Right. Tipping and per-minute revenue models can co-exist. They provide flexibility/options for different kinds of users, and cam sites will profit either way.

mfc = myfreecams?

i will comment in the morning i just saw this and im out with friends.... interesting topic

Give me the bio link. I want a pvt.

Those that evolve and adapt survive. Those that don't become extinct.

I agree Paul.

My client's cam site has changed the rules. No registration. No credit card needed. Rather than use crappy laptop speakers and mic the customer uses his cell phone to interact with the model while watching her. Very intimate.

And the best bit? They pay using the phone too! 76% of customers CHOOSE to pay via their phone.

http://britishcambabes.com/

So any webcam affiliates that want to push their traffic to something new and different that makes money should get in touch asap.

streamate now has more pornstars than any other cam site.
145 pornstars and growing
http://www.pornstars.com

That's because of all the cam sites we tried with CM....includine MFC...she makes the most money on Streamate.

Streamate bills the card directly. No need to buy "tokens" or minutes or any of that bullshit. The customer goes to private and the card is being billed per minute. He doesn't run out of tokens or pre-paid minutes. It stays transparent the whole time.

And also since Streamate does their own billing processing...the girl can sell memberships to her website with a one click join right underneath the cam stream.

It is the best targeted traffic in the world when you think about it. So we make money off of CM doing cams and selling memberships simultaneously.

She does it in her spare time working 4 hours a day 4 days a week which makes us an extra $2,000 + a week. So it's an easy 8 grand a month for doing basically nothing AND promoting and selling memberships to claudia-marie.com at the same time.

And that is why so many porn stars are on Streamate. Because quite simply...they make the most money there.

Here is my referral code to throw me a bone for anybody who wants to sign up and promote it and see for yourself: STREAMATE

Robbie, is CM consistently making $125/hour and thats her cut ?

I wouldn't worry, people here seem to be making a bigger deal out of MFC than it is IMO. With a lot of cam sites you can still watch for free if you signup, with MFC you don't need to signup. So a lot people seem to think damn it's all free! Most girls don't do much in public chat, although they do sometimes. After just checking the site the top 10 girls aren't doing anything but talking.

I've seen a lot of numbers thrown around here about how the models are making a shitload from tips, I disagree. I've seen models putting on a show say "fuck you all" and log off because no one would tip her for hours. She was a hot chick too and wasn't near the bottom of the list, there were hundreds of people in the room too. I've seen other models in top ten get less than 5 bucks an hour constantly.

The site doesn't seem to have a shitload of traffic either. There's plenty of other cam sites with way more traffic, it's not like they're taking everyone's customers. I know it's early in the morning but the top model right now only has 300 people watching. More than half are guest, most of the rest are members who never even put money in their account.

Seems to me MFC is full of freeloaders who don't want to pay or probably couldn't pay if they wanted to.

The site is kind of crappy and buggy too. When it gets busy the video freezes constantly, the models are always having trouble with it. I remember seeing aaliyah love in there for a bit, she got pissed because it wouldn't even work more than a minute and left.

interesting stuff I just checked the word cams in my keyword research tool
and my free cams is on top of the list leaving the second most searched keyword way behind,
the model they have seem interesting very much based on survival of the fittest
I wonder if their top earners make more then top earners from a traditional cam site

Show me another pay per view cam site where you can register and watch them perform nude without having to pay anything? You may have hit it at a bad time, but usually there are at least 15 models showing at any given time. Some of them never show in free mode and there are others who never do privates and show all the time in free mode to get tips. I agree, after about the top 30 models, most of the rest aren't making much on tips. You've got a lot of models from South America and Philippines, who have a much lower amount of tips they need to make to be acceptable to them. The site can be buggy at times, but one thats nice is they have a system so that if flash isn't working for you it will default to java and work.

I still think Leo needs to make everyone register in order to view the cams, that would cut out some of the freeloaders, reduce bandwidth costs and make the token purchase a much quicker process. All of those people who are there as guests over and over are never going to make a token purchase and are just there to eat up the bandwidth.

whos domain is that?

