Exactly my thoughts..:2 cents:

Or just say it was really your brother. Rogue brother alert!:1orglaugh

True, but he's already taken the money - just isn't running. But he's doing more damage with his false accusations and defamatory comments.

I hear ya man, just thought it would have been nice to get some of the cash back after getting screwed over. I know he didn't specifiy an amount, so he might have been just planning to send back a hundred bucks and mess with you. I've seen it time and time again on gfy, in a business transaction one party doesn't like how the other acts or something they say and they suddenly feel like its their right to then not complete the services agreed upon and just keep the money.

Not sure why you think that. You should take everything pr0 / William's says with a grain of salt. He's just stuck continuing to try to save face from starting all of his lies. He has to keep perpetuating them.

Yeap, had it happen to me a couple times years back. I had one douche I bought traffic from not deliver for weeks, kept making excuses, I kept being nice and giving him more time. After 3 months of excuses, I gave him the " look I am tired of the fucking promises, either start sending the traffic by Friday or send me my money back, I'm tired of waiting" type response. Which he then replied back, if you going to curse me and threaten me then I am not going to work with you and I will not be giving you a refund.

It's like they wait for you to get mad and then try to justify keeping the money because you... got mad. Wow go figure, someone got mad that they paid for services that weren't delivered and all they got in return was loads of bullshit.

2 grand shouldn't be nothing to the ceo of seo.

Pretty fucked up some one keeping your money for some dumbshit reason and not delivering what was agreed upon. Nothing short of theft.

I expected better out of one of the 'big timers' here. Fear not Nysus, these actions will come full circle. Looks like self-destruct mode is already initiated, so it won't be long.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why? Because you're a friend of his, and support him, and get off on this kind of stuff (more so privately)?

You don't think the people that know he's fucked someone over, and treated them how he's treated me won't have an affect? This is how he reacts and treats someone because his employee didn't do the work, and then he didn't get it done for a month past the deadline (and it was very well-known beforehand the deadline was very important, and he reassured me about it).

Oh, and he threatened me if I posted on the boards (even though to try to comfort my fears of being fucked over in the past by others, he used his reputation / put it on the table saying I could just post on GFY if he fucked me over --- which now in his list of requests he tries to use against me, him trying to say that because I questioned his non-disclosure agreement that I'm "crazy psycho"). How fucked up is that?

I don't know how he can read all of this, and be okay with it.

And don't forget the $5,000 someone else paid him a year ago, and never did the work for (- a person wanting to stay anonymous for now private messaged me about that - pr0 hasn't denied it).

The more these threads continue, the more people find out. And no, you can't track the numbers - but trying to comfort yourself by assuming it has no affect is ridiculous and you're just fooling yourself.

Ya! Giving him work sounds like a great business decision! Maybe if you're political party looking for a superb propagandist who doesn't think about or care about the implications of their actions or behaviour...

Thanks for your words of support. I do actually need the money back. I had to stop the project and sell off the two main sites already because of him not doing the work. I lost money from hosting I paid for for the project as well (~$900 and the hosting company gave me some free months when I explained that the guy I hired - pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets - didn't do the work I paid him for). There have been other costs too.

I just need the money back now. The pathetic part is he mocks me now for needing the money, even though he requested money for his own health issues years ago on GFY and accepted the kindness and generosity of others from here.. and then he treats someone like this.

Unlike you, marco, eastwood...whatever nick you use next. It's pretty common knowledge that Fris and his Brother are two different people.

Why would it get closed??

Exactly how this situation happened.

He owes me $2,000 - but he cost me a lot more than that. I couldn't hire someone else to do the work because he had my money, and I also lost nearly $1,000 for hosting costs. He totally fucked me over and now he just plays games pretending no one is noticing or that no one cares. Baffles me. Just give me back the $2,000, pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets.

Wasn't pro balling out with his screenshots of 2-3k a day? Or was that all bullshit?

his screenshots always came from sites his best buddies owned.

From my understanding they were Loadedcash screenshots that he claimed were his; LoadedCash from AJ concurred......

So my belief is he was bullshitting.

He's a great manipulator / liar. But what he says now has become so ridiculous.

Yea, it's weird how people get a little money and turn into a different person.

It doesn't seem like he became a different person, he just stopped needing hide this horrible side of himself. *2 cents*

pr0 hasn't replied directly to anything on this thread now either. He's gone back into hiding. Coward. Own up to the fact you owe me $2,000.

NOTE: Everything I say can be backed up with logs / emails. William / Pr0 is however outright lying about everything related to the work I paid him for - and didn't receive. Everything else by him is exaggerated, irrelevant and ridiculous - and he still continues to attack me and play games. I just want him to give my $2,000 back.

Here are my replies to pr0's / William's list of requests which are outright lies or just plain ridiculous:

I admit, my final email to your employee - I said 'fuck' in it. My sentences were aggressive because I was angry - but there were no threats in it. You're just trying to save face by trying to make me look bad.


