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Deej · 07-21-2010, 03:00 PM

I understand your dilema Carlos. But you are biased to it and IM standing on the outside.

Never has Dwreck shown character like this... unless im oblivious to it. I implore people to speak out if so.

Since you arent the fullest aware oif your actions Im going with Quagmire's recount. He said Dwreck tried to give it back not once but multiple times on the spot.

If someone 'pushed' a 500 chip at me repeatedly you bet id take it.

this may not be the case, but its what I see sop far.

I do understand if I wqas owed money and I hear about the ower buying shit and sporting it... it would tick me off. But Id be more ticked at myself for making a thread like this If im the one that initiated it by "making a joke" during a drunken night of gambling.

Im not saying it like this because i know Dwreck and not you... IM no Bro

It is my unbiased opinion.... of which you do not have. YOure talking Facts when you arent even giving them all out.

Also I never said any of this was funny.

selena · 07-21-2010, 03:07 PM

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I'm in so long as there are s'mores.

fuzebox · 07-21-2010, 03:08 PM

I don't remember Dwreck ever saying he was a pimp or a baller, or has lots of money

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

I understand your dilema Carlos. But you are biased to it and IM standing on the outside.

Never has Dwreck shown character like this... unless im oblivious to it. I implore people to speak out if so.

Since you arent the fullest aware oif your actions Im going with Quagmire's recount. He said Dwreck tried to give it back not once but multiple times on the spot.

If someone 'pushed' a 500 chip at me repeatedly you bet id take it.

This didn't happen, or if it happened we knew each other for two years prior, he could also realize I'm drunk

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Originally Posted by Deej

this may not be the case, but its what I see sop far.

It's not the case, how do you imply this happened?

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Originally Posted by Deej

I do understand if I wqas owed money and I hear about the ower buying shit and sporting it... it would tick me off. But Id be more ticked at myself for making a thread like this If im the one that initiated it by "making a joke" during a drunken night of gambling.

If someone's dumb enough not to understand that $ 500 is never a joke I have no sympathy for him

If someone's dumb enough to think he can fuck with me for 28 months without returning me the money, I have no sympathy for him

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Originally Posted by Deej

Im not saying it like this because i know Dwreck and not you... IM no Bro

It is my unbiased opinion.... of which you do not have. YOure talking Facts when you arent even giving them all out.

Fact no.1 - promised to pay back the day after this happened

Fact no.2 - fucked with me 8 months with bullshit excuses, till I got to meet him personally in Florida to get all the cash he had on himself which was $ 350

Fact. no.3 - fucked with me for another 20 months resulting in a "payment plan" for $ 150 which was the last straw

Fact. no. 4 - didn't pay even crappy $ 50

The low amount of money in this case is what makes me bring it to the boards.

Seriously

Fact no. 5 - he sent me $ 150 half an hour ago, which obviously means he could have used paypal and pay anytime during the past 28 months

If $ 150 is too much for him all I ask is not to spit in my face with bullshit "payment plans" and excuses, if he would say I need the money man I'm gonna give it to him and laugh at him anytime I'd see him

And if it lasts for two and a half year, I have no sympathy nor regret I did this

Seriously

BigDeanEvans · 07-21-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

If someone 'pushed' a 500 chip at me repeatedly you bet id take it.

From a complete stranger? Sure.

From a colleague, who was so drunk you couldn't even make out what he was saying? No.

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

I don't remember Dwreck ever saying he was a pimp or a baller, or has lots of money

I remember him saying he needs a "payment plan" for $ 150 that I received half an hour ago after just 20 months, I'm so disgusted with this already

Off for today.

Quagmire · 07-21-2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

No beef, you brought in something I didn't remember

I give you credit for that

But it doesn't change the fact that someone fucked with me for 28 months and the last straw was the "payment plan" for $ 150

Those money are not enough for an apology, I won't even spend them, I'm gonna donate them.

As I said, I am not questioning whether the money should have been returned, and since I don't dislike either of you and don't have a horse in this race, I don't want to even get involved in that side of the conversation. My chief concern was that people were getting the impression that Dwreck was some sort of lowlife pickpocket who walked off with your money.

