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  • bdjerk
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    • Jan 2005
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    #351
    Originally posted by Thurbs
    Not sure why everyone is so quick to the pitch forks.

    While I'm not familiar with who the players at Virage / Manwin are, I know that the sale happened. This isn't a smoke and mirrors sale, ownership has changed hands. Any buyer in the program market can tell you this.

    That being said, I know for a fact that when buying a company and retaining the operational staff, last thing on your mind is changing all the company letterhead.

    Acquisition space is a fast action, hit them hard and see returns game. I'm sure they are all looking for ways to increase the bottom line, or integrate their more profitable business methods.

    I know first hand that Pornhub network of tubes have all been quietly working very hard with original content owners to further monetize the content directly and get the tubes to what they could have always been, a real traffic source for content owners to earn with. ( As long as DMCA is the loop hole, I'd take 50% of something , over 100% of nothing )

    I'd say that when a guy like Fabian comes out and gives a direct line of contact, people with problems should use it.
    oh shut the fuck up, you work for a guy who single handedly(almost) fucked the whole banking community. the little 'cleaning up the spill' disaster response from fabien is pathetic. he's no angel. cry me a fucking river.
    bdjerk inc.

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    • JFK
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      • Jan 2002
      • 67373

      #352
      One Fitty.....................one ..............
      Last edited by JFK; 07-18-2010, 08:17 AM.

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      • bdjerk
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        #353
        Originally posted by crazytrini85
        Call me crazy but a man who can afford to drop over 100 million dollars on a criminal enterprise would not be wasting his time on GFY in such a useless conversation.

        I'm calling shenanigans.
        it wasn't his money. he's a front man. a modern day joe E.
        he's the guy all the invisible money men, the pupeteers looked around and said, "hey we really need a guy that we can send to the morons down on the street. someone who has half a shot at turning the image around because he used to be someone who bro'd around and shook hands at shows. who can we put out there in the front?"

        world meet nathan. he's not a big money man, he's a firefighter.
        bdjerk inc.

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        • crazytrini85
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          • Jun 2006
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          #354
          Originally posted by bdjerk
          you work for a guy who single handedly(almost) fucked the whole banking community.
          Nailed that one. hahaha did some serious damage.

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          • Tjeezers
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            • Mar 2007
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            #355
            Good luck with your business and answering posts here
            From what I have seen and read, you seem to be a good fit for the adult industry.

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            • TwinCities
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              • Oct 2003
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              #356
              I am really not sure what all the hoopla is here in this big ass thread. Manwin is a great company and I have eaten their Sloppy Joe's since I was a kid.

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              • marketsmart
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                • Dec 2004
                • 20419

                #357
                Originally posted by TwinCities
                I am really not sure what all the hoopla is here in this big ass thread. Manwin is a great company and I have eaten their Sloppy Joe's since I was a kid.
                did you know that there are actually 2 servings of vegetables in a sloppy joe sandwich?

                and they are delicious too.....





                .

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                • lazycash
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                  #358
                  Originally posted by Tjeezers
                  Good luck with your business and answering posts here
                  From what I have seen and read, you seem to be a good fit for the adult industry.
                  "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..

                  Its crazy..."

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                  • crazytrini85
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                    #359
                    Originally posted by TwinCities
                    I am really not sure what all the hoopla is here in this big ass thread. Manwin is a great company and I have eaten their Sloppy Joe's since I was a kid.

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                    • babymaker
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                      #360

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                      • erooup
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                        #361
                        http://www.interpol.int/public/Data/...2009_13445.asp

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                        • BigDeanEvans
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                          • Apr 2006
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                          #362
                          How does one go from owning nats to buying up a 140 million dollar company?

