Deej

So the little black kid is your son ?

laaaaaaaaame retort

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sortie

Did I post that pic?.....No!

So post a pic of your own kids since it's soooooo cooooool.

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baddog

You did not need to read the whole thread.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=81

All you need to know is there.

GatorB

No and neither do 99.99% of the people bitching about this topic for or against. You've got a fucking point?

JaneB

I wish the government luck, since the law in AZ is based on federal law. They did that on purpose so if it was challenged in court, AZ would win. Challenging AZ on this law will also make them have to challenge the federal law as well. Also Arizona is in the civilized world. No other country in the world would have allowed all these illegals to come into their country. Our border is a fucking joke and every country knows it.

cgiGeek

sorry I need to ask this, please someone correct me if i am wrong : if it wasnt for illegal inmigrants, wouldnt things cost 5x more and you will loose the revenue they bring in even if is just buying at local stores ?

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KillerK

Well maybe, but then maybe a plasma wouldn't cost $1500, since people wouldnt have as much money to spend on electronics if Strawberries costed more.

mikesinner

This could be a plan to make the law stand up in court and make it a federal law.

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baddog

Yes, you are wrong.

will76

I'm not an immigrant. I was born in the US, my parents were born in the US, my grandparents were born in the US, my great grand parents were born in the US, and their parents came here LEGALLY! I am a fucking american, not immigrant.

These mexicans crossing the border illegally are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

the " you are all immigrants" argument is on the level of a 5th grader saying " not ah, I know you are but what am I". How can you compare someone like myself to the mexican who crossed the border yesterday and say we are both immigrants. / retarded.

the difference is, someone has been here for years, LEGALLY. Someone just showed up yesterday ILLEGALLY. If you can't tell the difference between that then as Sleazy says, IDIOT!!

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will76

what things cost or might cost with or with out illegals is irrelevant. We don't allow people to break laws if it makes the cost of buying things for other people cheaper.


People are so concerned about mexican looking people being asked to show documentation but they are not upset about all of the people who are breaking laws coming here. Let them break the law, that is ok, hell reward them with free health care and god forbid you stop people you suspect to be here illegally and ask them for documentation! Is it ok to stop an illegal to ask him for documentation or is that a violation of his civial rights (lol he is not even a citizen).

You people are so fucked up, especially the ones trying to spin this into a racist thing. It comes down to the most simple level, laws, money and safety. Doesn't matter if it was a black, brown, or purple person. People need to follow the laws and the ones that don't are costing the tax payers a lot of money. Some illegals do come over here and commit a lot of crimes.

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Vendzilla

Just Obama proving yet again that his agenda is more important than the people he represents

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Amputate Your Head

The State of Arizona needs to "follow the law" too, and obviously they aren't doing it because the federal government is taking the state to court. I'm sure that's not a cover for a surprise party for the state for being so good.

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Vendzilla

That will be determined in the courts, but I think that the State law is only inforcing the federal law. Can you fly into this country without a passport?

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Amputate Your Head

No you can't fly in without a passport. Will you be hassled and asked for your papers by every cop between the airport and your hotel? No.

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cykoe6

Obama continues to show his true hard left agenda and the useful idiots continue to be surprised.

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Caligari

On all counts Arizona is not even in the bottom 20
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ates_by_income

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baddog

There are 50 states, not that your point means anything.

brassmonkey

cali is spending way more than it has. Arnold needs a new pair of shoes and badogg and everyone there is paying for it.

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will76

Arizona passed a law, the US govt is fighting it. We will see who is right, untill then you can't say AZ is breaking laws.

Cause and effect. Action / Reaction. What ever you want to call it, there is a reason why people are being stopped, and its not because the cops in AZ are racist or have a hardon for Mexicans. If there wasn't so many mexican people in AZ that were illegal the cops wouldn't be checking people.

Perfect example is the blacks in a particular part of the city here in the New Orleans. 99% of this part of town is black, and it is by far the wrost crime part of the city. It is all Black on Black crime, with almost all of the crime being committed by young blacks, 16 - 25 years old. The cops started putting a lot of extra protrolls in this particular area and if they saw young blacks hanging out on the corners doing nothing they would stop and ask them what they were doing and to show id. They actually started cleaning up the area and some of the people started screaming "racist" "profiling" etc. So the police stopped and the murder rate and crime went back up. WTF? some the people living in that area rathered live with more crime and a better chance of being killed vs having the cops stop people and ask them for id. How can they be so f ucking stupid. It wasn't being "racist" the cops were trying to help the other black people living there and protecting them the only way they could. It's not like the other blacks report crimes, no one ever comes forward. The cops were trying to be proactive and protect people.