I rather watch amateurs, everyday girls on cam over pornstars, pornstars are everywhere online but your average everyday girl isn't. Amateur/GF is whats in isn't it?

Yes that figure is her actual cut. Of course it averages out on the $125/hour thing. On a bad hour she might only make $80 and then an hour later might back $175. You never know who is online spending money at any given moment. :)

As a further incentive to the surfer to join claudia-marie.com from Streamate...they also get 25% off of private chat if they do join claudia-marie.com So it's a pretty sweet money making deal for the pornstar girls who have their own website as well.

As an affiliate of Money Tree seperate from Claudia-Marie's account...I also make pretty good money that way. So if I send a "whale" surfer to Streamate who is a fan of Claudia-Marie, and he goes in with my link code...I end up making my cut as an affiliate, Claudia-Marie's cut, and potentially the cut of the membership to the site.

It's pretty good money for very little work. Almost "found" money for a guy like me with all those pieces in place.

no one will ever admit that they are doing mad and income is down.

This is GFY and we are all rockstars driving porches and living on the beach in a mansion :)

Its important to understand why webcams are successful and to touch on user behavior. I just wrote an article about it for Xbiz and I will dig up the link you will see that wales DO care about interactions and personality and fapping to someone else's private isn't what its about.

I know people call MFC the tube site of cams but it hasn't made the WERE OVER were quitting now type mentality people think we are going throe.

Im a fan of streamate and we do lots of business together but we do something clearly different and for a years MFC was one our biggest affiliates. I think that says something.

We have create a niche within the market and made it our own at onhercam and this quoate sums it up best "Forums, blogs, twitter. You'll find it all at OnHerCam -- this is a real Web 2.0 live cam site, and one of the few that really seems to have got it together both technically and organizationally".

This isnt meant to come out so spammy but webcammers myself included are a different breed.

Robbie is spot on with his comments about Pornstars and streamate we have a different angle and way of looking at it. Were still new and sometimes I think after seeing the layout and navigation of MFC we are still to advanced for the average webcam user.

I understand the webcam end user as well as anyone having promoted cams solely for 12 years. The advantage of a system like MFC is it's flexibility, the whale you elude to can still take any mfc model private and spend as much as he wants on her and interact with her one on one. Then you have the guy who can't afford a long one on one private, but doesn't mind paying for a group mode private. Also you've got tons of surfers who have a limited budget, but still want to show their appreciation to the models and do so by tipping.

The system provide flexibility not only to the surfer, but also to the model as they choose how they want to market themselves and aren't bound by a bunch of rules. They are allowed to promote their own site urls and can choose to stay in free mode accepting tips without ever having to go private. Also, with the tips system, a model isn't bound by slow steady per minute billing, a surfer can give a model as much $ at one time as he pleases.

It will Paul, it will...:mad::Oh crap

Everything is going fucking free :mad:

I do not see how MFC is legal. You don't have to log in, so I could be 12 years old and watching girls getting naked. It is only a matter of time before they either have to stop showing nudity in the free area,you will have to log in or they will be shut down. All it takes is one pissed off parent to report them.

So how do you explain the thousands of tubes that have tons of free porn that any 12 yr old can access with just a few clicks? I would think you'd be all over MFC since almost all of the top camz girls have left and are there now or using it simultaneously with the camz shows.

You are incorrect. Most of the cam girls I know will not work on MFC. They have no interest being naked in a room of 300 people, where maybe 10 people are tipping. I have checked out that site, and a lot of people do not tip at all. Most of the top Camz girls went over to Streamate, not MFC. Streamate is the site that a lot of the cam girls rave about. MFC is no threat to Streamate, Camz, or any of the other big sites.

Why would I be all over that site? Just watching what those ladies will do for a $10 tip is sad. I am not sure why a lot of you think those ladies make bank. You make way more money doing a group show that charges per minute. This also isn't about tube sites. It is about a web cam site that does nothing to try and verify age. No web cam site should allow anyone access to nudity unless you have an account and log in.