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                          • JFK
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                            #363
                            Originally posted by BigDeanEvans
                            How does one go from owning nats to buying up a 140 million dollar company?
                            think BIG

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                            • DaddyHalbucks
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                              #364
                              Congrats and good luck!
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                              • TwinCities
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                                #365
                                Originally posted by BigDeanEvans
                                How does one go from owning nats to buying up a 140 million dollar company?
                                Easy, these guys have actually been in business since 1969, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manwich LOL

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                                • ThumbLord
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                                  #366
                                  erooup thanks for the link.
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                                  • Qbert
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                                    #367
                                    Originally posted by BigDeanEvans
                                    How does one go from owning nats to buying up a 140 million dollar company?
                                    Silent partners? Family? Connected?

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                                    • BigDeanEvans
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                                      • Apr 2006
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                                      #368
                                      Originally posted by Qbert
                                      Silent partners? Family? Connected?
                                      Lets hope Fabian answers this one

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                                      • BigDeanEvans
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                                        • Apr 2006
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                                        #369
                                        Originally posted by TwinCities
                                        Easy, these guys have actually been in business since 1969, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manwich LOL

                                        Is manwich worth 140 million lol ? Is brazers/pornhub really worth 140 mill??

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                                        • crazytrini85
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                                          #370
                                          Originally posted by BigDeanEvans
                                          How does one go from owning nats to buying up a 140 million dollar company?
                                          THIS IS NOT AN ACCUSATION OR A SERIOUS POST!

                                          What if....

                                          Imagine if all the hidden charges that people were getting on their credit cards was not related to the shady programs that everyone has pinned the blame on, and in fact was due to the NATS partner having access to all those credit cards and banging them (oh, I don't know....... via that huge security breach NATS had two years ago - isn't that when the real card banging started?), making millions and millions of dollars to purchase a large company like Brazzers and others. The shady programs take the blame, this guy makes out like a bandit, no one knows the wiser.

                                          It would be a scam for the record books.

                                          Of course this didn't happen, this was only a "what if" post for the sake of entertainment.

                                          That would be something, huh?
                                          Last edited by crazytrini85; 07-18-2010, 09:34 PM.

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                                          • Nathan
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                                            #371
                                            Originally posted by Qbert
                                            Silent partners? Family? Connected?
                                            Family, connected & lucky to be at the right place at the right time.

                                            My first 3 acquisitions were 7 figures each, first one paid for second and third, the 3 together worked perfectly as planned...

                                            But like everyone here knows anyway, tubes make no money, so all this was really cheap anyway....
                                            Last edited by Nathan; 07-18-2010, 09:36 PM.
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                                            • Nathan
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                                              #372
                                              Originally posted by crazytrini85
                                              THIS IS NOT AN ACCUSATION OR A SERIOUS POST!

                                              What if....

                                              Imagine if all the hidden charges that people were getting on their credit cards was not related to the shady programs that everyone has pinned the blame on, and in fact was due to the NATS partner having access to all those credit cards and banging them (oh, I don't know....... via that huge security breach NATS had two years ago - isn't that when the real card banging started?), making millions and millions of dollars to purchase a large company like Brazzers and others. The shady programs take the blame, this guy makes out like a bandit, no one knows the wiser.

                                              It would be a scam for the record books.

                                              Of course this didn't happen, this was only a "what if" post for the sake of entertainment.

                                              That would be something, huh?
                                              Would be the perfect twist for a movie like Middle Men.. maybe I should make one too.. hmmm...

                                              then again, I left TMM long ago... :/
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                                              • crazytrini85
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                                                #373
                                                Originally posted by Nathan
                                                Would be the perfect twist for a movie like Middle Men.. maybe I should make one too.. hmmm...
                                                Would be a great twist for that movie.

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                                                • Adam_M
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                                                  #374
                                                  Congratulations Fabian, look forward to don't much business together in the years to come
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                                                  • GonZo
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                                                    #375
                                                    Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                    I don't have to try and make you look stupid...

                                                    You do quite well at that all by yourself (Managing Partner of what you say is a non-partnership, LOL).