Same thing happening with this illegal immigration shit. The STATISICS show a lot of MEXICANS are illegal, then to get the ILLEGALS OUT, which is the greater good for other LEGAL MEXICANS and other residents, is to be proactive and protrol and check the people who most likely fit the bill of being in the demographic that could be breaking the law. period end of story. People need to look at the greater good (for themselves and everyone who is not breaking the laws) and get that fucking chip off of their shoulder that god forbid they have to stop and answer some questions.

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Amputate Your Head

Profiling is always defended as "for the greater good". Doesn't make it right, and if you were on the receiving end of the profiling, you'd be saying the same thing.

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will76

It is for the greeter good, even for the people being stopped and checked that did nothing wrong. Does it make it right? I guess that depends on how uptight the person is that is being stopped. If they have a "fuck the police you can't stop me with out cause attitude" then i guess you think it isn't right. If you can see that it isn't anything personal to you, that they are just trying to help you then you can understand that a couple minutes of your time is better for your overall safety. Do you want to live in lala land or do you want results with the least intrusive means necessary?

Do you want to prevent crime or live with it. I don't think anyone can disagree that profiling (aka using statistics to see what demographic is committing the most crimes in a particular area and actively checking them) is an effective and proactive way to prevent crime and it produces results. Almost all other crime prevention is reactive, the police showing up after the crime and then investigating trying to catch the people who did it. I would rather have a lot less crime and be checked from time to time vs being a victim of crime because people had a chip on their shoulder and didn't want to be stopped by the police. People always bitch about crime being high but the handcuff the police from being able to prevent it. People hate the cops until they need them.

I have no problem what so ever being stopped and checked by profiling. To a certain extent it happens with DWI checkpoints. They check late at night and more often then not flagged the younger looking people going through them. That is profiling. I've had to go through more than my fair share of them and was GREATFULL that the cops were out there taking the drunks off of the road because the more they took off the road the less chances I had of one of them hitting and killing me.

If there was a lot of theft/crime in a particular area I would have no problem with them stopping me if I fit the profile. I am doing nothing wrong, have nothing to hide. I am not a dumb ass and can see what they are doing is helping me, so I have no problem taking a couple minutes of my time to show them I am not one of the bad guys, so they can actually catch the bad guys BEFORE they commit a crime and get them off the streets.



I majored in criminal justice in college. I am well aware how profiling, using statistical data, law enforcement works etc...

What about you, where do you live, are you mexican, do you just hate the police, or are you a bleeding heart liberal who thinks the govt/police should leave us the fuck alone ?

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Amputate Your Head

I guess I'm "uptight" then because no, the police can't just stop people for no reason. And it is personal. It's about as personal as it can get in fact. I don't need or want the police to hold my hand while I cross the street through life. They need to do their job and stop trying to "save us" from ourselves or the [______] people.

Yes, I too would like to prevent crime. If profiling prevents all this crime you're talking about, then why is there still crime? And why haven't the profiling efforts of the hate groups ever worked? If you want to give up your rights and bend over for the police, you're welcome to do so. But not me.

Flagging down potential drunk drivers at checkpoints on a holiday weekend is not even remotely close to signing a bill into law giving the police the authority to legally profile Mexicans. And I too am grateful for police efforts to remove drunk drivers from our roads.

See my second comment above.


I live in Central / Bay Area California.
I am not Mexican.
I do not hate the police.
I am not a bleeding heart liberal.
Yes, the police should leave us the fuck alone. When I need them, I will call them. Until then, they need to get off my proverbial back. Immigration is not the business of the police. If the police want to start taking over Federal roles, then they need to cowboy up and start shipping a few of their officers over to do tours of Iraq and Afghanistan too.

No? Is that asking too much? The police can't do their jobs properly half the time as it is. This law doesn't keep illegals from coming in. It solves nothing. It may even qualify as the very first actual Hate Legislation. Designed purely to hunt down and round up Hispanics.

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charlie g

Police must profile to do their job properly. Anyone who has a problem with showing identification to a cop is a real asshole.

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