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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635
    #1

    PlentyofFish Owner Markus Frind

    The paid dating site, and membership business model is dead. Circa 2006.

    PlentyofFish Owner Markus Frind
    Air Date: June 27, 2006

    Markus Frind, owner of PlentyofFish, talks about managing the third largest dating site in the country.
    Podcast
    Should You Email Your Members?

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    Enough Said.

    "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"
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    • CaptainHowdy
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Dec 2004
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      #2

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        • Fbomb - BANNED FOR LIFE
          So Fucking Banned
          • May 2010
          • 970
          #3
          Funny how toe sucking weirdo switched from "toe da top" post to cut and paste crap.

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            • Theo
              HAL 9000
              • May 2001
              • 34515
              #4
              idiotic statement

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                • Barefootsies
                  Choice is an Illusion
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 42635
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                  idiotic statement
                  Cliff notes version of the podcast, as many will not bother to listen. I guess I should have marked it as "cliff notes" for those individuals. My bad.

                  That said, it was basically his take on social networks, dating sites, and paid membership model from the interview.
                  Should You Email Your Members?

                  Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                  Enough Said.

                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                    • BestXXXPorn
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                      • Jun 2009
                      • 2277
                      #6
                      Markus is a complete douche...
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                        • CIVMatt
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                          • Aug 2004
                          • 13075
                          #7
                          Yeah well he's doing it better then 99% of all of you
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                            • BAKO
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                              • Jul 2005
                              • 18478
                              #8
                              complete crap, I make my living pushing dating sites
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                                • Slappin Fish
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                                  • Jul 2007
                                  • 2512
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by BestXXXPorn
                                  Markus is a complete douche...
                                  What he said + posted on webmaster forums more times than I care to recollect.

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                                    • Barefootsies
                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                      • Feb 2005
                                      • 42635
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by CIVMatt
                                      Yeah well he's doing it better then 99% of all of you
                                      My thoughts exactly.


                                      While I have listened to, and read, plenty of interviews from this dude and his story, I do not agree with them all either. That said, there are plenty of people in this industry, as well as mainstream, I do not care for. But failing to learn from their successes, and failures, as well as experience is one's own folly.
                                      Last edited by Barefootsies; 06-14-2010, 09:43 AM.
                                      Should You Email Your Members?

                                      Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                      Enough Said.

                                      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                        • GTS Mark
                                          Vrume Mark
                                          • Jan 2001
                                          • 20912
                                          #11
                                          Dating is still doing well for us? No shortage in buyers that is for sure.

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                                            • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
                                              (felis madjewicus)
                                              • Jul 2006
                                              • 20368
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by CIVMatt
                                              Yeah well he's doing it better then 99% of all of you
                                              pretty sure you could up that to a good 99.5% and still be accurate...

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                                                • 96ukssob
                                                  So Fucking Banananananas
                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 12991
                                                  #13
                                                  of course this model is "dead" because there are 84,000 other dating sites out there all promising the same thing.

                                                  match.com is probably one of the most successful dating sites IMO (mainstream) and that has a lot to do with the amount of advertising and marketing they do. Eharmony is the same way, they are always running ads but i think they are focused more towards the "older" type crowd.

                                                  at the same time, I dont think the "free dating site" model will ever be successful because of the mass amount of spammers it will get. Shit, even sites like Fling have spammers that try to get you to sign up for AFF ads.

                                                  IMO this kind of goes in the same as porn. general/hardcore sites are not nearly as productive as they used to be because that content is everywhere, versus niche sites are performing just fine and thats probably how dating will start to go too
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                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 42635
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by bossku69
                                                      of course this model is "dead" because there are 84,000 other dating sites out there all promising the same thing.

                                                      match.com is probably one of the most successful dating sites IMO (mainstream) and that has a lot to do with the amount of advertising and marketing they do. Eharmony is the same way, they are always running ads but i think they are focused more towards the "older" type crowd.