                                                    Although, this may be a more accurate description of your position:



                                                    From what I have heard, you are just a lackey for Daniel and Sam - This Sam and Dan., whom you so far claim no knowledge of.

                                                    Oh, and congrats on getting LickMyBalls banned - for a poser (OPM) millionaire you come across to me as a sniveling rat...

                                                    I guess that is why you did not respond to this post:



                                                    The above quote/post (with no response from Nathan/Fabian after almost 12 hours) pretty much sums up this thread and speaks volumes about Manwin...

                                                    ADG
                                                    Ah Daniel my old buddy that writes scareware software that makes your CD drawer pop out. Looks like hes been busy since he 127.0.0.1 oprano in his hosts file.

                                                    One more dot connected.
                                                    Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!
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                                                    • BigDeanEvans
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                                                      • Apr 2006
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                                                      #376
                                                      Originally posted by GonZo
                                                      Ah Daniel my old buddy that writes scareware software that makes your CD drawer pop out. Looks like hes been busy since he 127.0.0.1 oprano in his hosts file.

                                                      One more dot connected.

                                                      woopsie

                                                      Like i said earlier, they all end up dead, broke or in federal prison
                                                      Last edited by BigDeanEvans; 07-18-2010, 11:00 PM.

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                                                      • Socks
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                                                        #377
                                                        he's got some... change in his pocket... and he's... rarin' to go.

                                                        ;)

                                                        Last edited by Socks; 07-18-2010, 11:42 PM.

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                                                        • ladida
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                                                          #378
                                                          Originally posted by Nathan
                                                          My first 3 acquisitions were 7 figures each, first one paid for second and third, the 3 together worked perfectly as planned...
                                                          And envisionext was one of them
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                                                          • $tandaman
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                                                            #379
                                                            Originally posted by ladida
                                                            And envisionext was one of them
                                                            You are an idiot sir. I clearly stated that it's owned by me, and not Nathan. Quit stirring shit if you have no real information.
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                                                            • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                                              #380
                                                              Originally posted by $tandaman
                                                              You are an idiot sir. I clearly stated that it's owned by me, and not Nathan. Quit stirring shit if you have no real information.
                                                              Assuming you are Stan Fiskin of Envisionext, were you ever the COO or VP of BizDev for Fabian Thylmann's Virage Media?

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                                                              • BigDeanEvans
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                                                                #381
                                                                Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                Assuming you are Stan Fiskin of Envisionext, were you ever the COO or VP of BizDev for Fabian Thylmann's Virage Media?

                                                                ADG

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                                                                • AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
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                                                                  #382
                                                                  Originally posted by BigDeanEvans
                                                                  Crickets, like cockroaches, are mostly nocturnal creatures, whereas grasshoppers are mostly diurnal creatures, that mostly come out during the daylight.

                                                                  It will be interesting to see if Standaman (Stan Fiskin) will be forthright and shed some true light on his association with Virage Media/Fabian Thylmann (GFY nick Nathan).

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                                                                  • BigDeanEvans
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                                                                    • Apr 2006
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                                                                    #383
                                                                    Yeah, Stan care to shed some light on this?

                                                                    And fabian, you said you did a deal here and a flip there and somehow you ended up with a $140,000,000 purchase...that's some serious flippping right there!!

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                                                                    • ladida
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                                                                      #384
                                                                      Originally posted by $tandaman
                                                                      You are an idiot sir. I clearly stated that it's owned by me, and not Nathan. Quit stirring shit if you have no real information.
                                                                      I'm not stirring any shit, im just saying what it is. I can name some other companies he owns as well. By owns i dont mean he is 100% the owner, i was replying to his "acquisitions" reply, so it's either a majority ownership, or something similar, but he is at least partly the owner (and i dont mean 1 or 2%).

                                                                      Why would it be stirring shit anyway if he was the owner (or one of the) of envisionext?
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                                                                      • fris
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                                                                        #385
                                                                        Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                        Family, connected & lucky to be at the right place at the right time.

