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seeandsee 07-21-2010 04:00 AM
Just offer 4 FHGs in wm area plus randomize them true wm accounts and you will get coverage for all gals, and problem solved AlphaSky :)

DamianJ 07-21-2010 04:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 17351191)
I don't understand this at all.


Why all the swearing and negative comments?


Please stop this angry hostility. It just doesn't make sense anymore.
Asking people on GFY to stop swearing and being hostile is about as stupid as telling affiliates to only post 4 galls in an attempt to turn around the entire industry's working practises.

TeenCat 07-21-2010 04:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 17351191)
I don't understand this at all. Where does all this rage come from? Name calling and nasty comments?

All we did was just ask affiliates not post every single FHG in one location... and just post up to 4.

Is that so bad? Trimming down on "over promotion."

Why all the swearing and negative comments?

What is really going on here? What is this really about?

You know, some programs shut down and stiff affiliates money that is due them. All we are doing is trimming the way affiliates over advertise our content. That's all. We are doing something that is good in the long run, not bad.

Why don't people see that?

Please stop this angry hostility. It just doesn't make sense anymore.
as i said, i hate stupidity ... whole adult industry says you are doing it wrong, you are doing it just worst, you dont see the traffic falling? i hate stupid people ... what i have on my mind i have in my mouth, my problem is that i am acting first then i am thinking, also my mother told me ... anyway, i hate stupidity and its making all the rage inside me, sorry :) its nothing personal against you, just my problem, will try to not touch your posts anymore :)

Socks 07-21-2010 04:21 AM
To alpha's credit, he/she's clearly not versed in Teencat'lology.

Pre-requisite reading.

NikKay 07-21-2010 07:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 17350790)
Well, we didn't mean to disrespect to any current affiliates. We had no idea that somebody would post our private email for sport. We never "bashed" our affiliates, but are asking them to simply remove some excess FHG's. We did send out an email about 3 weeks ago and we didn't get a response from those affiliates listed in our 2nd email. We just listed their sites in the email to raise attention to the issues at hand which are very serious to us and our future in business. We never called them "out" or said bad things about them. I don't feel we violated any confidence issues.

A large majority of our affiliates had no problem with reducing the amount of promotional materials being used in one location. Just a small portion did not make the adjustment as of yet.

We are not out to upset people and to cause problems. We are just asking for a reduction in the amount of FHG's being shown in one location. Still at a loss as to all the negative remarks about doing this. We feel it's a very solid move in the right direction. The current model of sending out 1000's of free pics and vids to induce sales no longer works in this market place. It's time for a different approach in a new direction.

Less = More.
You should have sent INDIVIDUAL emails to the webmasters you felt were not obeying your request. Often bulk emails to multiple webmasters get caught in spam filters. Often they get deleted by busy webmasters who don't want to spend hours a day reading all the bulk emails they get from all the sponsors they promote. You could have sent PERSONALIZED and INDIVIDUAL emails to those webmasters and there wouldn't have been as much to bash you about.

You have a decent argument about limiting the content you put out. It's your business and that's how you want to play it. Some people will disagree with you and they can just decide it's not worth promoting your sites. But listing the sites of those "naughty" affiliates in a bulk email was clearly done on purpose to make your point by calling out the kids who were being bad in class.

It was classic female passive aggressive behavior and you're not going to convince anyone here you didn't do it on purpose with malicious intent.

Agent 488 07-21-2010 07:12 AM
one of the most tone deaf people around.

DVTimes 07-21-2010 07:39 AM
he crazy thing is, those sites would sell big time.

its a shame such a twit runs them.

Nicky 07-21-2010 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Socks (Post 17351149)
Alternatively you could make a rule about only using content you designate as promoteable, and not allow affiliates to grab pictures from your members areas.. I've seen that before too.
That is what she is doing but she now thinks her prmotional material (like 8 galleries lol) is way too much so she wants people to not use them all. No way people are allowed to grab in the members area, they were not even allowed to use the promo pics she posted on GFY. :1orglaugh

potter 07-21-2010 10:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abbie (Post 17350801)
hehehe the apple twins have been shopping themselves around to webbies ... i don't foresee them staying with alpha dork much longer
Hopefully this is true and those girls get with a real program owner who can make them the money they deserve.

Socks 07-21-2010 11:39 AM
Oh yeah I almost forgot, the other facepalm moment!!

You thought people were going to A> read B> act/respond to a.... NEWSLETTER?

I use "filters" to make sure I never see those things.. Like everyone else does. :P

AlphaSky 07-21-2010 02:25 PM
Thanks again all for your insight and thoughts. As always, it's just what I expected.

I guess nobody can do anything different in this industry and we are all comdemned to doing everything the exact same way until we are all out of busness.

See ya around. I'm done with this thread. It's just too angry and hostile.

