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Choker · 01-02-2003, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by fnet

By "work in RAM only", do you mean the script/module needs to stay cached in the webserver's memory space (doesn't unload between requests-- apache, iis, and aolserver each approach this differently), do you mean that you want to eliminate file io inter script time delays, or do you mean something different?

From what I understand everything needs to stay in ram including the databases, the only writing to the hard drives would be like twice an hour just to back up the databases. I have been told that writing or reading hard drives for every request is what the problem is.

fnet · 01-02-2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Choker
From what I understand everything needs to stay in ram including the databases, the only writing to the hard drives would be like twice an hour just to back up the databases. I have been told that writing or reading hard drives for every request is what the problem is.

which db backend and webserver are you using?

madthumbs · 01-02-2003, 12:55 PM

hey fly .. icq me 8057295 .. i think we are already on each others list but i cant find u :-|

Choker · 01-02-2003, 01:06 PM

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which db backend and webserver are you using?

cgi, all flat text files the server runs apache. I can get whatever hardware/webserver is needed. I am really looking for someone to write this as a long term project. I can pay a writer for 40 hours a week on a permament basis if the price is right and he knows what he is doing.

whee · 01-02-2003, 03:23 PM

Hi ya all
Actually we are also using a system like chokers, made for our own tgps some time ago. But plz feel free to use it or make comments about it!

http://www.exxxt.com

TheFLY · 01-02-2003, 03:46 PM

Just an update, my script is finished... Just need more galleries to put into rotation. If you want to participate you'll need to email me a minimum of 40 nice galleries organized by niche (sorry at this time I can't deal with amateur gallery builders) -- if you want in on this, ICQ me after you sign up for a trade...

http://www.theflyinc.com/models.html

ICQ #1622420 and I'll give you the niche specific gallery rotation links (for your TGPs or whatever) as I finish them -- the babes/models/pornstars category is ready to go... So basically you can can just send traffic to the free rotating gallery links and you get back targeted/non-blind recip traffic to any URL that you want. I'm pretty sure the recip ratios will be very nice -- let me know how you do... the #'s will improve as I get more trades... I'll do another more official post once I get more niche gallery pools ready.

dacash · 01-02-2003, 04:00 PM

Chocker, if you are interested in a C programmer i can maybe be of some help to you, contact me by ICQ it's in my Sign.

And yeah i can get for cheap...

fnet · 01-02-2003, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by Choker

cgi, all flat text files the server runs apache. I can get whatever hardware/webserver is needed. I am really looking for someone to write this as a long term project. I can pay a writer for 40 hours a week on a permament basis if the price is right and he knows what he is doing.

Aolserver article

Aolserver with Oracle is the most scalable solution available. Aolserver offers the advantage of a stripped down, highly performant server kernel which keeps all tcl scripts resident in webserver memory space. Aolserver works natively with Oracle. Correctly configured, Oracle will handle checkpoints (diskwrites) in this manner.

I can install and configure this kind of setup for you. I know the guy who wrote the above article; he was my teacher. My C/C++ skills come primarly from working at Borland (working with C++ Builder) for 3 years. Translating c-based cgi over to tcl would be straightforward. This is certainly not the only way to do this, it's just the most forward thinking in terms of performance and reliability. A similar alternative is to use Aolserver and Postgresql, which has the advantage of not paying Oracle license fees, but sacrifices some scalability.

Lastly, you could stay with apache/cgi and just use a postgresql backend configured to use a big memory cache. That's probably the fastest conversion.