Outright lie. I repeatedly said it was only a possibility that if a good job was done then I'd want someone to continue to run them, and then I'd offer a % of advertising to continue running it.

Stop trying to make me look bad with lies. It's defamation. You're now going beyond personal attacks, and attacking my character.

It was well-known to you beforehand that it was an option to either sell, or if it was profitable soon enough I'd think about keeping it - which makes sense then for maybe then wanting to keep your guy on for a %, no?


I'll admit I mentioned a monetary figure to an employee of yours - that wasn't breaking the non-disclosure though, sorry. Your posting the monetary figure publicly on GFY and then other details was though.

Yes - I questioned a non-disclosure agreement from you. You wanted me to sign a document basically saying I couldn't do anything I might have learned from you. I've been doing SEO a long time and I had 140 gay domains, various keywords, etc. that I was hiring you to develop into a proper network because I had some preconceptions that you could get the work done. And the only reason I sent you money was because what you had said you would do is nearly exactly what I had wanted done. Ridiculous of you to bring that point up.

I read over your contract, yes, because I had been taken advantage of / fucked over before in the past, yes. I will admit to that. Who wouldn't do that? Are you listening to yourself?




No risk situation? What? Why should there be risk when I'm hiring a company to do work for me?

"acceptable speed of completion"? The agreed upon deadline wasn't met. I don't care that YOU put a date further ahead than we agreed in the contract (which I assumed was correct). Not even 5% of the work was completed by the time I asked for my money back (at least a month after the deadline date).

Taking out my full brunt of my anger on you publicly - that was my plan? Really? It was at least 1 month after the agreed upon deadline that I posted on the boards to ask for my money back. I'm not sure how that equates to taking out my full brunt of anger on you publicly. I've just been posting facts about why you owe me $2,000 - how you fucked me over, and having to respond to all of your attempts to defame me.

The more and more you trick yourself, the more irritated you're going to make yourself. You're putting yourself into a corner in your thoughts giving yourself less and less space to navigate. You need to let go, acknowledge the situation - the work wasn't done, and return my money for work not completed. It's as simple as that. But you're still probably running on a defensive mode, you can't let go - so much for your yoga and meditation practice, eh? You forgot the whole part of non-violence and be kind to others (and yourself) too.

I've heard lots of things about you since posting this from private messages. Where you setup a work place in Europe, specific town even. And other things from other people - but I've not used them or attacked you with them. I could have attempted to tarnish your reputation with hearsay, but I haven't. I could have made up and lied, but I haven't. You've done all of that though, and more. You're a very bad person IMHO and anyone with a conscience shouldn't support you.

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Originally Posted by pr0 (Post 17294071) Therefor I intend to bring to light....that he expected failure from the start, jumped the gun, & created the EXACT situation he had experienced before, of multiple companies starting work & not finishing it. No doubt directly linked to him quickly losing his temper & verbally assaulting/degrading an employee/manager at the first moment he felt things were not progressing to his liking.

Wow! Verbally assaulting and degrading an employee? That's quite an accusation and a lie. I'm going to ask Eric for you to post proof of that one otherwise have you ban, and then you'll have to change your nickname. And then all the other 40+ people who have been following this and will be on GFY will figure out who you are, because they hate people like you. Social media tools make it easy to keep track of people and their businesses too.

And by things not progressing to my liking and quickly losing temper, do you mean the email I sent 4 days after the deadline past? You're just making this so ridiculous and convoluted with lies and exaggerations. Good job with that though.


I already apologized as was requested by Eric.

Extortion? This is the social web, and you, and your company were paid $2,000 and didn't do the work. If you don't want people posting negative TRUE things about you or your company, then don't fuck them over.

The best you can do right now is give me the money back, and then you can tell people you paid me back, and I will tell people that you did.


What would "personal favors" have anything to do with this? I hired you to do services, and you didn't do them. It's as simple as that.

HOURS of free consulting? You were telling me what work you'd do on the gay network if I hired you, and definitely not even an hour. That's not free consulting. Get real.

Also, "freebies" are a good way to build trust with a potential client, so that's primarily why you were doing it - stop trying to pass it off as otherwise. And you're not telling people anything they can't just read on SEO sites online.

Free hosting for my entire network?? It took 2 or 3 months from when you first offered some IPs before anything happened - and it was for maybe 16 domains - and all you did was sent a request to have an FTP account created and assign domains to IPs. What's that have to do with you being paid $2,000 and Not doing the work? Give me back my money for the work you didn't do.

You gave ideas for Owned.com? You were telling me common sense ideas you had + you were trying to get in on it. That's irrelevant. You fucked me over. Give my $2,000 back.

Stop directing your misplaced anger into writing more ridiculous things.

Just give me back my $2,000 already.

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You're pathetic, William - and anyone becoming aware of these posts will see that.

I don't want an apology from you - it's absolutely WORTHLESS because of your threats, the multiple outright lies and constant personal attacks. An apology wouldn't vindicate you either. You're just good at propaganda and manipulating people.