Given the circumstances and mindset of both of you (totally fucking wrecked) at the time of the incident, I would tell both of you to chalk it up to 'stupid shit that happened when I was drunk' and move on. If it would make you feel better and you'd like to blame me for not slapping you both in the head for being stupid, feel free. I apologize for not intervening when something stupid was going down between two drunks.

edit - I would have paid off his debt to you in a heartbeat had I known it still existed. Not that it is really anyone's business, but Dwreck is not the best with his finances, but he will always make good on what he owes. That I know for a fact.

CarlosTheGaucho · 07-21-2010, 03:26 PM

One last thing - if I were overseas I'd go and solve this personally same way how I did it in Florida two years ago, you'd never heard about this and he would be happily pushing his cams.

But if he has the balls to fuck with me online over and over and over, and a "payment plan" and total bullshit..

Sorry I have zero tolerance for this, I was patient enough with him

Would you wait for two and a half years? I did

Juicy D. Links · 07-21-2010, 03:28 PM

I Was wondering what true beauty was...until I realized it was myself

Quagmire · 07-21-2010, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans

From a complete stranger? Sure.

From a colleague, who was so drunk you couldn't even make out what he was saying? No.

Dude. this is how drunk both of them were. I can't be any more clear than this.

Quagmire · 07-21-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

I Was wondering what true beauty was...until I realized it was myself

i'd let you fuck my dumper with no condom

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-21-2010, 03:39 PM

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Varius · 07-21-2010, 03:42 PM

There is basically two possible scenarios here:

1) Derek swiped a chip from sorta-drunk Carlos' hand.

2) Drunk Carlos was in a good mood, drinking, partying, winning - he gave the chip to Derek

If it's #1, Derek could himself have been very drunk and while that's no excuse, it's an explanation. It happens. If he then spent the money, or really did forget about it and left for his flight home then when he spoke to Carlos, he should have just apologized, saying he was drunk and he'll send him back his money.

If it's #2, firstly, he shouldn't have accepted it. If he did and spent it, when Carlos contacted him, he should have told Carlos that he was drunk and gave it to him. If that was the story, Carlos should just have accepted it at that - or, Derek could have offered him back half the money so they each take the loss.

The fact Derek gave him $350 at a later date would almost instantly signal guilt; but knowing Derek, he seems the type to always want to avoid confrontation, so it's not too far-fetched to believe he may have paid him that hoping to just put the issue behind them.

Thats sums things up, but in the end it doesn't matter which case it is, what's with promising payments on certain dates and not delivering ? If you can't afford it, just tell him so; if you think you don't owe him it, you also should have said so.

Juicy D. Links · 07-21-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Quagmire

i'd let you fuck my dumper with no condom

I am on the next flight to TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--For The Record I havent read this thread yet so if someone has a nice cliff notes post it

Jerry's Intensity · 07-21-2010, 03:51 PM

The Porn Nerd · 07-21-2010, 03:52 PM

All this over $150? Man, times must be rough indeed.

Quagmire · 07-21-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Varius

There is basically two possible scenarios here:

1) Derek swiped a chip from sorta-drunk Carlos' hand.

2) Drunk Carlos was in a good mood, drinking, partying, winning - he gave the chip to Derek

If it's #1, Derek could himself have been very drunk and while that's no excuse, it's an explanation. It happens. If he then spent the money, or really did forget about it and left for his flight home then when he spoke to Carlos, he should have just apologized, saying he was drunk and he'll send him back his money.

If it's #2, firstly, he shouldn't have accepted it. If he did and spent it, when Carlos contacted him, he should have told Carlos that he was drunk and gave it to him. If that was the story, Carlos should just have accepted it at that - or, Derek could have offered him back half the money so they each take the loss.

The fact Derek gave him $350 at a later date would almost instantly signal guilt; but knowing Derek, he seems the type to always want to avoid confrontation, so it's not too far-fetched to believe he may have paid him that hoping to just put the issue behind them.

Thats sums things up, but in the end it doesn't matter which case it is, what's with promising payments on certain dates and not delivering ? If you can't afford it, just tell him so; if you think you don't owe him it, you also should have said so.

