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  • biskoppen
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    • Mar 2003
    • 5809
    #1

    9/11, what is the official explantion for the molten steel found in all 3 buildings?

    9/11, what is the official explantion for the molten steel found in all 3 buildings?

    The conspiracy guys and their "experts" says that no normal fire could have done it, and the most likely explanation is the socalled nanothermite found on site did it.
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    • Minte
      Babemeister
      • Jun 2001
      • 7081
      #2
      It was the foundry on the 11th floor. They were using illegals so they have kept it very quiet.
      You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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        • Platinumpimp
          Logos and such.
          • Jan 2004
          • 10214
          #3
          Yawn this story is old, welcome to 2002?
          I design logo's.

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            • biskoppen
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              • Mar 2003
              • 5809
              #4
              Originally posted by Platinumpimp
              Yawn this story is old, welcome to 2002?
              The nanothermite deal defintly isnt 2002
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                • Agent 488
                  Registered User
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 22511
                  #5
                  "NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

                  Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."

                  http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm

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                    • PornoStar69
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                      • Oct 2008
                      • 2071
                      #6
                      Number 1 rule about FIGHT CLUB

                      You dont talk about Fight Club
                      GFY King?

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                        • PornoStar69
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                          • Oct 2008
                          • 2071
                          #7
                          False Flag terrorism

                          Operation Northwoods

                          google it & READ

                          dont let the Gov fool YA

                          or even try to school ya

                          we got a mind of our own
                          GFY King?

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                            • BlackCrayon
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 19634
                              #8
                              id say its awful strange that thebuildings just imploded rather than fall over which would be the norm.
                              you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

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                                • Tempest
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • May 2004
                                  • 10217
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by biskoppen
                                  9/11, what is the official explantion for the molten steel found in all 3 buildings?

                                  The conspiracy guys and their "experts" says that no normal fire could have done it, and the most likely explanation is the socalled nanothermite found on site did it.
                                  I saw an experiment where they applied burning jet fuel to a steel beam.. Within just a few minutes (far, far less than what would have happened in the building) and at a temperature that would have been the same as what occured, the beam had actually softened etc. to the point it collapsed.. If they had continued the experiment I have no doubt it would have begun to "melt" as well.

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                                    • CaptainHowdy
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                                      • Dec 2004
                                      • 94151
                                      #10
                                      Just passing by... this threads are popular.

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                                        • PornoStar69
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                                          • Oct 2008
                                          • 2071
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Tempest
                                          I saw an experiment where they applied burning jet fuel to a steel beam.. Within just a few minutes (far, far less than what would have happened in the building) and at a temperature that would have been the same as what occured, the beam had actually softened etc. to the point it collapsed.. If they had continued the experiment I have no doubt it would have begun to "melt" as well.

                                          Youtube search ''WTC FLASHES''

                                          Explain THOSE FLASHES when the wtc collaspes

                                          LOL LOL
                                          GFY King?

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                                            • Amputate Your Head
                                              There can be only one
                                              • Aug 2001
                                              • 39075
                                              #12
                                              our government pulled off a false flag.

                                              simple as that.
                                              SIG TOO BIG

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                                                • wehateporn
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                                                  Looks like too many people are starting to realize what went on, they'll need to start increasing the levels of fluoride in the drinking water to get things back to normal or perhaps send 'The Truthers' to the FEMA camps

                                                  As for the Official story, if there was something that gave the game away e.g. Building 7, then they just wouldn't bother 'investigating' it or talking about it.

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                                                    • Tempest
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • May 2004
                                                      • 10217
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by PornoStar69
                                                      Youtube search ''WTC FLASHES''

                                                      Explain THOSE FLASHES when the wtc collaspes

                                                      LOL LOL
                                                      Explain them to me... You can't.. Cause the conspiracy people can't prove in any way that this was a controlled explosion since the technology they say would have been used is all theory and they have no way to prove their claims.. It's been shown time and time again that there's no way anyone could have installed demolition material that would have been required in the building in the time frames they say... I also saw a thermite test that showed that it would not have melted steel beams etc... So what do the conspiracy people day? Oh.. well it's a different type of theoretical thermite that no one except maybe the military can actually get their hands on, if it exists.

