Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343636)

he wants me to do all the operational changes and cover the cost out of my share

so there is absolutely no way that is going to be true.

remember the 5k each is the profit i am making, because the base fee covers the cost of doing all the training setup.






there is no cancelation, since it a percentage so there is no need to replace old clients.
new clients is all i have to worry about aquiring.

each time i teach the class it grows bigger.

so it an arithmatic sequence (5+10+15+20+25.....)

so that kind of growth is not that hard.




first of all the building blocks are interchangeable/recombinable so the number of income streams is massive.

i have only taught 20 blocks so far out 543. Every year i keep discovering new blocks, and new combinations.

as a result the average income has been growing with each year. i don't see a problem with hitting those numbers




your talking about my time vs support peoples time.

i teach because if questions come up, you can't really have they guy say i don't know i will have ask someone in the company.

when the support and hand holding stage comes around, that kind of statement is ok.

as they answer question, as the bank of faq answers get built up they ask us less and less.

that why i only teach one new module a year (it generates n! new potential revenue streams so that may slow in the future).









docs offer is an uphill battle even if he did it my way.

each building block can combine together with each other building blocks to create new revenue streams.

each one of revenue streams have to perfectly balanced in a nash equilibrium.

Now granted i know some that work already (because of testing) and i know some that logically should work (because of what i have learned during the teaching and refinement process) but there is a lot of work i need to do.

it was worth it, mainly because the membership stuff that could be learned if we work together could add new building blocks to teach (muscians don't have membership sites like you guys do so adapting them to their market would create new revenue streams)

but doc took those advantages away in his re-write of the deal.



the money offered is less than what i can get from any affiliate program i want at any time. with no agreement and no downside risk.

the upside is a tiny fraction of the upside i can currently get from what i am doing

and if i hit critical mass, i will have valid publishable stats, which means i can simply come here and say. Here the proof, do you want me to do the same thing for you.

what docs offering is not only less than what i am currently making
is not only less than i can get from any other affiliate program on the market
but money i can get in the future once my plans hit critical mass.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17343647)

Did I quote that part or bring it up? No..... why do you twist what was written? I was clearly talking about our deal, not what you said you would be doing in this thread.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343688)

so that the only solution i present, and now your saying you want me to prove that my solution works, without using my solution.

wow how exactly is that going to work.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343688)

so why try and exclude it from your operational costs. (1 down)

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343688)

so you will transfer the copyright to all the content produced to me so i can legally do this.

as well as hand over all the customer information so i know what accounts to create

your really trusting me if that the case since i could simple say sucker and walk away with a bunch of free content.

only the copyright holder can setup a tracker properly that the point. that why i said it was your operational cost to do it.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343688)

so obviously ther would be no work to do on this if i fail to show you how to do it.

The only way there is operational work for you to maintain is if i can do "impossible"

again why avoid the operational cost then.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343688)

live interaction doesn't have to be a million dollar setup

ibangpornstars.com has a style that would work too as a base, that one computer, and a chat happening while the girl is there doing the shoot.

if combined with bought services (voyeurdorm etc) that should be enough.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343688)

but you said i was responsible for all sales, so there would be nothing else.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 17343650)

So then let me ask you this: Why are you here? Most of the people on this board think you are full of shit. Most of the people on this board think you are nothing more than an self-entitled downloader who feels he should have access to any content he wants any time he wants without paying for it. Most people hear think your techniques haven't made you anything more than beer money. So why waste your time?

I could understand it if you were here trying to sell your service. But you aren't. I could understand you wanting to make a point by showing proof, but you never have shown any proof. But what makes me wonder the most is this: If you really have discovered what you say you have and it is so valuable you are willing to turn away from a deal that could make you millions why are you here talking about different parts of it?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17343700)

Yours isn't a solution, it's an idea that has already been done. You said your efforts could produce a 100 sales a day... that isn't true.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343709)

i learn something from every experience
for example i added the "i can't use it money back guarrentee" to our offer and it increased signups significantly (and so far no one has ever taken up the offer yet) because of the back and forth with robbie.




the cost of doing the same research would be astronomically high so i doubt that would happen.