Just give my $2,000 back, and you can drop all of this stress.

This is business. Stop trying to play it off otherwise. You were paid $2,000 to do work - you didn't do the work.

I don't have the money to sue you right now - hence why I want the $2,000 back from you. You're not legally in the right - I'm sure you Believe you might have one with your thought that I broke the non-disclosure agreement, but if I did, then what you did in comparison is far worse. You don't think a judge would take a look at everything else you've said, and the defamation? You're delusional if you think not.

Lastly, you said you're performing a monetary transfer. Are you returning my $2,000 because I'm in need of it now, and pretty desperately?

I'm glad I don't have health issues and that I live in Canada, otherwise I'd feel more open to posting on GFY to ask the kind-hearted people on here for money, like you had - I'm sure if they saw how you've treated me though they wouldn't have given you a dime.

You'd think you'd treat others kindly after so many kind people donated money to you. *5 cents*

Luckily, that's just money I need back for basic living, not my health - I'm not ashamed to say it either - I'm sure you'll feel free to attack me on that point too.

Wow what a little bitch. Is that why he doesnt post here? or is he too busy seoing the fry machine at his burgerking job?

Nysus, I hate to say this, but the amount of time you've spent trying to get your $2k back you could have spent making $10k. If you haven't seen yet that regardless of how much pressure you put on him that you're not getting your money back, then you're completely naive.

It's not like your messages are hitting any new people here either...not like someone's going to go "oh gosh, I didn't see in the past year that pr0 didn't refund Nysus' money after not completing the work, I better avoid that guy!". At this point, you're like a republican telling other republicans that Iran is evil. I'm not saying you shouldn't get the money back, but you have to have better use of your time by now.

I was once scammed out of a domain very similar to 2 others that I sold soon thereafter for $1,750 each. Rather than spending countless hours, days, weeks, months trying to track down the guy and get my money back or pester him until I got it back or whatever, I instead made the realization that names of that caliber should always be handled through escrow or an irreversible form of payment unless I personally know the buyer or have dealt with them before, and moved on with lesson learned and continued making money.

Maybe one day you'll stop and realize that it's simply not worth it and that you yourself have caused more damage to your cash flow by wasting so much time trying to get money back that you're never going to get than the $2,000 that's gone forever.

Well it only takes a few mins to come here and bump a thread warning people not to do biz with this e-clown so i think all is no lost. :2 cents:

Warning who? The people that have seen the 2,000 other bumps? Or the bro friends that have also seen the other 2,000 bumps?

Hell, he even indicated he doesn't have the money to sue. Why not spend the time to make the money to then sue him with vs. continually running towards a mirage?

At MOST, he may turn a handful of new people here who might be serious board people away every month. But heck, away from WHAT? Pr0 hasn't even been posting here much if at all for months (look at the thread title)! Who's he going to do business with? So even from a "you'll fuck me I'll screw your reputation to fuck you back" standpoint, he's probably barely doing any damage.

PornMD -

You're assuming that I'm not being productive. Putting money I make towards filing a lawsuit isn't worth my time right now - doesn't mean posting on message board isn't worth my time though.

My messages have hit new people.

Also, the threads exist now. The responses exist and very little effort will be needed if pr0 / William does resurface as himself or some other nickname.

And if I ever do decide I will sue him including for defamation, and for other losses (and I have attempted to mitigate the damages).

This also isn't a malicious attempt to screw his reputation. He himself as part of our agreement to gain my trust said if he fucked me over I could post.

Overall I'm in a better position with having posted threads - than having not posted at all.

I do genuinely appreciate your messages and understand what you're saying. There is a fine-line between wasted time and not - it's fairly individual too as to what someone values and where they decide to put their time.

Now some business: Let me know if you want to broker a bunch of good domains that are similar caliber as the ones you listed. Most are gay domains so not competing with yours. :)

I'm not sure what he's doing. Hopefully making money to give back the $2,000.

Funny how much time this had taken up.

Who thinks he'll man up and send me any money back?

Maybe he is busy trying to make enough to repay you? :winkwink:

im pretty sure he has already told you that you wont be seeing any $$$$ :2 cents::2 cents:

maybe you should pay Nysus since you seem to be in love with pr0 anyway

After over a year?

This is called "ass kissing"

Yeah, they're quite publicly supportive of eachother. Makes me wonder how sandman! treats people in general.

I meant to say "how much time has gone by" - had a long busy day yesterday. :)

However, these threads and William's character will exist in its current light until he owns up making a mistake and returning my money.

sandman is a cheap ass mofo he wont even deny about that im sure. probably the cheapest person i have ever dealt with.

Actually, he admitted on GFY to not doing the work and offered to pay me $1,000 of it back originally.

I'm sure he's dishonest/lies and tells everyone else differently than what happened.

I'd take the $1,000 loss if he offered again.

you can blow me.