Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17333623)

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17333658)

No offense hoss, because I enjoy your posts and respect your experience but you simply need to ask around, and do better research. Those numbers do not match with what real people are saying.

I actually will sign up to surfer forums, and ask around to get people's feelings. Or my personal favorite, the devil's advocate to tease out some feedback. I ask around here locally. I ask around on social networks. I do a lot of actual research, not just shadow boxing or parroting what I read on adult boards.

Based on what I have come across, and what people tell me directly, that is what forms my opinion. I do not buy into the board, and trade hype. I simply conduct my own Q&A with people as time allows and get some feedback.

Anyway, we'll just agree to disagree. Back toe business.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17333672)

What exactly are we disagreeing on.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17333672)

you think I am just an idiot and have no basis for what I think (basically).

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17333718)

Percentage about social sites/networks, and the increased number of sites on the net competing for the limited surfers time spent online and it's effect on porn sales.



I said no such thing. I think no such thing. Maybe try decaf tomorrow?

Originally Posted by georgeyw (Post 17333363)

You just listed 3 or 4 of the shittiest *entertainers* on the planet. How they managed to make a living out of peddling their shitty music is amazing.

The fact they are having to cancel concerts due their music sucking nuts isn't really anything to do with people falling on hard times. :2 cents:

With RE to the OP :

Like always - key is to have unique content. I personally find that solo girl sites are what converts the best still. The lesser known the better (usually the type of stuff that isn't on tubes yet).

When people can't get it free - they will pay............................

Originally Posted by DEA (Post 17331743)

see post # 2:winkwink:


you are correct :thumbsup
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/j...13/80scomp.jpg

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/200...3-homeless.jpg


Times have changed:2 cents:

Originally Posted by AlphaSky (Post 17333911)

:thumbsup That's why we are still in business. We offer rare unique content.

Solo girls and rare niches will always sell. I think when a man falls in love with a certain woman online (or set of twins ;) He will PAY to see her naked.

Generic run of the mill porn, that you can see on any tube site simply doesn't sell as well... and in the coming years, forget it. Doesn't take a math genious to crunch the numbers.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17333982)

To those who think the downturn is due only or mostly to the economic decline.

Good luck with your theory, hope you will last out till the recovery and pray that customers lost during the depression will return. I've worked in this business for over 30 years and through many recessions, we used to be immune to them. Plus the downturn happened before the recession, it just made it worse..

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17333785)

I take that as implication that you feel your opinion is qualified and mine is not.

Originally Posted by fatfoo (Post 17331913)

The computer is very small.

That's fine.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17334356)

How you 'take it' on a personal level is not my concern.

I have already explained my intentions, and you keep going on about me thinking this, or that, like I am better than you or more right. Your a turd, and I'm the king. None of which I was saying. I already explained the feedback based on my own research of asking people directly, online and off, about their porn surfing habits and online time.

I already explained how I came to my conclusions, or opinions. I qualified my opinion based on those facts. I am not going to keep repeating myself, nor am I going to fight with you. If you want to be right that badly about your opinion, then fine.


There. That should now make you happy, you won. The thread can now continue with Paul, and the rest of your discussion on the topic. I frankly do not care enough to argue about it. Carry on.
:pimp

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17334276)

:upsidedow:upsidedow:warning You do understand that even "rare niche" content makes it onto tube sites. That it is just as easy to steal a twin video as it is a solo video? You miss the point and the problem by a thousands miles. Sure twin content has less competition from OTHER PAY SITES, but it will just as easy end up on tube sites where your shit will be given away for free just like everyone's shit. "Rare" content or not. does not matter, only difference is if you have a small amount of members it might take longer for your content to make it to the tube site, but it will you can count on it.



Paul I will stop you right there. First of all you can't say "I've worked in this industry for 30 years and we have had many recessions" etc. " Online has only been around for about 15 years. We can't take cash online, like a brick and mortar store. Since we rely about 98% on CREDIT CARDS, then as credit cards go, so do us. Over the last 2-3 years it has been well documented that MILLIONS of people have had their available balances removed and now these people have no funds left. There is also record high people going default, extremely high unemployment and foreclosures. It isn't just a "recession" we have had what amounts to a big percentages of potential buyers go bye bye. Our market has shrunk big time. People are still out there looking at porn, and several of them are trying to buy but they are being declined and their rebills are being declined because they do not have sufficient funds available.

When someone is bankrupt and loses their cards, or maxed out and 3 months behind where are they suppose to shit the money to make the transaction go through. Do some research see how this has become a huge problem in the last couple years, more so than any point since the net has been around. Can't compare this to offline, people can always scrape up some cash to go to the strip club, buy from a physical porn shop, etc. but not online.

Originally Posted by Adultmix (Post 17334014)

and may be because we dont have any new excitng products coming soon. I thought that flash would be in use widely back in 2005 and it never happened, mostly we try selling to older 640 resolution when its time to move on to HD only on demand.

I like the idea of video on demand in HD. THats what I would pay for.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17335015)

So why is mainstream still doing better, in fact mainstream is up. Why are Tubes not closing at the same rate? They still seem to be staying the course.

The recession has hit spending, but nothing like as hard as Adult has been hit.

Originally Posted by CHARGER (Post 17331720)

... when the person have to choose between eating and watching some skinny girl getting naked over the internet that he will never meet personaly.... just guess what is going to happend ...:2 cents:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17334586)

WTF? forget about all of that bullshit, who is right or who is wrong. I merely touched on that but you have replied making it 100% of your focus. I want to stay on track with the topic at hand.