                                                                        My first 3 acquisitions were 7 figures each, first one paid for second and third, the 3 together worked perfectly as planned...

                                                                        But like everyone here knows anyway, tubes make no money, so all this was really cheap anyway....
                                                                        regarding my question about profiting off our content, you admit its ok, as long as you take it down when a dmca is sent?
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                                                                        • fris
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                                                                          #386
                                                                          Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                          Assuming you are Stan Fiskin of Envisionext, were you ever the COO or VP of BizDev for Fabian Thylmann's Virage Media?

                                                                          ADG
                                                                          did envisionnext own likewoah that hosting company that ran off with everyones money and crashed and burned like a house on fire.
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                                                                          • Mike Dutch
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                                                                            #387
                                                                            Congrats on this, good job

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                                                                            • Agent 488
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                                                                              #388
                                                                              it's all new frontmen. non one worth that much $ would degrade themselves like this.

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                                                                              • bdjerk
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                                                                                #389
                                                                                Originally posted by $tandaman
                                                                                You are an idiot sir. I clearly stated that it's owned by me, and not Nathan. Quit stirring shit if you have no real information.
                                                                                THIS URL IS ON MAILMAN'S BOARD/showthread.php?t=75203

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                                                                                we arent trying to *pull* anything...
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                                                                                we have acquired xtube, iwantu, and envisionext so far

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                                                                                Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                Assuming you are Stan Fiskin of Envisionext, were you ever the COO or VP of BizDev for Fabian Thylmann's Virage Media?

                                                                                ADG

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                                                                                Didn't waste much time getting back to old biz.

                                                                                Originally posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude
                                                                                Crickets, like cockroaches, are mostly nocturnal creatures, whereas grasshoppers are mostly diurnal creatures, that mostly come out during the daylight.

                                                                                It will be interesting to see if Standaman (Stan Fiskin) will be forthright and shed some true light on his association with Virage Media/Fabian Thylmann (GFY nick Nathan).

                                                                                ADG
                                                                                i'm pretty sure it won't take long to find and disseminate all the public info .
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                                                                                • Nathan
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                                                                                  #390
                                                                                  You are all rather funny still... Sorry that I could not post more, I actually had to work today, as compared to the weekend so not so much time for entertainment :/

                                                                                  ADG & ladida,
                                                                                  As I have said before in this thread, things change. Yes I tried merging with envisionext at one point in the past, but the merger was reverted since the benefits did not pan out for anyone at the time. Stan is very B2B and I am more B2C. We hoped a mix would be good, but even the best among us make mistakes... So, him saying he is not a part of Manwin is not a lie, which is all he said. Stan does have a lot of good contacts in the actual adult entertainment industry (not in the would-be one you are in) so he still introduces me to people now and then and does some consulting work for me.

                                                                                  BDE,
                                                                                  This is thread is not M&A 101, it's a clarification. I am not here to explain to you how to do good M&A deals, neither to tell you how much I spent on these assets. Your number is wrong though...

                                                                                  Bdjerk, I am not even sure what you are trying to prove with almost 2 year old posts... But this is 2010... Last time I checked there is no live page which lists my exact collection of assets... If you magically find one, let me know...
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                                                                                  • pradaboy
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                                                                                    #391
                                                                                    I do remember shit at envisionext & co was fishy to say the least. Buddy of mine went to prison because of it.
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                                                                                    • wargames
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                                                                                      #392
                                                                                      Originally posted by fris
                                                                                      regarding my question about profiting off our content, you admit its ok, as long as you take it down when a dmca is sent?
                                                                                      Hey Fris as you can see here
                                                                                      http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1021902004

                                                                                      we've been working with the guys at pornhub to put our content up in a respectable way, and hope to continue to earn with them in the future. we appreciate your concern.