                                                      I'm sorry, but there has never been anything that can be compared to what happened on 911 and so in the end, no one can really say what was going on in there. There was so much "stuff" in those building that isn't in a demolished building that we have no idea how it would have reacted to the fires, internal preasure etc. etc. etc.

                                                      But carry on with you're beliefs.

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                                                        • WarChild
                                                          Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                          • 17263
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                                          id say its awful strange that thebuildings just imploded rather than fall over which would be the norm.
                                                          Whoa hold on a second here. Why woul it be the "norm"? What would make it fall sideways?

                                                          Newton's first law of motions tats that every body remains in a state of rest or uniform motion (constant velocity) unless it is acted upon by an external unbalanced force. This means that in the absence of a non-zero net force, the center of mass of a body either remains at rest, or moves at a constant speed in a straight line.

                                                          The predominate force acting on the buildings when they fell was gravity. What force would cause the buildings to fall to the side?
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                                                            • wehateporn
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Tempest
                                                              Explain them to me... You can't.. Cause the conspiracy people can't prove in any way that this was a controlled explosion since the technology they say would have been used is all theory and they have no way to prove their claims.. It's been shown time and time again that there's no way anyone could have installed demolition material that would have been required in the building in the time frames they say... I also saw a thermite test that showed that it would not have melted steel beams etc... So what do the conspiracy people day? Oh.. well it's a different type of theoretical thermite that no one except maybe the military can actually get their hands on, if it exists.

                                                              I'm sorry, but there has never been anything that can be compared to what happened on 911 and so in the end, no one can really say what was going on in there. There was so much "stuff" in those building that isn't in a demolished building that we have no idea how it would have reacted to the fires, internal preasure etc. etc. etc.

                                                              But carry on with you're beliefs.
                                                              WOW, there are still people about who believe the official story, I had no idea! Oh well, the debate goes on
                                                              Last edited by wehateporn; 11-27-2010, 03:46 PM.

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                                                                • Kiopa_Matt
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                                                                  • Oct 2007
                                                                  • 1448
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Ohhh, come on, get over it and accept the official version.

                                                                  Terrorists from caves in Afghanistan armed with box cutters, managed to circumvent NORAD, took over three planes (with box cutters only -- these were skilled terrorists), and without much flying experience pulled off some amazing aerial maneuvers that impress even highly skilled air force pilots.

                                                                  While hijacking the planes, the heavily armed terrorists with their box cutters used their super-ninja skills, and managed to take over the cockpits before the pilots could even call in a quick mayday. Because we all know otherwise, NORAD would have been in the air to save the day!

                                                                  With military precision, they crashed two of the planes into the WTC, subsequently bringing both towers down in an implosion that impressed most demolition experts. These box cutting weilding terrorists were so good, they even manged to bring down another tower blocks away, in the same expert implosion style, without even hitting it. Now that's some skill right there!

                                                                  That's how it happened, and don't ask any questions! If you do, people will get all flustered, start chanting "USA! USA! USA!", and scold you for being a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, while they continue on with their merry lives.
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                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                      • 68186
                                                                      #18
                                                                      anybody with a brain knows that the molten metal is leftover nano-thermite from all the ceiling tile bombs. it's common knowledge that buildings collapse straight down with the nano-thermite generated ignition, on account of the high rise professional demolition experts.

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                                                                        • wehateporn
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Kiopa_Matt
                                                                          Ohhh, come on, get over it and accept the official version.

                                                                          Terrorists from caves in Afghanistan armed with box cutters, managed to circumvent NORAD, took over three planes (with box cutters only -- these were skilled terrorists), and without much flying experience pulled off some amazing aerial maneuvers that impress even highly skilled air force pilots.

                                                                          While hijacking the planes, the heavily armed terrorists with their box cutters used their super-ninja skills, and managed to take over the cockpits before the pilots could even call in a quick mayday. Because we all know otherwise, NORAD would have been in the air to save the day!