i learn something from everything here (see above)



because he goaded me into making the offer and i am now honor bound to do it if he accepts. I am only giving away 5 of 543 building blocks so i still have stuff to sell.



think about for a second the safe harbor provision give total immunity as long as you obey VALID take down request

one of the conditions of a valid take down request is a declaration of a good faith belief of infringement under penalty of perjury.

if he was to agree, then i could simply ignore any take down request he make to me, and still be 100% protected by simply pointing the post he agreed to public domain status and demanding an explaination why he has a good faith belief that public domain content is an infringement.






given the conditions (cost of research. fair use friendly liciencing) gfy is a canary in the coal mine. when people start agreeing with me, that when stuff i am talking about might start to be at risk. of course it only 5 out 543 blocks so it not really a big deal if that does happen.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17343734)

More bullshit... nobody said it was normal, it has been made clear it's not normal, it's very clear not everyone could do it, clearly something that will make us a couple million bucks each is not normal or everyone would be 4-5 million a year, if it was normal.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343798)

everything i teach is a multiplier effect, it turns the negative of piracy into a positive that all.

you guys kept complaining that the ratio/sales are in the toliet, i simply said if you exploited the torrents in those 5 ways things would go back to the original ratio.

i have no idea what is normal sales for a paysite. your the one who said that anything less than 100 sales a day would not be worth the time.

i was surprised that would be your floor, but i accepted it it your expertise i will be leveraging.

if that is a normal level of sales, then i don't see it being hard to do that using those techniques

if it not then obviously i am going to have a hard time doing it.

So are you saying you stacked the deck against me just to see me fail.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 17343851)

It is very simple. Ratios can vary from 1:100 with good traffic up to 1:xx,xxx with bad. If you can supply quality traffic to the site that converts at 1:200 then you would need to send around 20K uniques per day. So whatever it takes to get 20,000 people to the site each day is what you would need to do. Obviously, you would have to adjust that number depending on the quality of the traffic.

He said 100 sales per day not because it is the average, but because that was the minimum he would accept to get involved in this project. He isn't going to go to the expense and time to build a site and get everything set up only to have you send 3 joins per day.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343878)

i understand that but what i teach creates a multiplier effect if a musician is currently making 10k a year from their music before, they have a base of sales, what i teach will allow them to make a little over 40k.

it a lot harder to do it if your starting from zero.

that why i prefer working from a base, and prefer doing the thing i am doing.

if the normal level is a 100 for doc, and i can leverage his expertise (just like i leverage the musicians) that i can do the same thing here.

Basically i would have to buy the base of 20/sales.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343878)

i understand that but what i teach creates a multiplier effect if a musician is currently making 10k a year from their music before, they have a base of sales, what i teach will allow them to make a little over 40k.

it a lot harder to do it if your starting from zero.

that why i prefer working from a base, and prefer doing the thing i am doing.

if the normal level is a 100 for doc, and i can leverage his expertise (just like i leverage the musicians) that i can do the same thing here.

Basically i would have to buy the base of 20/sales.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17343798)

everything i teach is a multiplier effect, it turns the negative of piracy into a positive that all.

you guys kept complaining that the ratio/sales are in the toliet, i simply said if you exploited the torrents in those 5 ways things would go back to the original ratio.

i have no idea what is normal sales for a paysite. your the one who said that anything less than 100 sales a day would not be worth the time.

i was surprised that would be your floor, but i accepted it it your expertise i will be leveraging.

if that is a normal level of sales, then i don't see it being hard to do that using those techniques

if it not then obviously i am going to have a hard time doing it.

So are you saying you stacked the deck against me just to see me fail.






what are you talking about
itvx q-ratio is one of the most widely recognized metric for determining the value of a product placement.



it the one we use because it covers all the relevent points we deal with.

what metric do you use, provide a link i will re-evaluate base on that metric if you want.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17344067)

More bullshit on top of bullshit. As stated, Piracy sales/traffic isn't anything new to me. You have no idea what volume of sales torrents can produce for any Industry.