See bold - truer words were never spoken.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-21-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links

--For The Record I havent read this thread yet so if someone has a nice cliff notes post it

WARNING - Ending Spoiler below:

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Varius · 07-21-2010, 04:04 PM

ADG - Those are the best cliff notes I have ever seen

BruceM · 07-21-2010, 04:27 PM

Lol yes good cliff notes

TurboAngel · 07-21-2010, 04:30 PM

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LMFAO! I'm soooooooo glad you're back!

natas · 07-21-2010, 04:56 PM

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you are now my new hero

Klen · 07-21-2010, 05:11 PM

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I guess I.O.U. means i owe you,the irony is my neighbor gived me such paper and he still owe me around 150$,but he is not gfy member so i cant expose him here hehe.

La_Sexorcist · 07-21-2010, 05:16 PM

So someone stole money directly from your hand, and you aren't outting him? F that.

Monique Niccole · 07-21-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

I'm reallllly drunk, anyone want $500? I'm just kidding. Maybe. Kinda. Not really. But perhaps just a little.

This.

Ethersync · 07-21-2010, 05:52 PM

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Abbie · 07-21-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

I just sent him this thread via ICQ, maybe I can talk to his employer first

Okay, I'm his employer...whatcha need?

I don't think any less of Derek because of this thread. Honestly, I think it's a matter you and he should work out and has nothing to do with me or my company. What you did while you were drunk and doing whatever isn't my business. What derek did isn't my business either. You're both grown ups.

He's still a good egg in my book.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 07:27 PM

Again... youre being biased... He paid you back now and immediately because you are tarnishing his reputation. THat of which in the beginning is your blame as well as his. He paid you, most likely putting himself in somewhat of a bind just because its the right thing to do. Sure maybe he was pushed into and do it on his own. But He also isnt going on and on and rehashing the same thing.

giving 350 at a later date may have flag guilt. But it also in your words sound like you shook him down and took what he had. again, he gave you what he had because he didnt what was right at the time. probably put him in a bind then too.

So even though youre preaching character as principle, youre not taking his into consdieration even though you yourself say its unlike him. Everyone saying and knowing its unlike him is a huge flag that perhaps he he feels differently about the situation. Regardless of his feelings or thought son it htough he paid you when you raise a stink.

I do think its a tad lame it took so long. But then again, you pushed a chip on him in a moment of drunken ballerness. Which has gone on a ton in this industry.

PIcture it from another view. not your own. THis may or not be true, but lets call it hypothetical. Say you pushed it on him... as said byt a witness. joke or not. Chip got donated in midst of a joke, whether it be known by all or not. The next day the chip receiver gets a call with demands of giving it back. Right then after getting it after trying to give it back ID think wow... What a wierd predicament. but as weird is it is Ill go with the logical thought of, "hey I didnt do anything for this" so Ill agree to pay it back. WIthout haste of course since this isnt my fault.

months go by and I meet the same guy at a show. He "turns my pockets out" taking what money I have. NOw being at a show and having my money taken. Im left struggling a little to achieve a convenient trip I planned for. BUt i gave it since Its what is right.

Now same ything happens... My peers see me getting tarnished for someone drunken "joke"

How the fuck would you feel. Most people here would have told you to fuck off.

Not pay you right away.

So put the bottle down and look at it from another view.

Im disappointed a little with my friend ... but this was nowhere near public worthy...

I do understand the principle though Carlos and thats where my beef with my friend is. THats just not what im voicing right now. I just feel your actions and method was harsh, being that you spout the charcter part being most important when you left out specific details i would assume in hope to gain views to your side. Which speaks of character itself.

The Porn Nerd · 07-21-2010, 07:37 PM

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Fucking classic!

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

Again... youre being biased... He paid you back now and immediately because you are tarnishing his reputation. THat of which in the beginning is your blame as well as his. He paid you, most likely putting himself in somewhat of a bind just because its the right thing to do. Sure maybe he was pushed into and do it on his own. But He also isnt going on and on and rehashing the same thing.

giving 350 at a later date may have flag guilt. But it also in your words sound like you shook him down and took what he had. again, he gave you what he had because he didnt what was right at the time. probably put him in a bind then too.

So even though youre preaching character as principle, youre not taking his into consdieration even though you yourself say its unlike him. Everyone saying and knowing its unlike him is a huge flag that perhaps he he feels differently about the situation. Regardless of his feelings or thought son it htough he paid you when you raise a stink.