You're spot on that for the ladies MFC is often a bad deal compared to other venues, but as time goes on, MFC and those like it, may be where most of the surfers seeking live interactive cams go much like tubes are today for those seeking pics and videos.

Globalization affects the adult business as much as it does mainstream business. $10 for an hour for a U.S. based performer isn't even worth the bother, but for performers in other countries, such as the Philippines, that's plenty enough to make it worthwhile.

Globalization is the race to the bottom to free ... yes, to free!

Recall about a year ago a major U.K. airline literally asked its employees to work for free, and many of them actually did! Crazy, but that's where globalization leads. Another example is Amazon's Turk - Slashdot did an article a few days ago regarding how some tasks amounted to an hourly rate of just pennies and yet plenty of people were still willing to do them.

Top-notch performers will have a following anywhere and command top-dollar, but run-of-the-mill ones will likely either need to adapt to working harder and lower income, like most surfers have, or diversify into some other things.

Ron

I see you weekly doing a show naked at Camz in a room full of 300, so how can you say you don't have any interest in it. All you'd have to do is broadcast that same show simultaneously at MFC without doing any interaction. I've seen many girls on Camz do that very same thing. My tube analogy stands, it doesn't matter if its live or video, its still adult content with no verification.

Anyone who thinks the MFC model is going to be the only site adopting the same or similar model needs to rethink. There will be imitators and there will be people who develop the the idea further.

Oh shit, that looks like a problem.

Good luck bros.

The weekly shows on Camz are not free and you have to log in to watch them. Plus there are more then 300 people in the shows on there. You either pay to watch them, you are a member of that ladies site, or you are a member of another person's site that has Amateurcamz in their members area. The benefit I get from doing the weekly shows, is I get to have all of the other ladies shows in my members area for free. It is also a great way to get members for your website.

It is not the same as doing MFC at all. You do not have to be naked in the Amatuercamz shows, you can do anything you want for that hour. On MFC people are always begging for nudity, age is not verified, a lot of people do not tip, etc. Not sure why you care that I have no interest performing on MFC. I do not want to work on a site that allows nudity in the free area.

Seems that these guys did just that. This is amazing! vsex.com
I've never seen anything like that before. Looks like someone just made something piracy proof.

thrillhammer has had machines that remote users can control

do you have a link? would love to check it out. great concept.

I could care less if you perform on mfc, I was merely trying to point out that its extremely close to what you are already doing and you could instantly double your site revenue. You don't have to get naked on mfc at all either, and you can mute basic members to cut down on the begging, its no more than I see in many of your shows on camz. You could have your site url on your cam at all times broadcasting to a completely fresh new audience. Don't you already split your cam on several networks simultaneously, this would be just one more. Recently a girl doing her weekly live show on camz broadcast it simultaneously on mfc. She didn't interact with mfc chat at all and didn't allow privates and she made $165 for her hour on mfc without actually ever chatting with anyone on there.

For somone who doesn't care, you seem to be pushing MFC a lot. I know how MFC works, I have seen the site. I do not do two sites at once. I do a one hour members show on Camz weekly, and I do all my other cam shows on Streamate. I just made a deal to only do shows with Streamate. Like I said I have talked to a lot of cam girls about MFC, most are not impressed with the site. Several have tried it and said they make more money in group shows on other sites. It looks like a good site for newer web cam models. Web cam models that have been around for years prefer sites like Camz and Streamate.

I have nothing against MFC, I just prefer sites that verify age and do not allow nudes in the free area.

Good luck with streamate, hopefully you can set up a deal like Robbie has for CM to upsell your solo site there. Wouldn't that deal with streamate preclude you from doing your weekly show at Camz? There's lots of old timers from camz working at mfc, at least a dozen of them, just saw Diamond James, Cindy Love, Naughty Sara and Lisa Sparx there today.

