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Martin 07-19-2010 02:55 PM

It's weird to see Bush talking like he's not some dumb buffoon. WTF? Did he get drugged or brain washed? It's like 2 different people.

$5 submissions 07-19-2010 03:00 PM

Ron Paul: the true spiritual founder of the Tea Party movement. Many of his predictions came true.

Coup 07-19-2010 03:01 PM

How many more people are gonna wave around the bush red herring ITT. place your bets now!

seeandsee 07-19-2010 03:09 PM

Ron Paul 2012 change something god damn :)

Helix 07-19-2010 05:41 PM

I hope he runs again.

epitome 07-19-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin (Post 17347159)
It's weird to see Bush talking like he's not some dumb buffoon. WTF? Did he get drugged or brain washed? It's like 2 different people.

Bush only played like he was dumb to feed into that whole "I'm a trustworthy regular guy from Texas" image that got him voted in. He is from the North East, raised in a wealthy family and graduated ivy league. It is all an act.

IllTestYourGirls 07-19-2010 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 17347499)
Bush only played like he was dumb to feed into that whole "I'm a trustworthy regular guy from Texas" image that got him voted in. He is from the North East, raised in a wealthy family and graduated ivy league. It is all an act.

Yeah thats no joke.

I get why progressives called him stupid. The American people bought it. They got the their people in. But the funny way they got their people in is by claiming "Bush tricked us into voting for the war, patriot act ect." Yeah, he was the dumb one :1orglaugh

iseeyou 07-19-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17346999)
he's a typical Right-Wing hypocrit

Ron Paul is typical? Check out how he votes in Congress and you will see that he votes unlike everyone else in congress.

From wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark_(politics)

Defenders of the earmarking process point out that directing money to particular purposes is a core Constitutional function of Congress. If Congress does not make a specific allocation, the task falls to the executive branch; there is no guarantee that the allocation made by executive agencies will be superior to Congress's. Presidents and executive officials can use the allocation of spending to reward friends and punish enemies. The process of earmarks has been substantially reformed since the beginning of the 110th Congress. Members of Congress must post all their requests on their websites and they must sign a certification letter (which are then put online) indicating that neither they nor their spouse has financial interest in the earmark request.[10] Many members have instituted an applications process that their constituents must undergo for earmark requests.[11] Finally, member-directed projects constitute 2 percent of the federal budget.[citation needed]

Here's something to consider: I oppose 2257, but that does not mean I am a hypocrite if I comply with 2257. I oppose social security but, that does not mean I am a hypocrite by collecting social security, especially if I paid taxes into social security. If I oppose government-run police and fire, that does not mean I dont use those services. In fact, you can be arrested and punished if you fail to report some crimes or fires, or fail to pay taxes. My religion may allow me more than one wife, but I may be in prison, if I do it.

As long as congress continues to pass massive budgets, then Ron Paul wants some taxes refunded back to Texas, through earmarks. Ron Paul cant issue tax refunds, so earmarks are one of the only ways to send money back to Texas. He always votes against the Federal budget, by the way. If you dont like earmarks for Texas, then tell your congressman to vote against the federal budget, like Ron Paul does, and then no one will get any earmarks.

Of course, we both already know that you dont oppose earmarks on principle. You just want to attack Ron Paul and make him look like a hypocrite, because he is not an ally of socialism/marxism/communism. Isn't that the truth?

iseeyou 07-19-2010 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17346993)

But I think you're missing the whole point. I have never voted for an earmark. I voted against all appropriation bills. So, this whole thing about earmarks is totally misunderstood.

...

The principle of the earmark is our responsibility. We're supposed to ? it's like a ? a tax credit. And I vote for all tax credits, no matter how silly they might seem. If I can give you any of you of your money back, I vote for it. So, if I can give my district any money back, I encourage that.

But, because the budget is out of control, I haven't voted for an appropriation in years ? if ever.

Coup 07-19-2010 08:28 PM

All hail the messiah ron paul.. he can do no wrong for he walks on water.

haha you people are worse than obamatards.

Barefootsies 07-19-2010 08:29 PM

Fiddy passionate Ron Paul mofos.

Coup 07-19-2010 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by iseeyou (Post 17347702)
But I think you're missing the whole point. I have never voted for an earmark. I voted against all appropriation bills. So, this whole thing about earmarks is totally misunderstood.

...