ICQ 13384735

blazin · 01-02-2003, 04:35 PM

Choker - if your cgi-script current script is running under perl - I'd suggest getting it cleaned up and running under mod_perl also ditch the text files and use mysql. (with enough RAM the database will stay in memory)

A colleague and I have recently converted a web application to mod_perl and the speed increases were about 2000-3000%. This was a monster application comprising of about 250,000 lines of code

Another suggestion is to use a load balanced set up.
For a high traffic intranet I recently used the following with startling results:

Local Director (does load balancing)
Database Server (Lots of Ram & Raid config)
3 x web servers (fairly standard PC's NOT servers)

You'd be suprised by the results on this setup - even though I was using PC's for the web servers

Choker · 01-02-2003, 04:48 PM

Thanks for the last two replies guys , but see this is the problem. Everyone suggests to do this a different way. I have no clue which way is best. It's like shopping for a car motor without knowing what size engine I need. I need a good coder who is tired of the down times in between free lancing and wants a decent weekly salery. Someone who can give me x amount of hours a week. Hell I can find him all the work he needs to keep him busy 40 hours a week or more. But I'm not going to pay free lancer prices when I can guarantee a permament job to someone. I make so may changes to my script it is enough to keep any writer busy.

fnet · 01-02-2003, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Choker
Thanks for the last two replies guys , but see this is the problem. Everyone suggests to do this a different way. I have no clue which way is best. It's like shopping for a car motor without knowing what size engine I need.

It sounds like at this point you want less info saturation, rather than more, so I'll omit the detailed third party comparison of oracle, postgresql, and mysql. The guy who wrote that article is the #1 authority on webserver performance. He's also listed as the latest entry in the list of greatest all time contributions to computer science at MIT's Laboratory for Computer Science.

Neener, neener.

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I need a good coder who is tired of the down times in between free lancing and wants a decent weekly salery. Someone who can give me x amount of hours a week. Hell I can find him all the work he needs to keep him busy 40 hours a week or more. But I'm not going to pay free lancer prices when I can guarantee a permament job to someone. I make so may changes to my script it is enough to keep any writer busy.

I'm interested in discussing that with you. icq 13384735

dacash · 01-02-2003, 05:15 PM

Ok choker, you didn't contact me and your still asking around, contact me and you will see....

ICQ# 166525277

FreeOnes · 01-02-2003, 05:31 PM

choker's traffic is one big hokes spokes magic trick to me
but that's just me

contact me if you have thumbnail spots available which link directly to real galleries at freeones.com Great addition to your site and you get paid for it (must be cheap price though)

TheFLY · 01-02-2003, 05:37 PM

freeones ICQ me

#1622420 -- I'll look for you in my list too

As for how I'm going to scale my script when I get to 10,000,000 clicks/day I may just use a divide and conquor method so I don't have any one script counting too many hits... but my application is entirely different...

fnet · 01-02-2003, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by blazin
also ditch the text files and use mysql. (with enough RAM the database will stay in memory)

Mysql does not scale well.

It doesn't perform complex joins or subselects.
It doesn't natively support transactions.
It has no atomicity with regard to locking.
It has no support for stored procedures, triggers, or foreign keys.

With lots of simultaneous inserts/updates it will stall too much.

TheFLY · 01-02-2003, 05:59 PM

I'm just doing some basic testing w/ a few trades here -- looks like I can give you back 10:1 raws in/recip ratio pretty easily... you can use target tags also to hit the galleries.

If you missed the link, it's http://www.theflyinc.com/models.html -- tonight babe and BJ/oral niches will be working... Get in big early and you'll have prime space on my submit page and your galleries will get preference in the pool...

Za Ha · 01-02-2003, 06:24 PM

Very interesting thread.

It would be very nice to get some competition out on this market. That way the owner(s) would be forced to pay out more

Also more choice would mean more clicks by the surfer when he visits the tgp. Therefore a new chocker system would be good.

HOWEVER

Chockers system is very big, and to make something new would require a webmaster who knows what he is doing. Cant be someone who will make a big program and then 404 all the pages (btw that would make lots of $$$ in a short period of time

)and the webmaster must also be able to payout the THOUSANDS of dollars a day that chocker pays out. The owner would have to work very hard to get it running. Becuase if its down for more then a few hours webmasters will leave.

I would expect that few people would leave chockers system, simply because it has no flaws in it. It is loading a bit slow lately but hopefully that will be fixed. I can see webmasters using chockers system along with the new but I dont see anyone leaving chockers program (especially not those how make a steady $200+ a day from sending hits to galleries).