You have done a lot of market research and believe that more time being spent on social networking sites has cause there to be a significant drop in porn membership sales. This is your theory. I told you I don't believe it and i stated my thoughts why. All you keep telling me is that you disagree and you have your reasons why. But simple saying " people are spending more time on facebook" is not a reason. It is a fact. People are spending more time on facebook, now explain to me HOW people spending more time on facebook is affecting porn site sales. Are you saying that people are replacing their porn surfing time with facebook time, and therefore are horny / jerking off less? are you saying that people are now jerking off to content on facebook vs porn sites.

I replied to your post with my thoughts, you replied back saying you disagreed and have done a lot of research. I have heard this same belief (I can't call it an argument because no one has yet to provide details to support the "more time on facebook = less porn sales), but I look forward to someone such as yourself who has researched this to help educate me more on the topic. Help prove my thoughts wrong and teach me something. Don't try to deflect this to a pissing match, I am being sincere here, please explain to me the details... I don't want to be told I am right, I want to learn something if I am wrong.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 17334276)

Paul I will stop you right there. First of all you can't say "I've worked in this industry for 30 years and we have had many recessions" etc. " Online has only been around for about 15 years. We can't take cash online, like a brick and mortar store. Since we rely about 98% on CREDIT CARDS, then as credit cards go, so do us. Over the last 2-3 years it has been well documented that MILLIONS of people have had their available balances removed and now these people have no funds left. There is also record high people going default, extremely high unemployment and foreclosures. It isn't just a "recession" we have had what amounts to a big percentages of potential buyers go bye bye. Our market has shrunk big time. People are still out there looking at porn, and several of them are trying to buy but they are being declined and their rebills are being declined because they do not have sufficient funds available.

When someone is bankrupt and loses their cards, or maxed out and 3 months behind where are they suppose to shit the money to make the transaction go through. Do some research see how this has become a huge problem in the last couple years, more so than any point since the net has been around. Can't compare this to offline, people can always scrape up some cash to go to the strip club, buy from a physical porn shop, etc. but not online.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17335032)

And there you have it. Nothing new, innovative and the refusal to adapt has hit this industry far harder than the recession, CC limits and Tubes. Why pay for a porn video when you can get a similar video for free.

Why do something constructive when you can sit and moan about dirty rotten Tube sites and the recession taking all the customers?

Because moaning won't save the business.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17335032)

moaning won't save the business.

Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts (Post 17336612)

I'd gladly pay for a porn video, if there was one fucking porn video on the planet worth watching. All these years and the talent still can't act, the producers don't have a fucking clue what people want to see and the morons running adult sites think free is the fucking answer. If I want to jerk off any old porn video with a decent looking woman will do. One day it might be hardcore, an orgy the next, lesbians the next but I'm not going to go spend $30 to $100 on shit I can get EVERYWHERE for free. Which lesbian I'm watching is not that fucking important.

Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts (Post 17336612)

There is still money out there but literally not one fucking company has adapted. Not the website owners, not the content producers, none of them. It's hilarious and sad at the same time.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17336923)

My point exactly. The adaptation of the product by the publishers has been get more for the same price or less. It's tough for content producers to adapt and innovate when their prices were falling. Also some of the producers were still learning how to shoot anything let alone porn a few years back. Just repeating the same mistakes the Video side of the industry made.

Originally Posted by maxxtro (Post 17336971)

Why is the porn industry is so hard today?

That`s What She Said!

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17335032)

And there you have it. Nothing new, innovative and the refusal to adapt has hit this industry far harder than the recession, CC limits and Tubes. Why pay for a porn video when you can get a similar video for free.

Why do something constructive when you can sit and moan about dirty rotten Tube sites and the recession taking all the customers?

Because moaning won't save the business.

Originally Posted by Adultmix (Post 17339659)

I havent seen tube site offering HD video for free, may be i didnt search that hard.
So im told porn hungry people dont need quality content to fastly jack off on a 3
minute low quality clip.

Why people dont want to buy quality?
Either lack of money or ... ?

Originally Posted by Ninja Scripts (Post 17338161)

They definitely aren't the innovators they once were. I think most of the smart people have moved on or retired.

Originally Posted by Barefootsies (Post 17331803)

Jesus Fucking Christ people, go buy a beer with the last of your online adult industry money and cry in it already. No matter how many threads you make, and days you whine, it's not going to change anything.

1. Processing Rules Changed.
2. The Global Economy.
3. Credit Card Limits Dropped, Card Closed, People Bankrupt.
4. Flood of Free Porn.
5. Lack of Updates, Original Content, Innovation.
6. Failure to Lock Down Content.
7. Most People Never Knew How to SELL in the First Place.
8. Internet Users are Aging, and Becoming Desensitized to Same Ole Tricks.
9. Competition for Their Attention & Online Time with Social Networks.
10. Apathy & Laziness. Being a BRO is no longer enough to make money online...

Either do something about your situation, or move on to your paper hat. This is not a job match. The genie is out of the bottle, cat out of the bag, or whatever other cliche you'd like to use. Either evolve, or die.
:disgust

Originally Posted by maxpower (Post 19672532)

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Originally Posted by dimfizz (Post 19672557)

Funny and Strange is a concept for insane people to dwell on. Like,,, I am the only sane person in the world..... or am I a robot?

Originally Posted by AG_Downunder (Post 19672592)

Cracks me up everyone posting about this shit on this board, When its this board and others like it that are open to normal surfers and as such - PART OF THE PROBLEM!....

What do you think was going to happen?... They surf on here, pick up the little tricks and what not...

Now its the case of an over kill of people that THINK they know what there doing and the amount of Free porn...

Listen to Barefootsies...... Evolve or fuck off...