My website link is on my Streamate profile. On Streamate they refer to it as a club. They do let me promote my website. No they do not mind I am doing the hour long shows on Camz. Shawn knows I have been doing member shows on there for years. You can do member shows on Streamate, but I have to test it out first. All the ladies you mentioned also do shows on Streamate. Most web cam girls have two or three sites they work on.

I have seen Claudia-Marie on Streamate. She has a sweet set up. I want a room like that.

It is painful to watch these so called cam experts post their nonsense in this thread and on this forum. Cam experts that can barely even make enough to pay their rent. Cam experts that write retarded ad copy with typos, for sites that a handful of people visit, and don't even link to their active site all while claiming to be marketing professionals.

The cam sites must be having a blast. Because just about every tube site is exclusively promoting a cam site.

Sounds like you need a streamate setup like CM where users can join your site with one click using the cc they've already registered with at streamate.

FCI, which is Flying Croc who runs Mtree and Streamate. Wonder if Slavv sold that domain to them and that's why he mentioned it.

They have it set up the same way for all of us. We all have a link that says join our club. When you click that link it lists what our site offers and then some small sample pics. People who join the site are charged through Streamate with their credit card they have on file. It is pretty simple.

Exactly. It's a very cool set up.

There are a handful of guys in this business that I will allow my massive ego to admit that they are as smart as I think of myself as being :1orglaugh .
And Shawn has always been one of those guys from the first days of Flying Crocodile. A super nice guy, great at making a fortune over the last 15 years, and super, super intelligent.

You are a smart man Robbie and super cool. I love Shawn. I like that he is very hands on with everything. If I have an issue I can call him and he will have it fixed asap. Liz is really great as well.

In my mind I'm the smartest guy in the world! I'm sure everybody here has an issue what that self-assessment of mine though! :1orglaugh

But in all seriousness, Streamate is set up perfectly for girls like you with your own website to make really good money.

:winkwink:


Did you make Claudia-Marie's room? She has a badass set up. :winkwink:

Actually, that's one fourth of the aluminum truss 20 x 20 "room" we had built for our old content company Pure Candy Images that was used at the 2001 Vegas show at the Sands Expo Center.

Then in 2005 I chopped it down a bit and began using all that truss for my light show with my band. I still have stage lighting rigged onto half of it now. But the pieces you see on her webcam show are ones I was using on the sides of our band stage set up.

So I took them and constructed a new "room" for her webcam shows. Works out great and looks really cool. The whole "room" is actually set up in the middle of my office...which is a casita in the back yard of my property right by the swimming pool.

So everyday I walk out the back door of my house, go past the pool and enter the building where my office is. It's a sweet setup. I'm over on one half with my desks and computers. And she is on the other side of the room with her webcam setup.

There is a complete kitchen and bathroom with shower too. And if we get bored...we can just open the door, take 10 steps and jump in the pool or hot tub. And when I'm done for the day I just walk back up the sidewalk to the house. It's perfect. :)

Storm in a teacup!

Live performers are not free, it's just a different revenue model that made 1 site popular

It's not really a different revenue model. They make their money from private shows, group shows and tips.

Here are the differences:

1. They pay a very large percentage to models (counting bulk token discounts over 60%).
2. They have none of the normal cam site rules. They allow nudity in free chat and models are not only allowed to, but encourage to exchange contact information with members (email, phone, etc). They also have no rules at all in private chat. Models can do anything they want with members in private chat.
3. Immediate payouts. If the pay period is the 1st - 15th they get paid on the 16th. 16th - 30th/31st they get paid the 1st. Like clockwork.
4. They have tons of their own traffic and did not need affiliates to start.

What everyone says is revolutionary about the site evolved naturally because of the above.

Exactly....

start your own MFC, my advice

You gotta redo the ultra confusing webmasters area of DTI CASH! Finding sponsor URLs, and join codes is hella hard, not to mention finding creative, ads, etc etc...