                                                      at the same time, I dont think the "free dating site" model will ever be successful because of the mass amount of spammers it will get. Shit, even sites like Fling have spammers that try to get you to sign up for AFF ads.

                                                      IMO this kind of goes in the same as porn. general/hardcore sites are not nearly as productive as they used to be because that content is everywhere, versus niche sites are performing just fine and thats probably how dating will start to go too
                                                      Nice post fine sire.
                                                      Should You Email Your Members?

                                                      Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                      Enough Said.

                                                      "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                        • Manowar
                                                          jellyfish  
                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                          • 71528
                                                          #15
                                                          there is some serious money in there for him

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                                                            • CIVMatt
                                                              Amateur Pimpin
                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                              • 13075
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by bossku69
                                                              of course this model is "dead" because there are 84,000 other dating sites out there all promising the same thing.

                                                              match.com is probably one of the most successful dating sites IMO (mainstream) and that has a lot to do with the amount of advertising and marketing they do. Eharmony is the same way, they are always running ads but i think they are focused more towards the "older" type crowd.

                                                              at the same time, I dont think the "free dating site" model will ever be successful because of the mass amount of spammers it will get. Shit, even sites like Fling have spammers that try to get you to sign up for AFF ads.

                                                              IMO this kind of goes in the same as porn. general/hardcore sites are not nearly as productive as they used to be because that content is everywhere, versus niche sites are performing just fine and thats probably how dating will start to go too

                                                              That's a really good post!
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                                                                • BestXXXPorn
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jun 2009
                                                                  • 2277
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by bossku69
                                                                  of course this model is "dead" because there are 84,000 other dating sites out there all promising the same thing.

                                                                  match.com is probably one of the most successful dating sites IMO (mainstream) and that has a lot to do with the amount of advertising and marketing they do. Eharmony is the same way, they are always running ads but i think they are focused more towards the "older" type crowd.

                                                                  at the same time, I dont think the "free dating site" model will ever be successful because of the mass amount of spammers it will get. Shit, even sites like Fling have spammers that try to get you to sign up for AFF ads.

                                                                  IMO this kind of goes in the same as porn. general/hardcore sites are not nearly as productive as they used to be because that content is everywhere, versus niche sites are performing just fine and thats probably how dating will start to go too
                                                                  By this logic all the free dating site needs to do is reign in their affiliates and do more fraud screening... you wouldn't believe how much fraud screening is done on the major dating sites... but even then they're not going to take over...

                                                                  For one you've got the whole perceived value thing... Second, you've got an ad based revenue model... good to support one guy or maybe a few people, not good enough to drive a major company.

                                                                  PlentyOfFish is a joke with anyone that's actually looking to date... if you want a better example I say take a look at OKCupid, albeit it's more of a hybrid social network/dating model.
                                                                  Last edited by BestXXXPorn; 06-14-2010, 11:19 AM.
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                                                                    • seeandsee
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                                                                      • Mar 2006
                                                                      • 50945
                                                                      #18
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                                                                        • CamJack
                                                                          Old School Webmaster
                                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                                          • 1334
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I saw a thing on him on TV and all his shitty furniture was the worst IKEA crap that falls apart when you put it together.
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                                                                            • DateDoc
                                                                              Outside looking in.
                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                              • 14243
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                              The paid dating site, and membership business model is dead. Circa 2006.
                                                                              Then why does POF charge to become a premium member now?

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                                                                                • BestXXXPorn
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jun 2009
                                                                                  • 2277
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by DateDoc
                                                                                  Then why does POF charge to become a premium member now?
                                                                                  It's not dead, that's just ignorance... They charge because the free model has ALWAYS been dead, inherently... Premium member is where it's at, subscription models are actually profitable, LOL

                                                                                  It took Markus a few years to catch on though... some how he still thinks he knows more than everyone else in the dating industry
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                                                                                    • Jarmusch
                                                                                       
                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                      • 12479
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by geoGUERILLA
                                                                                      I saw a thing on him on TV and all his shitty furniture was the worst IKEA crap that falls apart when you put it together.
                                                                                      Being frugal rocks.