                                                                          With military precision, they crashed two of the planes into the WTC, subsequently bringing both towers down in an implosion that impressed most demolition experts. These box cutting weilding terrorists were so good, they even manged to bring down another tower blocks away, in the same expert implosion style, without even hitting it. Now that's some skill right there!

                                                                          That's how it happened, and don't ask any questions! If you do, people will get all flustered, start chanting "USA! USA! USA!", and scold you for being a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, while they continue on with their merry lives.
                                                                          Well said, the people who still believe the official story are like loyal football fans. It's a bit like me when my brother used to start a fight with a random (he used to do things like that) and I would have to come in and rescue him out of family loyalty
                                                                          Last edited by wehateporn; 11-27-2010, 03:54 PM.

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                                                                            • u-Bob
                                                                              there's no $$$ in porn
                                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                                              • 33063
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Kiopa_Matt
                                                                              Ohhh, come on, get over it and accept the official version.

                                                                              Terrorists from caves in Afghanistan armed with box cutters, managed to circumvent NORAD, took over three planes (with box cutters only -- these were skilled terrorists), and without much flying experience pulled off some amazing aerial maneuvers that impress even highly skilled air force pilots.

                                                                              While hijacking the planes, the heavily armed terrorists with their box cutters used their super-ninja skills, and managed to take over the cockpits before the pilots could even call in a quick mayday. Because we all know otherwise, NORAD would have been in the air to save the day!

                                                                              With military precision, they crashed two of the planes into the WTC, subsequently bringing both towers down in an implosion that impressed most demolition experts. These box cutting weilding terrorists were so good, they even manged to bring down another tower blocks away, in the same expert implosion style, without even hitting it. Now that's some skill right there!

                                                                              That's how it happened, and don't ask any questions! If you do, people will get all flustered, start chanting "USA! USA! USA!", and scold you for being a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, while they continue on with their merry lives.
                                                                              Let's not forget that some of them actually rose from the grave!

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                                                                                • wehateporn
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                                                                                  • Apr 2007
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                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by u-Bob
                                                                                  Let's not forget that some of them actually rose from the grave!
                                                                                  That's quite normal in that neck of the woods

                                                                                  http://www.disclose.tv/forum/walking...ia-t31647.html

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                                                                                    • Tempest
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                      • 10217
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                                                      WOW, there are still people about who believe the official story, I had no idea! Oh well, the debate goes on
                                                                                      I only believe what can be proved behind a shadow of a doubt.. Since the conspiracy people can't prove anything, I lean towards the "official" explanations. Notice I said "lean towards". I've seen more experiments done and explanations by professionals that make the official story seem pausable than anything by the conspiracy people. I've also seen the conspiracy people change their tune all the time.. How many versions of their movie have now been made by those 3 young guys? Each time removing so called "truths" and making what they say more and more ambiguous. But then the core conspiracy people have an agenda of making money from what they preach so.. yeah..

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                                                                                        • wehateporn
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                          I only believe what can be proved behind a shadow of a doubt.. Since the conspiracy people can't prove anything, I lean towards the "official" explanations. Notice I said "lean towards". I've seen more experiments done and explanations by professionals that make the official story seem pausable than anything by the conspiracy people. I've also seen the conspiracy people change their tune all the time.. How many versions of their movie have now been made by those 3 young guys? Each time removing so called "truths" and making what they say more and more ambiguous. But then the core conspiracy people have an agenda of making money from what they preach so.. yeah..
                                                                                          There are some things that are hard to prove conclusively one way or the other like you say, especially when no one would dare to admit to it. I imagine one day they will have to change the story on 9/11, but they will probably have to wait until most of the people involved are dead to come out with the real story or as close as they dare to get

                                                                                          They seem to like governing the people with myth these days, like with the Swine Flu/Fertility Reduction Program. They would love to take away the power of the Western democracies so as we can't interfere with their plans for the world, but for now they can use Myth to get their way

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                                                                                            • WarChild
                                                                                              Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                                              • 17263
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Some of you are so slow it really does make me sad.