Your mouth makes it sound as if you want to compare what you do to what we do, "we" produce sales. We being people like myself, Robbie, kane and lots of others that have actually make money, made millions yearly from the sales produced daily, from what was created from scratch, from what we actually know and have done.

That's the point, we aren't pretending to know what we do, because we actually do it every day.

Hahaha, itvx q-ratio, you sure think highly of our Industry - that sure is nice of ya. I hate repeating myself, but again.. ratios mean nothing when they won't advertise in porn - that's before them laughing at our viewing numbers.

You can stop pretending you have a clue now, we all know you don't. Now you're just being laughed at...

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17344263)

you said you did product placement somewhere else.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17344263)

so if you didn't use q-ratio as the metric what did you use, and what were the values. i will re-evaluate based on whatever metric you used.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17344297)

WTF, how in hell did you get this statement out of what I wrote?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17343700)

You would need to get the clients to do product placement. Being that we have done it before, it won't be anything new to us.

What would be new is people that are willing to do it with a porn company and it being worth our while as a business, which isn't the case.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17344420)

in post 254 on this page you said (in response to my product placement statement)



i didn't change your quote you said "we have done it before"

you just got caught in a bald face lie, what is worse it a lie from this page alone.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17344420)

that the differnence while i suspect you have never done product placement properly, i don't know, that why i asked for metrics for the product placement "we have done ... before"

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17344420)

that the exact opposite way product placements industry works. the product placement is written in, the metric is generated on the placeholder, and THEN sold to potential companies.

have you ever thought that reason you can't get it to work is that your doing it "bass ackwards".

statements like this make me suspect you haven't done product placement at all (not in mainstream either) since any competent advertiser would have asked for the metrics.

but again i give you the benefit of the doubt and simply ask for the product placement "have done ... before"

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17344420)

and i am still waiting for the answers to my questions.

you have been caught in the lie(on this page no less), game theory says you should go first.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17344464)

We're talking about #266, here is you reply #267

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17344792)

which included your word for word claim you did it before





if you have done product placement successfully before
and it didn't work in porn, then the only place you could have done it successfully was in mainstream.

that why i said








you claimed you have done product placement


now your claiming you can't do product placement.

your making no sense.

so what exactly was the product placement you did successfully.







so why would you be so stupid as to try and get mainstream product placement instead.

i don't understand why you don't get it. why you keep arguing product placement won't work in porn.


btw your spending a hell of a lot of time dodging the question

what was the product placement you claimed you have done before.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17344792)

which included your word for word claim you did it before

if you have done product placement successfully before
and it didn't work in porn, then the only place you could have done it successfully was in mainstream.

that why i said

you claimed you have done product placement

now your claiming you can't do product placement.

your making no sense.

so what exactly was the product placement you did successfully.

so why would you be so stupid as to try and get mainstream product placement instead.

i don't understand why you don't get it. why you keep arguing product placement won't work in porn.

btw your spending a hell of a lot of time dodging the question

what was the product placement you claimed you have done before.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 17344889)

Forget product placement. Hell, forget this deal as a whole, it clearly isn't going to happen now. Just show us the email you claim to have sent to Doc. You have been asked to show the screenshot of it several times, yet you still haven't done it. If you can't deliver on that little claim, what makes anyone think you can deliver on anything you claim?

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17344892)

This doesn't look like proof of any emails sent to me, or that you do any business at all.. are you trying to twist the post, again?

No reason for us to discuss the details of the deal (lets put it on hold) until you can prove you have an ounce of honestly in your bones.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 17344897)

He doesn't. So the deal is off. Can a mod please ban his ass already? He doesn't meet the criteria of being in this business in any way at all.

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 17344892)

This doesn't look like proof of any emails sent to me, or that you do any business at all.. are you trying to twist the post, again?

No reason for us to discuss the details of the deal (lets put it on hold) until you can prove you have an ounce of honestly in your bones.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17345053)

so just to be clear, if i do this the deal happens exactly like i said it should, if you back out all your content goes into the public domain.

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 17345053)

so just to be clear, if i do this the deal happens exactly like i said it should, if you back out all your content goes into the public domain.