I do think its a tad lame it took so long. But then again, you pushed a chip on him in a moment of drunken ballerness. Which has gone on a ton in this industry.

PIcture it from another view. not your own. THis may or not be true, but lets call it hypothetical. Say you pushed it on him... as said byt a witness. joke or not. Chip got donated in midst of a joke, whether it be known by all or not. The next day the chip receiver gets a call with demands of giving it back. Right then after getting it after trying to give it back ID think wow... What a wierd predicament. but as weird is it is Ill go with the logical thought of, "hey I didnt do anything for this" so Ill agree to pay it back. WIthout haste of course since this isnt my fault.

months go by and I meet the same guy at a show. He "turns my pockets out" taking what money I have. NOw being at a show and having my money taken. Im left struggling a little to achieve a convenient trip I planned for. BUt i gave it since Its what is right.

Now same ything happens... My peers see me getting tarnished for someone drunken "joke"

How the fuck would you feel. Most people here would have told you to fuck off.

Not pay you right away.

So put the bottle down and look at it from another view.

Im disappointed a little with my friend ... but this was nowhere near public worthy...

I do understand the principle though Carlos and thats where my beef with my friend is. THats just not what im voicing right now. I just feel your actions and method was harsh, being that you spout the charcter part being most important when you left out specific details i would assume in hope to gain views to your side. Which speaks of character itself.

I'm not sure why you needed to ramble so much, but you're the one who appears most biased in this thread. Bottom line, Derek agreed to start paying back the remaining difference on the 16th of this month, he failed to do so. Instead on the 15th he makes a thread about just purchasing a new MacBook Pro, if you were owed money by him wouldn't you be pissed? However the chip incident went down is not relevant at this point, if Derek didn't think he still owed Carlos he wouldn't have agreed to the payment plan

Some people love to bitch about people who bring personal unpaid debts to gfy. However, its been amazing over the years how making a thread on gfy sure calls people to action that otherwise beforehand didn't give a shit. Sometimes dirty laundry has to be aired and people need the mob to keep them accountable.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

I'm not sure why you needed to ramble so much, but you're the one who appears most biased in this thread. Bottom line, Derek agreed to start paying back the remaining difference on the 16th of this month, he failed to do so. Instead on the 15th he makes a thread about just purchasing a new MacBook Pro, if you were owed money by him wouldn't you be pissed? However the chip incident went down is not relevant at this point, if Derek didn't think he still owed Carlos he wouldn't have agreed to the payment plan

Some people love to bitch about people who bring personal unpaid debts to gfy. However, its been amazing over the years how making a thread on gfy sure calls people to action that otherwise beforehand didn't give a shit. Sometimes dirty laundry has to be aired and people need the mob to keep them accountable.

how am I being biased? Dwreck is my friend and that may be why it may appear that I am on his side, BUt I am not. I have said that and you never see ones friends coming in and getting on their shit here on GFY, but you DO see me do that.

But i think its chicken shit that specific details that shed a different light oin the subject were withheld... most likely, like I said, to achieve more of a mob on Carlos' side.

Someones character is being called out for the principle of it aswell all the while that big point isnt really the point at all..

Yes id be ticked if SOmeone that owed me was buying toys, I in fact have that issue. For far more money. But I sure as shit dont spew it out in a story in my favor. If I did spew a story it would have all facts and not just the ones that I feel I want to expose.

The method that brought this out just seems chicken shit to me, whether it involves my buddy or not.

I have no sympathy for drunken mistakes.

I do think it was chicken shit on Dwrecks part to post the conversation he did... not because oit was private but because of the details. I can see he felt it his only lashback. But he didnt go on and on. He did what he did.

You should know I ramble when I have a point...

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 07-21-2010, 08:18 PM

Time for a musical interlude...

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Deej · 07-21-2010, 08:26 PM

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Time for a musical interlude...

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Hey fuck you

I may ramble, but you all know what Im saying. The one single fact alone that this isnt what anyone would think of Dwreck at all is a good sing that this is a big misunderstanding and turn of events and im sure most here ( I would hope) think its lame that only favorable details were exposed.