My

blazin · 01-02-2003, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fnet

Mysql does not scale well.

It doesn't perform complex joins or subselects.
It doesn't natively support transactions.
It has no atomicity with regard to locking.
It has no support for stored procedures, triggers, or foreign keys.

With lots of simultaneous inserts/updates it will stall too much.

I agree with you for the most part, however it does support transactions in the latest pro version.
I agree it does not have the power of the likes of oracle with those nasty joins and subselects.........I hate them anyway

However with a well optimized database schema it is amazingly fast..... if choker cgi was using text files before then this will probably be several thousand times faster than that so should be more than sufficient.

TheFLY · 01-02-2003, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by Za Ha
Also more choice would mean more clicks by the surfer when he visits the tgp. Therefore a new chocker system would be good.

i totally agree -- since choker wants to see where the traffic is coming from -- you can't hide the URL so the surfer will get wise to it after a while if he's paying attention... still 10,000,000 can't be wrong -- but anyway because I'm offering my service 4 free I'll let you guys send traffic to the galleries any way you feel like it -- that includes target tags...

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payout the THOUSANDS of dollars a day that chocker pays out. The owner would have to work very hard to get it running. Becuase if its down for more then a few hours webmasters will leave.

Like i said, my service will be free... I'll continue to post gallery pools if you approach me -- provide me w/ a fair amont of recip traffic so I can get more traffic into the pools of galleries... basically this will be a tool to build lots of TGP traffic very quickly w/o doing very much work... Because I'm only dealing w/ large pools of galleries, cheating won't be much of an issue -- I used to run a TGP a long ass time ago and I prefer to work w/ a few gallery gurus that can pump out tons of galleries and so I don't have to waste time fumbling around looking for cheaters or 404 shit.

notjoe · 01-02-2003, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Choker
At last someone who gets it. It's not rocket science is it Fly? Only thing you missed is that I prefer to pay $50 per 100k raws the tgps send to the galleries. A 100k a day TGP with a skim of 66% to galleries, over all productivity of 300% and a total of 100k a day uniques can make $100 a day cash from simply linking my galleries.

Competition is fine I wish you the best of luck. I am looking for a C coder that can develop a replacement script for the one I am using now. Mine has almost maxed out and the Version 2 project fell flat on it's face. The problem is that I need a engine that can work in RAM only, any ideas on this Fly?

I can work with you on something like that, php/mysql could handle it with ease!

fnet · 01-02-2003, 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by blazin

However with a well optimized database schema it is amazingly fast..... if choker cgi was using text files before then this will probably be several thousand times faster than that so should be more than sufficient.

As long as he keeps things simple, this solution you're suggesting would fix the current bottleneck over the short term. It sounds like he is actually thinking of the future as well, and has his own hardware... so why use mysql over postgresql? it's kind of the same suggestion i made... but you're suggesting the _weaker_ free opensource dbms.

whee · 01-02-2003, 07:54 PM

Quote:

It would be very nice to get some competition out on this market. That way the owner(s) would be forced to pay out more

Also more choice would mean more clicks by the surfer when he visits the tgp. Therefore a new chocker system would be good.

Running as you read, take a look:

http://www.exxxt.com

goggles22 · 01-02-2003, 08:09 PM

why not just use a spon. hosted galleries to fill in spots

whee · 01-02-2003, 08:17 PM

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Originally posted by goggles22
why not just use a spon. hosted galleries to fill in spots

Why not a shovel while we're at it...

Nah, that's the prob, the galleries. I need atleast 2000 more by now.

chewy · 01-03-2003, 01:07 AM

This message got me annoyed enough that I decided to repost my comment from chickens message board:

> to shitty galleries with virtually no profit expectation

WTF?! Shitty galleries? Shitty Galleries!!! Uber-newbie here. I spent a mere $50 with chicken, and to date that has brought in $120. Can anyone say "friend for life"? Shitty galleries, ef him and his clone friends. I think his stupid comment pretty much sums it up -- TGPs are looking for too much free content and have completely lost touch with the concept of ROI.