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                                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                          • 42635
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by BestXXXPorn
                                                                                          It took Markus a few years to catch on though... some how he still thinks he knows more than everyone else in the dating industry
                                                                                          Business thread accomplished.
                                                                                          Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                          Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                          Enough Said.

                                                                                          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                            • DateDoc
                                                                                              Outside looking in.
                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                              • 14243
                                                                                              #24

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                                                                                                • webair
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                                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                                  • 8531
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  That's probably why all the chicks on POF are butt ugly =)


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                                                                                                    • tiger
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                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by DateDoc
                                                                                                      That's crazy.

                                                                                                      Seems odd to me to get paid by check with that sum but it's probably fun depositing them.

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                                                                                                        • PastorSinAlot
                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                          • Jun 2007
                                                                                                          • 2837
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          he is my hero

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                                                                                                            • FetishWeb
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                                                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                                                              • 390
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by tiger
                                                                                                              That's crazy.

                                                                                                              Seems odd to me to get paid by check with that sum but it's probably fun depositing them.

                                                                                                              two different banks in Canada told him to F-off and deposit it somewhere else.

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                                                                                                                • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                  Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                  • 42635
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by FetishWeb
                                                                                                                  two different banks in Canada told him to F-off and deposit it somewhere else.
                                                                                                                  Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                                  Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                                  Enough Said.

                                                                                                                  "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                                                    • EliteWebmaster
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Feb 2010
                                                                                                                      • 3990
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      eharmony is the closest thing of a successfull model along with Match. POF is full of dead weight. It's basically a glorified craigslist for hookers, rapists, fat girls, 40year old virgins, and murderers hangout. Markus needs to clean his site up.

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                                                                                                                        • NetHorse
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                                                                                                                          • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                          • 3526
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by EliteWebmaster
                                                                                                                          eharmony is the closest thing of a successfull model along with Match. POF is full of dead weight. It's basically a glorified craigslist for hookers, rapists, fat girls, 40year old virgins, and murderers hangout. Markus needs to clean his site up.


                                                                                                                          The paid dating model is still very much alive. A good way to market paid dating sites is to point out the major pitfalls of free dating sites. A lot of people who register on POF aren't serious about online dating. They pretty much register on there for the same reasons they register on myspace.

                                                                                                                          On the other hand, the quality of users on paid dating sites is way higher. Since it's more focused on actual dating and the users who are serious about it have to actually pay for the service.

                                                                                                                          Not saying anything bad about the owner of POF though. He's a very smart man who is worth more than 99.9% of us will ever be. Of course he's going to brag about his business model while putting others down. Just like all the other business giants do, (Steve Jobbs, Bill Gates, etc).
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                                                                                                                            • EliteWebmaster
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                                                                                                                              • 3990
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by webair
                                                                                                                              That's probably why all the chicks on POF are butt ugly =)
                                                                                                                              And fat

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                                                                                                                                • TurboAngel
                                                                                                                                  H.B.I.C.
                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 30122
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  My g/f in NJ finds all kinds of fucked up guy's on there.

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                                                                                                                                    • ShellyCrash
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                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 6708
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      POF is a lead gen play. Its the largest but there are others like it. What's core to remember about sites like POF is this- they exist primarily because they remarket those users to paid dating sites.

                                                                                                                                      If premium membership driven dating sites went under the largest portion of his incoming revenue would dry up. I doubt he would be able to continue to operate.

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                                                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
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                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          If 5 years ago someone had said full scenes would be given away on sites for free, they would of been called an idiot. Could dating sites go 100% free? Their running costs are less than Tube sites, so yes it could happen.

                                                                                                                                          A bad thing for porn? Not if it cuts funding to Tubes sites giving away full scenes for free.

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                                                                                                                                            • Barefootsies
                                                                                                                                              Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                              • 42635
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                              We live in a changing world. Adapt or die.
                                                                                                                                              True dat old friend.
                                                                                                                                              Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                                                                              Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                                                                              Enough Said.

                                                                                                                                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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