Bent out of shape, sure, I would be too. But both parties would have handled each instance differently had it been other people. Some would have kept this private as well as some would have told carlos or whoever in place to fuck off.

You have to admit. This incident is not expected from any parties involved.

I have never before this thought (nor really do I now other than the tactics of this thread) any ill will of Carlos and his reputation. So its all fuckin weird if you ask me.

selena · 07-21-2010, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Time for a musical interlude...

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I was wondering about you just last week. So glad to see you back posting! Your cliff notes were fucking classic.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 08:29 PM

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I was wondering about you just last week. So glad to see you back posting! Your cliff notes were fucking classic.

I too noticed the lapse and anticipated the return of the one pic points.

Abbie · 07-21-2010, 08:30 PM

There's a program OWNER on gfy who promos here and tries to act like a big shot, but he owes me over $10k from 2008 .... you don't see me having drama over it. Sometimes you just got smile, move on, and get under their skin by being the better person (and crushing them as competition) hehe.

I'm sure everyone has good intentions here, no matter how biased or unbiased they are. I don't know Carlos, nor do I know what happened that night. I'm sure it could have been worked out without a 4page thread though

Deej · 07-21-2010, 08:40 PM

Just to ramble on some more... sitting here thinking about the actual "joke" part...

"here have this chip" "no really"

What the fuck kind of Comedy do you watch? Is that really a joke? I honestly think you did GIVE him the chip... and then thought the next morning, how dumb was that for nothing. Im going say it was a joke. Drunk or not... thats just dumb.

Then to go off and possibly even make libelous claims... YOu first said he took or even "snatched" the chip from your palm and ran off into the bells and lights. That would and did sound like at first that he straight up stole from you.

Then when someone comes forward saying it was nothing liek that and you even pushed it on him... as a joke... you say ok maybe it did go down like that as I was drinking all night.

Come on now... Seriously?

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

how am I being biased? Dwreck is my friend and that may be why it may appear that I am on his side, BUt I am not. I have said that and you never see ones friends coming in and getting on their shit here on GFY, but you DO see me do that.

But i think its chicken shit that specific details that shed a different light oin the subject were withheld... most likely, like I said, to achieve more of a mob on Carlos' side.

Someones character is being called out for the principle of it aswell all the while that big point isnt really the point at all..

Yes id be ticked if SOmeone that owed me was buying toys, I in fact have that issue. For far more money. But I sure as shit dont spew it out in a story in my favor. If I did spew a story it would have all facts and not just the ones that I feel I want to expose.

The method that brought this out just seems chicken shit to me, whether it involves my buddy or not.

I have no sympathy for drunken mistakes.

I do think it was chicken shit on Dwrecks part to post the conversation he did... not because oit was private but because of the details. I can see he felt it his only lashback. But he didnt go on and on. He did what he did.

You should know I ramble when I have a point...

"how am I being biased? Dwreck is my friend"

You asked and answered all in one phrase. You can't possibly make an objective post on the issue if dwreck is a close friend.

I don't really see what your point is, you seem to be all over the place. I know you don't like the details that were posted on gfy, but again, all dwreck had to do was make the payment on the 16th that he agreed to make and none of this would have been put on gfy. If a person promises to make a small payment on a certain date and fails to do so and then posts about his new big purchase then of course people are going to justifiably question that person's character. I seem to recall you not having a problem making multiple posts about the money jtf owed you and the details surrounding it.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 08:44 PM

On another rambling side not that has nothing to do with whats really going on...

What in the hell are you playing that you only have 4 chips that of which are 2 500 chips and 2 100 chips. I mean i know you can play stakes that high n all,,, but with 4 chips?

That part made me a little curious.

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Abbie

There's a program OWNER on gfy who promos here and tries to act like a big shot, but he owes me over $10k from 2008 .... you don't see me having drama over it. Sometimes you just got smile, move on, and get under their skin by being the better person (and crushing them as competition) hehe.

I'm sure everyone has good intentions here, no matter how biased or unbiased they are. I don't know Carlos, nor do I know what happened that night. I'm sure it could have been worked out without a 4page thread though

You'd be better off starting a thread about it and let the gfy collection agency do the dirty work. If he's strung you along for two years then he obviously has no intention of paying you, so you've got nothing to lose at this point by making it public.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

"how am I being biased? Dwreck is my friend"

You asked and answered all in one phrase. You can't possibly make an objective post on the issue if dwreck is a close friend.