The principle of the earmark is our responsibility. We're supposed to ? it's like a ? a tax credit. And I vote for all tax credits, no matter how silly they might seem. If I can give you any of you of your money back, I vote for it. So, if I can give my district any money back, I encourage that.

But, because the budget is out of control, I haven't voted for an appropriation in years ? if ever.

*spends hundreds of millions in subsides every chance he gets*

tiger 07-19-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17346502)
Obama is just like the rest of them

Sadly in many ways its true. I don't know if I will give him all the blame since the democrats are spineless in general but so far he has been a pretty big disappointment for me. He still has 2+ years left but I don't see any signs of hope yet.

Agent 488 07-19-2010 10:45 PM

ron paul is a fraud. all politicians are criminal scum.

iseeyou 07-20-2010 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17347717)
*spends hundreds of millions in subsides every chance he gets*

or more accurately,

*In appropriation bills, he adds millions in subsidies for his district, every chance he gets, and later votes against them, by voting against the appropriation bill which contains those subsidies*

charlie g 07-20-2010 04:19 AM

In 2008 Ron Paul's congressional office returned $58,000 to the Treasury. In 2009, his office returned $90,000. This year it just paid back $100,000.

This is not a guy gaming the system. If people want real change you have an opportunity. With Obama, there was no change...it has been business as usual.

Now I dont agree with all that he espouses, but there is no way he could implement many of the things he wants in 4 years because congress will go against him. But it will cut the head off the beast and may lead to a real lasting chance to change the game.

acrylix 07-20-2010 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17347715)
All hail the messiah ron paul.. he can do no wrong for he walks on water.

haha you people are worse than obamatards.

Yep, when you fail with facts, resort to insults. :thumbsup

Looks like most people in this thread have actually done their research on the man.

chopstick 07-20-2010 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17347715)
All hail the messiah ron paul.. he can do no wrong for he walks on water.
haha you people are worse than obamatards.

You've bashed RP and BO, but who do you support? A name, not an (impossible) idea, please.

chopstick 07-20-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by charlie g (Post 17348181)
With Obama, there was no change...

I completely DISagree with you! Obama changed everything!

He changed his name from Barry Soetaro.
He changed the skin colour of the President.
He changed the disinterested black minority into Intensely devout followers (of him, and not actual politics)
He changed the idea BACK to "Anything is Possible" right as people thought otherwise.
bla bla bla

Lots of useless changes. Nothing of substance as you were saying. But, those useless changes DID manage to rally a tremendous following. The dude was on the cover of Spider Man! Jesus-level following in a lot of areas.

And the next change that is being predicted is the Acceptance of disregarding your Constitution by way of executive order. Give up your freedoms and liberties in exchange for security... Which we all know will result in no security, no liberties and no freedoms. Duh.

Dcat 07-25-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17346634)
probably because of their illegal campaign practices.

Moron. :2 cents:

"illegal campaign practices"

Yes, because informing people how their candidates voted on certain issues is now "illegal" right?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Moron² :2 cents:

Coup 07-25-2010 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chopstick (Post 17348776)
You've bashed RP and BO, but who do you support? A name, not an (impossible) idea, please.

I support the complete dismantling of the US government and burning of the US constitution.

Coup 07-25-2010 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 17362241)
"illegal campaign practices"

Yes, because informing people how their candidates voted on certain issues is now "illegal" right?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Moron² :2 cents:

if you think that's why they're being investigated then you're the only moron here.

Coup 07-25-2010 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by acrylix (Post 17348427)
Yep, when you fail with facts, resort to insults. :thumbsup

Looks like most people in this thread have actually done their research on the man.

You just don't like the conclusions I've come to because it flies in the face of your hero worship.

Dcat 07-25-2010 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17362261)
if you think that's why they're being investigated then you're the only moron here.

Please enlighten me then. I'd like to hear all about these alleged "illegal campaign practices."

This should be good..

Coup 07-25-2010 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dcat (Post 17362303)
Please enlighten me then. I'd like to hear all about these alleged "illegal campaign practices."

This should be good..

Quote:

The FEC is investigating claims that the organization is using its staff to directly benefit candidates for elected office. Like they?re doing with Rand Paul and concealing corporate contributions, coordinating with candidates and knowingly exceeding contribution limits.
Of course we will have to wait for the investigations conclusion to see if anything comes of it.


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