                                                                                              Nobody here is saying that the "official version" is 100% accurate. However, the body of evidence more closely backs this explanation than it does any of the existing "truther" theories.

                                                                                              Much of what happened has been explained. Much of the motiviations, planning, participants, et all may not be. That is to say we can be sure planes did in fact hit the towers (and Pentagon you morons) and the towers fell. Who knew what, when or may or may not have been involved in the planning we don't know. Is it POSSIBLE that the US government knew more and did nothing? Absolutely. It's also possible that yes it was an act commited by agents of the US government. I don't think it's likely, but it damn sure is a possibility however remote. If you want to ask questions and dig at motivations in this arena, I don't think anyone would label you as being crazy.

                                                                                              It's a little bit illogical to discount a massive body of work explaining what happened, based on the available evidence, as simply being "part of the coverup". The NIST report was not compiled by government employees. It's a huge body of scientists. Simply saying they're all on the take is akin to saying "I know you are but what am I." to win an argument. It's compounded in to craziness when you're unwilling to accept a well supported theory but quick to conclude that "Hey I saw flashes, it must be explosives!". The only reason somebody jumps to that conclusion is because they started out with it. You're seeing what you want to and it's ridiculous.

                                                                                              What is bat-shit-crazy, however, is morons like Pornofan69 who not only believe this is the work of an international super secret society that dominate the entire World, but they also believe ridiculous things like these people left clues for us in movies like the Matrix. Absolutely absurd.
                                                                                              Last edited by WarChild; 11-27-2010, 04:11 PM.
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                                                                                                • Alky
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                                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                                  • 5651
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                  I saw an experiment where they applied burning jet fuel to a steel beam.. Within just a few minutes (far, far less than what would have happened in the building) and at a temperature that would have been the same as what occured, the beam had actually softened etc. to the point it collapsed.. If they had continued the experiment I have no doubt it would have begun to "melt" as well.
                                                                                                  So you saw experiments with both jet fuel and thermite, the thermite didnt melt the steel, but the jet fuel did?

                                                                                                  I'd love to see those videos.

                                                                                                  The steel in WTC was rated at something like 2000 C degrees.... jet fuel burns in OPEN AIR, less then 500 C, and according to wiki is at 287.5 C degrees. Mind you... that's OPEN AIR.

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                                                                                                    • DaddyHalbucks
                                                                                                      A freakin' legend!
                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                      • 18975
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Can I suggest... heat?
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                                                                                                        • Minte
                                                                                                          Babemeister
                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                          • 7081
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                          anybody with a brain knows that the molten metal is leftover nano-thermite from all the ceiling tile bombs. it's common knowledge that buildings collapse straight down with the nano-thermite generated ignition, on account of the high rise professional demolition experts.
                                                                                                          I call BS, it's well known that there were nearly 200 illegals working in the 11th floor foundry casting watch cases for fake rolex's
                                                                                                          You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

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                                                                                                            • Jim_Gunn
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                                                                                                              • Feb 2003
                                                                                                              • 5702
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              There's a whole generation of nitwits nowadays who think that they are so smart that they can see through the conspiracy in everything, including 9/11. These are same idiots who will say that every photo posted online is a Photoshop job, every videoclip is staged, every story is made up. They just want to seem cool and in-the-know when in reality they have no clue what they are talking about. In the particular case of the 9/11 attacks, I really don't understand why it is so hard to believe that a gigantic airplane loaded with jet fuel and traveling at hundreds of miles an hour to slam into a building was not sufficient to bring down a skyscraper.

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                                                                                                                • Tempest
                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                  • 10217
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Alky
                                                                                                                  So you saw experiments with both jet fuel and thermite, the thermite didnt melt the steel, but the jet fuel did?

                                                                                                                  I'd love to see those videos.