I don't really see what your point is, you seem to be all over the place. I know you don't like the details that were posted on gfy, but again, all dwreck had to do was make the payment on the 16th that he agreed to make and none of this would have been put on gfy. If a person promises to make a small payment on a certain date and fails to do so and then posts about his new big purchase then of course people are going to justifiably question that person's character. I seem to recall you not having a problem making multiple posts about the money jtf owed you and the details surrounding it.

of course people can make unbiased judgements even if their friend is involved... Like i did. I even threw in some shit I feel dwreck did wrong... how is that NOT unbiased?

And yes I did bring out the JTF BS... bring the thread back. I stated the whole incident fact for fact step by step even if that specific part wasnt on my side. Only part i left out was personal shit in our conversations just like Dwreck posted that shouldnt have been. So tell me where thats even the same?

I laid it all out because it WAS about the principle... 40 bucks he borrowed and never paid back when he said. Still never got it, guess what, he told me to fuck off instead of paying it back right away. My point was what I said it was about not just about trying to get my money back and try to tranish ones rep that didnt deserve it. JTF most certainly did that himself.

I dont know if I can say Dwreck owed the money again and if it will make you see that I agree with that point... but keep trying to think I didnt say that.

So again, I dont see where this at all similar other than the fact of money being owed.

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

On another rambling side not that has nothing to do with whats really going on...

What in the hell are you playing that you only have 4 chips that of which are 2 500 chips and 2 100 chips. I mean i know you can play stakes that high n all,,, but with 4 chips?

That part made me a little curious.

When you leave a blackjack table they will want you to color up, which means consolidate all your chips into the biggest denominations, thus the reason he had the high value chips.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

When you leave a blackjack table they will want you to color up, which means consolidate all your chips into the biggest denominations, thus the reason he had the high value chips.

I thought he wasnt leaving... I thought he was "stuck" there playing...

Thats what im wondering...

YOure rolling out 100 and 500 dollar BJ bets?

That could very easily be gone in 2-4 hands.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 08:57 PM

Im pretty sure we can chalk this up to being another good reason to have a breathalyzer for GFY posting.

Boiling points usually hit with a couple drinks.

Sly · 07-21-2010, 08:57 PM

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Internext Vegas 2008 - I'm gambling and playing Black Jack single deck, once I hit my profit goal I'm cashing out what is a total of $ 1200 in chips, two $ 500 chips and two $ 100 chips

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Deej · 07-21-2010, 09:05 PM

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ok he did cash out right then?

Or was this not even at a table... later on in the night?

I was under the impression that this happned at the BJ table thats why Carlos couldnt go get his chip back.

If so I can understand the 4 chip thing.

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

of course people can make unbiased judgements even if their friend is involved... Like i did. I even threw in some shit I feel dwreck did wrong... how is that NOT unbiased?

And yes I did bring out the JTF BS... bring the thread back. I stated the whole incident fact for fact step by step even if that specific part wasnt on my side. Only part i left out was personal shit in our conversations just like Dwreck posted that shouldnt have been. So tell me where thats even the same?

I laid it all out because it WAS about the principle... 40 bucks he borrowed and never paid back when he said. Still never got it, guess what, he told me to fuck off instead of paying it back right away. My point was what I said it was about not just about trying to get my money back and try to tranish ones rep that didnt deserve it. JTF most certainly did that himself.

I dont know if I can say Dwreck owed the money again and if it will make you see that I agree with that point... but keep trying to think I didnt say that.

So again, I dont see where this at all similar other than the fact of money being owed.

"I dont know if I can say Dwreck owed the money again and if it will make you see that I agree with that point... but keep trying to think I didnt say that. "

I have no idea what you mean here.

"of course people can make unbiased judgements even if their friend is involved... Like i did."

You can't and you didn't, its impossible for you to be 100% objective in the matter when dwreck is a close friend. There's nothing wrong with being biased and backing up a friend, but don't accuse others of being biased when you clearly have been.