I'm going to babble, but honest to God (of your choice), I submitted a gallery with content that cost me $100 to 100 of the top TGPs via hand submission that returned 8 effing hits to the sponsor. Same dang sponsor that chicken turned a profit on with el cheapo content from the discount bin.

So, FWIW, long live shitty galleries with virtually no profit expectation

Cheeba Filas · 01-04-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Hmm I just added you 2 Trillian... I don't see your name -- are you on invisible?

Yes I am I'll make myself visible on ICQ

TheFLY · 01-04-2003, 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by whee

Running as you read, take a look:

http://www.exxxt.com

FUCKING SWEET MAN!!! Mine is ready also! I don't have as many niches as you -- I'm fleshing it out one niche at a time -- so far I have Movies, Babes/Models, Teens, and Blowjobs... I may add a hardcore category tonight before I launch this program.

TheFLY · 01-04-2003, 12:45 PM

When Choker says this is the next big thing all over his sites -- I think he's right. I predict that by next year everyone will be trading by gallery rotation pools... People will be building TGP's in half the time using multiple GPR trades (see below).

My system doesn't limit the webmaster to 10:1 ratio -- in fact you can get back much higher returns -- and the links are targeted to your site -- not just blind. The more people I get trading via the gallery pool method, the better the returns will be.

Anyone else running a gallery pool -- we can put each other into the rotations to flesh out the gallery pools and then we can trade even more traffic.

We should coin a term now because it's too fucking tiring to explain this process to people over and over... Let's just call it GPR (short for Gallery Pool Recips or Gallery Pool Rotation) -- so if you say "Hey let's do a GPR trade, it's much easier to understand than saying -- "Hey, sign up for this new thing where ya send to my gallery cgi pool rotator and then I send you back 10% blah blah" -- if you say GPR trading, it'll be very explicit.

Also my system doesn't require a site approval process -- you can get a GPR trade going within 5 minutes.

the Shemp · 01-04-2003, 12:50 PM

you guys let me know when the master plan is finished.

shemp

SleazyDream · 01-04-2003, 12:51 PM

one thing people seem to forget about choker - sure he has a great script and a new idea, but the guy also WORKS like 12+ hours a day. He's ALWAYS online working - NOT pissing around.

that's the real key, dedicated FOCUSED WORK towards ONE goal.

too many idiots see the results and don't see the amount of work it took to get there.

TheFLY · 01-04-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
one thing people seem to forget about choker - sure he has a great script and a new idea, but the guy also WORKS like 12+ hours a day. He's ALWAYS online working - NOT pissing around.

that's the real key, dedicated FOCUSED WORK towards ONE goal.

too many idiots see the results and don't see the amount of work it took to get there.

Yer totally right, but my system http://www.theflyinc.com/ and http://www.exxxt.com/ we don't charge money for this service, so there's a lot less legwork, but yes you are right -- my code has been in development for years and this GPR shit is just an extension of my existing code... Also guilding niche pools will be no easy job either -- finding as many galleries as possible and making sure that there's no cheating is no easy task -- so there won't be too much competition -- in fact these systems work better if there is variety... If I can crank out a TGP in 30 minutes that only uses exxxt and theflyinc GPR's then the traffic will grow a lot quicker because of the diversity -- the the surfer sees the same recip links at the top of the galleries then productivity will fall -- of course I will eventually code in a random recip look into the pool but for now there's not enough market saturation to justify that..

TheFLY · 01-04-2003, 01:32 PM

Shemp, if you want, I can code "Shemp" niche pools -- just send me a pile of gallery URL's every time you update or however you want to work it and let me know how you want them organized... Like niche=shemphardcore or niche=shempsoftcore or whatever you want...

I could build an easy to use URL on my site just for your webmasters where they can sign up to send traffic to the "shemp approved" gallery pools -- in exchange they get recip traffic! This expands clicks to gallerys that you post + I can include a special Shemp brand logo tacked on to the top of each Shemp approved gallery so that surfers know these galleries are all Shemp approved and you'll get traffic from that link too!