                                                                                                                  The steel in WTC was rated at something like 2000 C degrees.... jet fuel burns in OPEN AIR, less then 500 C, and according to wiki is at 287.5 C degrees. Mind you... that's OPEN AIR.
                                                                                                                  It was on TV around 9/11 this year.. Can't remember what the program was called but it had all these experts and guys doing experiments etc.. then it showed the results to the leading conspiracy guys and it was fun to watch them hum and haw and start to make unplausable excuses etc. It was funny.. They would sit there and say.. well this experiement didn't do x... but I have yet to see any experiments done by them to prove their theories.

                                                                                                                  The jet fuel burned a hell of a lot hotter than 500C in open air.. they were monitoring the temperature and it reached the levels that the official explanation said it would have inside the building. It only took something like 5-10 minutes for the steel beam to start to weaken and bend etc. Actually, I'm not sure how hot it got. Can't remember if they were displaying C or F..

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                                                                                                                    • Tempest
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • May 2004
                                                                                                                      • 10217
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Alky
                                                                                                                      So you saw experiments with both jet fuel and thermite, the thermite didnt melt the steel, but the jet fuel did?

                                                                                                                      I'd love to see those videos.
                                                                                                                      I think it was this show.. watched a few of them around that time

                                                                                                                      http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...acy-vs-science

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                                                                                                                        • WarChild
                                                                                                                          Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                          • 17263
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                                                                                          There's a whole generation of nitwits nowadays who think that they are so smart that they can see through the conspiracy in everything, including 9/11...


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                                                                                                                            • wehateporn
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                                                                                                                              Good point WarChild, that's why London 7/7 was done in the Underground, these guys learn from their mistakes

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                                                                                                                                • Amputate Your Head
                                                                                                                                  There can be only one
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 39075
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                                                                                                                  There's a whole generation of nitwits nowadays...
                                                                                                                                  there is also a whole generation of sheep willing to buy into any bullshit half-baked story the government feeds them, plausible or not, because it's easier than thinking for themselves.
                                                                                                                                  SIG TOO BIG

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                                                                                                                                    • WarChild
                                                                                                                                      Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                      • 17263
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Bill Clinton can't keep a blowjob, an act presumably involving only two people, quiet. The US Goverment can't keep their confidential documents from being posted for the World to see on Wikileaks. Yet it's reasonable to assume that all of the people that would have been required to pull off such a massive plan would and do remain absolutely quiet. Excellent critical thinking.




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                                                                                                                                        • Tempest
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 10217
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                                                                                                                          there is also a whole generation of sheep willing to buy into any bullshit half-baked story the government feeds them, plausible or not, because it's easier than thinking for themselves.
                                                                                                                                          There's no "new generation" of anything.. It's always been this way and always will be.. There's the sheep, the conspiracy people, those that don't care one way or the other and then those that have an open mind without preconceived notions that look at all the information, weigh it and then, maybe, make up their mind about something.

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                                                                                                                                            • wehateporn
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                                                              Bill Clinton can't keep a blowjob, an act presumably involving only two people, quiet. The US Goverment can't keep their confidential documents from being posted for the World to see on Wikileaks. Yet it's reasonable to assume that all of the people that would have been required to pull off such a massive plan would and do remain absolutely quiet. Excellent critical thinking.
                                                                                                                                              This film director was a former friend of Nick Rockefeller, it would seem like people in these elite circles know exactly what's going on and talk freely, but it would be suicidal to go to the media. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSii-xWoyKM

                                                                                                                                              Aaron Russon RIP

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                                                                                                                                                • Ron Bennett
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by biskoppen
                                                                                                                                                  9/11, what is the official explantion for the molten steel found in all 3 buildings?

                                                                                                                                                  The conspiracy guys and their "experts" says that no normal fire could have done it, and the most likely explanation is the socalled nanothermite found on site did it.
                                                                                                                                                  Read up on the difference between tube-frame construction (WTC 1&2) and box-frame construction (very common; ie. Empire State building) ...

                                                                                                                                                  In tube-frame construction, trusses span large distances between the core and outer wall. Great for open floor plans, but substantially reduces structural redundancy.