Agent 488 07-21-2010 02:27 PM
you are too stupid goodbye.

LeRoy 07-21-2010 02:42 PM
Affiliates using a few galleries shouldnt be your concern.

Rapid Share and Wares :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

DVTimes 07-21-2010 02:49 PM
there are a lot of forums where most of the content is posted.

can i ask why you bother with affiliates as they seem to be somthing you do not like.

why not just promote the sites without affiliates.

anyway i am off to the forums to see if any new updates of your sites.

atom 07-21-2010 02:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dooglas (Post 17350563)
Removing all content from my sites. :)
AlphaSky you just lost an excellent affiliate.

rowan 07-21-2010 03:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 17352992)
there are a lot of forums where most of the content is posted.
+1

Alphasky: affiliates send you sales, many forums just steal your content. The latter is FAR worse as they post entire member sets or sometimes even entire site rips... compared to a hundred FHG size/grade pics on a site that links to you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DVTimes (Post 17352992)
can i ask why you bother with affiliates as they seem to be somthing you do not like.
+1,000,000

Like I said above, there is nothing wrong with innovation, but be very careful about introducing changes. If you piss off your affiliates, they'll just drop their links. You aren't just competing for sales in your niche, you're also competing for affiliates.

selena 07-21-2010 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 17352912)
Thanks again all for your insight and thoughts. As always, it's just what I expected.

I guess nobody can do anything different in this industry and we are all comdemned to doing everything the exact same way until we are all out of busness.

See ya around. I'm done with this thread. It's just too angry and hostile.
You can do whatever you want with your content, and your affiliate program, including not having an affiliate program.

But once you do, if you are going to call out affiliates for something, you need to take it up individually with each of them, not send out an email blast about it.

I'm a big advocate of less is more and the tease factor, so I get what you are saying there, and do not disagree with it. 3xTom could attest to the time that I photoshopped lingerie back on Raven's pussy way back in the beginning. There was a particularly good shot of her that I wanted to use, but she was exposing everything, and I didn't want to give up the goods. He called me the Martha Stewart of Porn then. :1orglaugh

But there is a fine line between proactively managing what gets handed out, and giving your affiliates enough to promote you with. Imho, your efforts would be best rewarded by using tease content only as ad tools, and talking to someone like Robbie about protecting your member's area content.

:2 cents:

Nicky 07-21-2010 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeRoy (Post 17352966)
Affiliates using a few galleries shouldnt be your concern.

Rapid Share and Wares :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
wtf, they violated the 4 fhg rule?? :mad:

Tippy 07-21-2010 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 17351043)

Our work is sexy, erotic and pure fantasy. No sex, no violence, no penetration of any kind, no showing of genitals, no touching of genitals, no sex acts, no incest.
:Oh crap that sounds boring... no dildos or pussy shots?

Loch 07-21-2010 05:14 PM
Alpha, only you get flamed in here for the business moves you make that affect your affiliates "almost only you".
Dont you find that a bit odd?

I doubt there is anyone in here willing to seriously promote you unless you start accepting the fact that most of your affiliates are MUCH better at this than you are.

Especially the ones that could make you real money.

Thats just my

:2 cents:

Joshua G 07-21-2010 05:38 PM
sig spotten.

& to the alpha sky, all i can suggest is that you not tell affiliates how to do their job. If you dont like your content saturated, you should do all your marketing in-house, then you get total control.

VIXEN ESCORTS 07-21-2010 06:00 PM
Equally valid response to the retarded dick that is the OP

"You are a complete NOTHING

Your a stupid incest seller, worthless idiot and you have shit for brains

I have 12 constructive years in this business, but never seen such a loudmouth with a high believe in himself then you. I have seen Noobs doing a better job.

Those twins, incest bitches, could make more money ( 1500% more ) if they would shuffle a sock in your mouth and dump you in the nearest river.

People like you always end up getting a good punch for their mouth for thinking they know it all.

Piss off you ant

You have no idea how stupid you make yourself in Public. And take that from someone who is able to sell 100 Times more a month then you`ll ever be able to do.

Serious, your a cluster fuck."

That's you DVTIMES

Check out hot northern slag Samantha, coming soon to UK Vixens :)

cykoe6 07-21-2010 06:04 PM
Wow..... I am rarely surprised by something..... but really..... wow. I am speechless.

This takes noobness to a new level that I could never have imagined.

BAKO 07-21-2010 06:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tjeezers (Post 17350837)
You are a complete NOTHING

Your a stupid incest seller, worthless idiot and you have shit for brains

I have 12 constructive years in this business, but never seen such a loudmouth with a high believe in himself then you. I have seen Noobs doing a better job.

Those twins, incest bitches, could make more money ( 1500% more ) if they would shuffle a sock in your mouth and dump you in the nearest river.

