(This album became the fastest selling record of all time in the UK when it was released in 06)

There was a ton of good music that came out in the 2000's. 2006 was just an incredible year for album releases. I wouldn't doubt nearly a quarter to a fifth of the music on my ipod is stuff that was off a 2006 album release. Lots of good stuff coming out of the UK as well during the last decade. There was literally a new UK invasion.

From what I know, none of this shit is played on the radio though. You have to have satellite to hear any of it. The music industry still mostly wants to peddle the shit that sells to teenagers and kids (the ones spending the most on music). So they sell as much of the rap and pop as they can, because kids eat it up like it's crack cocaine.

Lot's of good chick fronts coming out recently as well:

Ida Maria - "I like you so much better when you're naked"


Metric - "Dead Disco"


Regina Spektor - "Fidelity"


But yeah, most of the ground breaking albums are going to be through the 50s to the 70s. When there was ground to break. Each decade from there had it's own genre forks created that had their individual albums and bands which made it happen. You had punk, new wave, metal, electronica, grunge, alternative, indie. Each breakout had their own push from whoever happened to get the sound right and captured the youth of the time.

Definitely gotta say though 58-73 were the best years for music, hands down. To have been alive to been able to see the American Blues, Motown, and British Invasion - would have been witness to the truest and best music that will of ever graced our ears.

No, but I guarantee you that most the other bands listed in this thread have heard of these and would not exist if not for the aforementioned albums.

Glad it's not just me that read the list and thought ?who?

Sabbath Paranoid

How about some love for Chrissy Hynde and The Pretenders?