You keep wanting to bring up the chip incident and all of the other details, but they are pointless after dwreck agreed to pay back Carlos the remaining $150 he admitted he owed him. He missed his payment date and the details became public, nothing really left to say. I only mentioned the jtf incident because Carlos also didn't care about the amount as much as the principal of the matter.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 09:07 PM

This was 2008 internext... I was there... I wonder if we did actually meet, Carlos.

lazycash · 07-21-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Deej

ok he did cash out right then?

Or was this not even at a table... later on in the night?

I was under the impression that this happned at the BJ table thats why Carlos couldnt go get his chip back.

If so I can understand the 4 chip thing.

I'm guessing Carlos was on his way to the cashier when he ran into Dwreck, he had finished playing bj and left the table.

Deej · 07-21-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

"I dont know if I can say Dwreck owed the money again and if it will make you see that I agree with that point... but keep trying to think I didnt say that. "

I have no idea what you mean here.

"of course people can make unbiased judgements even if their friend is involved... Like i did."

You can't and you didn't, its impossible for you to be 100% objective in the matter when dwreck is a close friend. There's nothing wrong with being biased and backing up a friend, but don't accuse others of being biased when you clearly have been.

You keep wanting to bring up the chip incident and all of the other details, but they are pointless after dwreck agreed to pay back Carlos the remaining $150 he admitted he owed him. He missed his payment date and the details became public, nothing really left to say. I only mentioned the jtf incident because Carlos also didn't care about the amount as much as the principal of the matter.

you are wrong as you CAN be objective. I also feel youre wrong on the principle part. I feel Carlos made this thread like he did to tarnish Dwreck's name into giving the money back right away and thats the only reason I have said anything in this thread... its not just about the principle for Carlos... It IS about getting his money. If it was principle it wouldnt have gone down like this.

THats all my point is... im not arguing the actual principle.

Surely you can see that.

07-21-2010, 03:00 PM	#151
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	I understand your dilema Carlos. But you are biased to it and IM standing on the outside. Never has Dwreck shown character like this... unless im oblivious to it. I implore people to speak out if so. Since you arent the fullest aware oif your actions Im going with Quagmire's recount. He said Dwreck tried to give it back not once but multiple times on the spot. If someone 'pushed' a 500 chip at me repeatedly you bet id take it. this may not be the case, but its what I see sop far. I do understand if I wqas owed money and I hear about the ower buying shit and sporting it... it would tick me off. But Id be more ticked at myself for making a thread like this If im the one that initiated it by "making a joke" during a drunken night of gambling. Im not saying it like this because i know Dwreck and not you... IM no Bro It is my unbiased opinion.... of which you do not have. YOure talking Facts when you arent even giving them all out. Also I never said any of this was funny. __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

07-21-2010, 03:26 PM	#158
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07-21-2010, 03:39 PM	#162
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07-21-2010, 03:42 PM	#163
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	There is basically two possible scenarios here: 1) Derek swiped a chip from sorta-drunk Carlos' hand. 2) Drunk Carlos was in a good mood, drinking, partying, winning - he gave the chip to Derek If it's #1, Derek could himself have been very drunk and while that's no excuse, it's an explanation. It happens. If he then spent the money, or really did forget about it and left for his flight home then when he spoke to Carlos, he should have just apologized, saying he was drunk and he'll send him back his money. If it's #2, firstly, he shouldn't have accepted it. If he did and spent it, when Carlos contacted him, he should have told Carlos that he was drunk and gave it to him. If that was the story, Carlos should just have accepted it at that - or, Derek could have offered him back half the money so they each take the loss. The fact Derek gave him $350 at a later date would almost instantly signal guilt; but knowing Derek, he seems the type to always want to avoid confrontation, so it's not too far-fetched to believe he may have paid him that hoping to just put the issue behind them. Thats sums things up, but in the end it doesn't matter which case it is, what's with promising payments on certain dates and not delivering ? If you can't afford it, just tell him so; if you think you don't owe him it, you also should have said so. __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

07-21-2010, 03:52 PM	#166
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07-21-2010, 03:08 PM	#153
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 21,729	I don't remember Dwreck ever saying he was a pimp or a baller, or has lots of money

07-21-2010, 03:28 PM	#159
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07-21-2010, 03:51 PM	#165
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07-21-2010, 04:04 PM	#169
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07-21-2010, 04:27 PM	#170
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07-21-2010, 05:16 PM	#174
La_Sexorcist Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 337	So someone stole money directly from your hand, and you aren't outting him? F that.