                                                                                                                                                  More to the point, steel loses much of its strength well below its melting point. In tube-frame construction, even relatively little bending can cause the trusses to pull away from the outer wall.

                                                                                                                                                  With the loss of even a few truss connections, entire floors can collapse adding to the load on the floor below, which in turn gives away, eventually leading to a cascading failure; pancaking of floors on top of each other leaving only the shell remaining (as documented in the pictures / video of the collapse of WTC 1&2).

                                                                                                                                                  While one can debate whether the attacks were by the government, terrorists, or whoever ... the fact is that steel loses much of its strength well below its melting point, which is why in all large commercial structures, the steel is covered in fire retardant insulating material (ie. foams, asbestos, concrete, etc) to keep the steel cool for as long as possible during a fire; critically important in tube-frame construction, because the tolerances and redundancy is far less than that of box-frame construction.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Amputate Your Head
                                                                                                                                                      There can be only one
                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                                                                      There's no "new generation" of anything.. It's always been this way and always will be.. There's the sheep, the conspiracy people, those that don't care one way or the other and then those that have an open mind without preconceived notions that look at all the information, weigh it and then, maybe, make up their mind about something.
                                                                                                                                                      wouldn't it then follow that if these so-called "open minded" people make up their minds and come to a decision, that they would then be lumped in with either the sheep, or the theorists or the don't-cares?

                                                                                                                                                      by that token, there is no way to escape being labeled, no matter what.

                                                                                                                                                      I kept an open mind, i looked at what was available, and I made up my mind a few years ago.... so now I am lumped with the conspiracy people, or am I in the magical new group of "decision people"?


                                                                                                                                                      you decide which group i belong. i don't care for labels.
                                                                                                                                                      SIG TOO BIG

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                                                                                                                                                        • Amputate Your Head
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                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                                                                          remember, it's not a "theory" if it's true.

                                                                                                                                                          at that point, it's just a conspiracy.
                                                                                                                                                          SIG TOO BIG

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                                                                                                                                                            • Tempest
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                                                                                                                                                              • May 2004
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                                                                                                                                              remember, it's not a "theory" if it's true.

                                                                                                                                                              at that point, it's just a conspiracy.
                                                                                                                                                              It's a theory if it can't be shown to be true... Since nothing regarding 9/11 conspiracy has been shown to be true, it's just a theory. Don't understand how any open minded person could "make up their mind" about it given that, especially given new information comes available as time passes and will continue to. Unless, of course, they want to believe in a conspiracy in the first place.

                                                                                                                                                              I tend to not believe anything 100% and remain open minded enough to change my opinion on something as new information comes available. That doesn't mean I don't believe in conspiracies etc. I'm old enough to have seen many become exposed. For example, I tend to believe that Kenedy was taken out by the mafia.

                                                                                                                                                              I've also seen many so called "absolute truths" been blown away. I remember being very surprised when it was found that ulcers were caused by bacteria as opposed to the belief it was stress etc. Watching the doctors that discovered it get mocked and ostricized by the rest of the medical community for their "crazy" theories.. Then it was shown to be completely true.. All the companies selling stuff for ulcers turned around and invented new things for their products to treat, like acid reflex etc. Now I tend to not completely believe in any sort of medical/scientific "facts".

                                                                                                                                                              Bottom line, we know so little about anything that it's hard for me to believe in anything 100%.

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                                                                                                                                                                • minicivan
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  I love how in this discussion "paranoid delusions" are so often equated by those who are deeply disturbed, to "critical thinking".

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Alky
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                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                                                                                      I think it was this show.. watched a few of them around that time

                                                                                                                                                                      http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...acy-vs-science
                                                                                                                                                                      FEMA's official report said the jet fuel burned off within minutes.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • cykoe6
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                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by wehateporn
                                                                                                                                                                          or perhaps send 'The Truthers' to the FEMA camps

                                                                                                                                                                          This possibility...... however remote....... is the sole reason I continue to pay my US income taxes.



                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
                                                                                                                                                                          you decide which group i belong. i don't care for labels.