People like you always end up getting a good punch for their mouth for thinking they know it all.

Piss off you ant

You have no idea how stupid you make yourself in Public. And take that from someone who is able to sell 100 Times more a month then you`ll ever be able to do.

Serious, your a cluster fuck.
Tell us how you really feel :)

DBS.US 07-21-2010 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by UKVixens (Post 17353392)
Equally valid response to the retarded dick that is the OP

"You are a complete NOTHING

Your a stupid incest seller, worthless idiot and you have shit for brains

I have 12 constructive years in this business, but never seen such a loudmouth with a high believe in himself then you. I have seen Noobs doing a better job.

Those twins, incest bitches, could make more money ( 1500% more ) if they would shuffle a sock in your mouth and dump you in the nearest river.

People like you always end up getting a good punch for their mouth for thinking they know it all.

Piss off you ant

You have no idea how stupid you make yourself in Public. And take that from someone who is able to sell 100 Times more a month then you`ll ever be able to do.

Serious, your a cluster fuck."

That's you DVTIMES

Check out hot northern slag Samantha, coming soon to UK Vixens :)
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/bla...ppletwins.com/

VIXEN ESCORTS 07-21-2010 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 17353502)
Maybe doing a DVtimes/Black Vixen comparison is more relevant and I don't have an affilate program and never will, cannot understand a business that gives away 50/60% of it's turnover on advertising ? ::)))

chronig 07-21-2010 08:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeRoy (Post 17352966)
Affiliates using a few galleries shouldnt be your concern.

Rapid Share and Wares :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
90% of that is search terms, hardly any of it has any actual content... you fuckwit troll idiot :uhoh

chronig 07-21-2010 08:45 PM
As much as the notion to limit affiliates doesn't make much sense (since you're only making 2k/month :uhoh) the concept itself isn't so bad.

I'm sure a lot of the fags in this thread bashing the idea are the same ones complaining about tubes and too much free porn on the net and sales being down.

Remember... TGPs = predecessor to Tubes...

The only reason it doesn't make sense to limit affiliates, is because "everyone else" isn't, and it's going to hurt you far more than help, in the short run and long run.

DBS.US 07-21-2010 08:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17353638)
As much as the notion to limit affiliates doesn't make much sense (since you're only making 2k/month :uhoh) the concept itself isn't so bad.

I'm sure a lot of the fags in this thread bashing the idea are the same ones complaining about tubes and too much free porn on the net and sales being down.

Remember... TGPs = predecessor to Tubes...

The only reason it doesn't make sense to limit affiliates, is because "everyone else" isn't, and it's going to hurt you far more than help, in the short run and long run.
Very good, I think that sum it all up and we can now put this to thread bed.:thumbsup

icymelon 07-21-2010 11:10 PM
I'll gladly pay you tomorrow for a burger today. seriously 4 fhg. your making a huge mistake on that policy. its just not smart business.

DWB 07-22-2010 01:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by grumpy (Post 17349698)
his program, his rules. If he thinks it works, let him. Maybe more sponsors should set some rules.
I agree with you. No reason to knock them for setting rules, even if you don't agree with them. With so many companies not paying, closing shop or cheating people, it is obvious that people don't really know what to do to stay afloat, then they get hammered when they try something different. At least they are trying. Succeed or fail, they are trying. Maybe in the process they will stumble onto something else that will lead them to something greater. Never know.

Personally, I think the cat is out of the bag already but I wish them and anyone else who wants to try something different, the best of luck. It's not easy to walk the road alone with a pack of haters on your back.

Jon Oso 07-22-2010 01:46 AM
I think he has the right idea, limiting the content he puts out there for free...

But there are other ways to go about it. Especially when he sends a mass email out with 5-6 of his affiliates links in there "making an example" out of them or whatever he's doing.

Tulku 07-22-2010 03:02 AM
It's not bad not to give much free content .. but you're giving away lower than usual..

DVTimes 07-22-2010 03:25 AM
crazy. just crazy.

punkpred 07-22-2010 03:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17350383)
I thought about this more and I have to agree with you on it.

If your content is truly that unique then I can see where you are coming from. And if the galleries are too much, it's wasted bandwidth and money because those surfers aren't converting.

I'd be interested to know the results in a few months if it improved conversions, etc.
Agreed, it would be cool to see what outcome you get out of this.

DVTimes 08-03-2010 06:31 AM
bump 4 those who have not seen it

Stef. 08-03-2010 09:27 AM
I'm just posting here for fun
I'm having pure fun
I'm not a hater
I'm not even promoting these twins
In fact, I have nothing to contribute for the thread

BUT I WANT MY SIG SPOT!!!

DVTimes 10-19-2012 03:55 AM
https://gfy.com/showthread.php?p=1926...1#post19261444


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