07-21-2010, 07:27 PM	#178
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Again... youre being biased... He paid you back now and immediately because you are tarnishing his reputation. THat of which in the beginning is your blame as well as his. He paid you, most likely putting himself in somewhat of a bind just because its the right thing to do. Sure maybe he was pushed into and do it on his own. But He also isnt going on and on and rehashing the same thing. giving 350 at a later date may have flag guilt. But it also in your words sound like you shook him down and took what he had. again, he gave you what he had because he didnt what was right at the time. probably put him in a bind then too. So even though youre preaching character as principle, youre not taking his into consdieration even though you yourself say its unlike him. Everyone saying and knowing its unlike him is a huge flag that perhaps he he feels differently about the situation. Regardless of his feelings or thought son it htough he paid you when you raise a stink. I do think its a tad lame it took so long. But then again, you pushed a chip on him in a moment of drunken ballerness. Which has gone on a ton in this industry. PIcture it from another view. not your own. THis may or not be true, but lets call it hypothetical. Say you pushed it on him... as said byt a witness. joke or not. Chip got donated in midst of a joke, whether it be known by all or not. The next day the chip receiver gets a call with demands of giving it back. Right then after getting it after trying to give it back ID think wow... What a wierd predicament. but as weird is it is Ill go with the logical thought of, "hey I didnt do anything for this" so Ill agree to pay it back. WIthout haste of course since this isnt my fault. months go by and I meet the same guy at a show. He "turns my pockets out" taking what money I have. NOw being at a show and having my money taken. Im left struggling a little to achieve a convenient trip I planned for. BUt i gave it since Its what is right. Now same ything happens... My peers see me getting tarnished for someone drunken "joke" How the fuck would you feel. Most people here would have told you to fuck off. Not pay you right away. So put the bottle down and look at it from another view. Im disappointed a little with my friend ... but this was nowhere near public worthy... I do understand the principle though Carlos and thats where my beef with my friend is. THats just not what im voicing right now. I just feel your actions and method was harsh, being that you spout the charcter part being most important when you left out specific details i would assume in hope to gain views to your side. Which speaks of character itself. __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

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07-21-2010, 08:30 PM	#186
Abbie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,004	There's a program OWNER on gfy who promos here and tries to act like a big shot, but he owes me over $10k from 2008 .... you don't see me having drama over it. Sometimes you just got smile, move on, and get under their skin by being the better person (and crushing them as competition) hehe. I'm sure everyone has good intentions here, no matter how biased or unbiased they are. I don't know Carlos, nor do I know what happened that night. I'm sure it could have been worked out without a 4page thread though

07-21-2010, 08:40 PM	#187
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Just to ramble on some more... sitting here thinking about the actual "joke" part... "here have this chip" "no really" What the fuck kind of Comedy do you watch? Is that really a joke? I honestly think you did GIVE him the chip... and then thought the next morning, how dumb was that for nothing. Im going say it was a joke. Drunk or not... thats just dumb. Then to go off and possibly even make libelous claims... YOu first said he took or even "snatched" the chip from your palm and ran off into the bells and lights. That would and did sound like at first that he straight up stole from you. Then when someone comes forward saying it was nothing liek that and you even pushed it on him... as a joke... you say ok maybe it did go down like that as I was drinking all night. Come on now... Seriously? __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880 Last edited by Deej; 07-21-2010 at 08:41 PM..

07-21-2010, 08:44 PM	#189
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	On another rambling side not that has nothing to do with whats really going on... What in the hell are you playing that you only have 4 chips that of which are 2 500 chips and 2 100 chips. I mean i know you can play stakes that high n all,,, but with 4 chips? That part made me a little curious. __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

07-21-2010, 08:57 PM	#194
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Im pretty sure we can chalk this up to being another good reason to have a breathalyzer for GFY posting. Boiling points usually hit with a couple drinks. __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

07-21-2010, 09:07 PM	#198
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	This was 2008 internext... I was there... I wonder if we did actually meet, Carlos. __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880