                                                                                                                                                                          I nominate you for the "imbecile" group.
                                                                                                                                                                          бабки, шлюхи, сила

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Tempest
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                                                                                                                                                                              • May 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Alky
                                                                                                                                                                              FEMA's official report said the jet fuel burned off within minutes.
                                                                                                                                                                              And as demonstrated, it only takes a few minutes for the steel to weaken and bend etc.

                                                                                                                                                                              However, when bare steel reaches temperatures of 1,000 degrees Celsius, it softens and its strength reduces to roughly 10 percent of its room temperature value. Steel that is unprotected (e.g., if the fireproofing is dislodged) can reach the air temperature within the time period that the fires burned within the towers. Thus, yielding and buckling of the steel members (floor trusses, beams, and both core and exterior columns) with missing fireproofing were expected under the fire intensity and duration determined by NIST for the WTC towers.
                                                                                                                                                                              http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Nathan
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Usually when people do not understand what they see, they tend to build explanations around them that they understand. Since I would expect most of us are not physicists or specialists in the field of metallurgy I doubt anyone here UNDERSTANDS what happened.

                                                                                                                                                                                  So they cling to the easiest explanation which usually is the conspiracy theories since those usually easily solve everything. Nothing needs to be explained if you just can say "the evil government did it with the evil secret weapons we all do not know about".
                                                                                                                                                                                  "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                                                                                                  - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Ron Bennett
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Alky
                                                                                                                                                                                      FEMA's official report said the jet fuel burned off within minutes.
                                                                                                                                                                                      That's correct...

                                                                                                                                                                                      However, the burning jet fuel ignited much of the contents on numerous floors. The building contents is what fueled the fire, and over time the heat weakened the steel.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Steel need not melt to be substantially weakened, as in lose upwards of 50% of its normal strength, and excessively deflect (bend) under what would otherwise be normal loads. To make matters worse, many of the truss connections themselves were damaged in addition to being weakened from the prolonged heat of the building contents burning.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Many people have the misconception that the WTC 1&2 towers were built of super-special materials / over-engineered construction. The reality is that the steel used was nothing overly special, and the construction was highly economized with minimal use of concrete ... ie. the critical core structure, as a cost saving measure, was only encased in drywall!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Kiopa_Matt
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by u-Bob
                                                                                                                                                                                          Let's not forget that some of them actually rose from the grave!
                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, there's a perfectly plausible explanation for that too. Once the terrorists were in heaven, Allah scolded them and said, "You didn't finish the job in PA! I'm only giving you two virgins each, or otherwise, you can go back to earth and finish the job!". They all decided on the latter.

                                                                                                                                                                                          See? It makes perfect sense! Now quit trying to stir up shit, and quit disrespecting those who died on 9/11! I tell ya, fucken kids and their conspiracy theories... why can't they just learn to be more normal, and obedient?
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Slutboat
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                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              I will weigh in even though this is a big yawn fest...

                                                                                                                                                                                              911 CONSPIRACY


                                                                                                                                                                                              THEORISTS



                                                                                                                                                                                              ARE FUCKING



                                                                                                                                                                                              INSANE
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Kiopa_Matt
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2007
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Aren't you supposed to be chanting, "USA! USA! USA!", then finish it up by singing the national anthem?

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Really though, even highly skilled & trained Russian KGB or Mossad agents wouldn't be capable of pulling off an attack like 9/11. Do you really believe a bunch of box cutter armed asshats from Afghanistan managed to do it?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Slutboat
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Kiopa_Matt
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Aren't you supposed to be chanting, "USA! USA! USA!", then finish it up by singing the national anthem?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Really though, even highly skilled & trained Russian KGB or Mossad agents wouldn't be capable of pulling off an attack like 9/11. Do you really believe a bunch of box cutter armed asshats from Afghanistan managed to do it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      anyone that knows my threads knows I'm no cheerleader - and your wildly incorrect "Afghanistan" remark shows that you have very little curiosity and no actual knowledge of what went down on 911.
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