                                                                                      If any other tubes are looking to list our content with proper advertising, hit us up, and we can go over it - drop your [email protected]
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                                                                                      • ladida
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                                                                                        #393
                                                                                        Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                        So, him saying he is not a part of Manwin is not a lie, which is all he said.
                                                                                        I see what you did there, but incorrect.
                                                                                        Let's not go ahead and put words in my mouth here.
                                                                                        Stan is not part of manwin, that is correct, and i never said he was. Manwin is basically old mansef, with fiscal group as the new owner (or whatever you have the company named), and old employees minus the old owners.
                                                                                        I said that YOU own (or are a part owner) of a company that owns envisionext and a bunch of other adult related (and some not) companies. So re-read that. You merged at some point with envisionext, you moved to CEO etc etc.
                                                                                        I don't see why this is such a hot issue anyway, or why Stan came here telling me i am stirring shit?
                                                                                        Last edited by ladida; 07-19-2010, 10:47 AM.
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                                                                                        • Half man, Half Amazing
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                                                                                          #394
                                                                                          Originally posted by Far-L

                                                                                          Listen, the moment one of you spends the amount we have spent truly fighting for the industry with our hard earned money, rather than just standing up on some soap box and sermonizing like alcoholic preachers trying to atone for their sins by calling fire and brimstone on everyone else, let me know.
                                                                                          Disagree with you there Farrell. The freedom to voice ones passionate opinions should not be determined by how much money one has spent to defend it. You deserve credit for the battles you have fought and won, but don't piss on the smaller folk who just haven't made it big yet. Those passionate little guys can grow up to be ethical big guys.
                                                                                          Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.

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                                                                                          • ahoy
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                                                                                            #395
                                                                                            Originally posted by wargames
                                                                                            Hey Fris as you can see here
                                                                                            http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1021902004

                                                                                            we've been working with the guys at pornhub to put our content up in a respectable way, and hope to continue to earn with them in the future. we appreciate your concern.

                                                                                            If any other tubes are looking to list our content with proper advertising, hit us up, and we can go over it - drop your [email protected]
                                                                                            I am confused, the way Fris makes it sound, he works for FYC, is that not true?

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                                                                                            • crazytrini85
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                                                                                              #396
                                                                                              Originally posted by wargames
                                                                                              Hey Fris as you can see here
                                                                                              http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1021902004

                                                                                              we've been working with the guys at pornhub to put our content up in a respectable way, and hope to continue to earn with them in the future. we appreciate your concern.

                                                                                              If any other tubes are looking to list our content with proper advertising, hit us up, and we can go over it - drop your [email protected]
                                                                                              I see a 4 minute clip there with nothing that links back to your site.

                                                                                              What did I miss or where should I be looking? Just as an FYI, if I can't figure it out, your general surfer is also fucked.

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                                                                                              • wargames
                                                                                                Kliris
                                                                                                • May 2003
                                                                                                • 10423

                                                                                                #397
                                                                                                Originally posted by crazytrini85
                                                                                                I see a 4 minute clip there with nothing that links back to your site.

                                                                                                What did I miss or where should I be looking? Just as an FYI, if I can't figure it out, your general surfer is also fucked.
                                                                                                There is a link above and a banner below to cruelty party
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                                                                                                • xanadu
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                                                                                                  • Sep 2006
                                                                                                  • 997

                                                                                                  #398
                                                                                                  well banner under the video player directs to a site of fuckyoucash for me, at least its a way for the sponsors to get some traffic
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                                                                                                  • Agent 488
                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                    • Feb 2006
                                                                                                    • 22511

                                                                                                    #399
                                                                                                    Originally posted by crazytrini85
                                                                                                    I see a 4 minute clip there with nothing that links back to your site.

                                                                                                    What did I miss or where should I be looking? Just as an FYI, if I can't figure it out, your general surfer is also fucked.
                                                                                                    blind much?

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                                                                                                    • bdjerk
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                                                                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                                                                      • 219

                                                                                                      #400
                                                                                                      frontman finish last in the end.
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