TheFLY · 01-04-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY
Shemp, if you want, I can code "Shemp" niche pools -- just send me a pile of gallery URL's every time you update or however you want to work it and let me know how you want them organized... Like niche=shemphardcore or niche=shempsoftcore or whatever you want...

I could build an easy to use URL on my site just for your webmasters where they can sign up to send traffic to the "shemp approved" gallery pools -- in exchange they get recip traffic! This expands clicks to gallerys that you post + I can include a special Shemp brand logo tacked on to the top of each Shemp approved gallery so that surfers know these galleries are all Shemp approved and you'll get traffic from that link too!

I extend this offer to any large TGP that wants to participate... I get out of the deal is a lot more trades, more quality galleries to rotate, and some big name exposure to popularize the system... As a TGP you get more clicks to the galleries that you post and w/ your branded gallery pool, lots more surfers will see your name... This would be really cool! Instead of TGP's stealing your listings -- they can add your listings really quickly and easily to their TGP and everyone benefits... Every time you update your TGP, all the participating TGP's get updated simultaneously.

TheFLY · 01-04-2003, 01:45 PM

Hey man I'm trying your system, it says "Please beware that the new site will be activated when you send an email to us here. ASAP. Therefore your site will show deactivated.
You can link to the galleries right away, you'll still be credited the hits owed to you. You'll begin to receive trafic back when your site has been validated.
Also beware that NO sites are allowed to display the links in ANY kind of console. This will delete your account instantly!"

Does this mean no target=_blank tags? Do you consider that a console?

I don't work off a 10:1 ratio so it's ok for webmasters to send traffic any way they feel like

Each site will have a unique ratio depending on what niche they chose, traffic quality, etc.

OzKaNoz · 01-04-2003, 01:50 PM

Choker
I'm sending a programmer your way that will fill your needs nicely!

Oz

TheFLY · 01-04-2003, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by whee

Running as you read, take a look:

http://www.exxxt.com

TheFLY · 01-04-2003, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by whee

Running as you read, take a look:

http://www.exxxt.com

I don't really like that you do a bottom frame tho... On a 640x480 surfer, with 100,*100 on the frame he will hardly be able to see the gallery... Even on my 1024x768 it's a little bit too much -- Choker doesn't use frames so I can see how he justifies the top and bottom positions, but frames stay on the screen even after the surfer clicks a picture so I think top and bottom frame is way too greedy unless you are offering better than 10% ratios...

whee · 01-06-2003, 02:06 AM

Hi Fly, thx for the words!
I've reduced the frames. Also the Q 'bout consoles. Taget=_blank is surly ok, what I ment was popping galleries onload or onunload. The system is aware of hitbots and a max value is set!
Also plz read your mail.

-W / http://www.exxxt.com

Snazzy · 01-13-2003, 04:09 PM

Fly, hit me up on ICQ - 916173 , I'm interested!

01-02-2003, 04:00 PM	#57
dacash Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: some where in a basement Posts: 609	Chocker, if you are interested in a C programmer i can maybe be of some help to you, contact me by ICQ it's in my Sign. And yeah i can get for cheap... __________________ ____________ Marc

01-02-2003, 04:48 PM	#60
Choker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Orlando Posts: 9,024	Thanks for the last two replies guys , but see this is the problem. Everyone suggests to do this a different way. I have no clue which way is best. It's like shopping for a car motor without knowing what size engine I need. I need a good coder who is tired of the down times in between free lancing and wants a decent weekly salery. Someone who can give me x amount of hours a week. Hell I can find him all the work he needs to keep him busy 40 hours a week or more. But I'm not going to pay free lancer prices when I can guarantee a permament job to someone. I make so may changes to my script it is enough to keep any writer busy. __________________ ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466 Need dating, cam, or tube traffic? I got it.http://http://www.chokertraffic.com The Original http://www.chokertraffic.com/ Premium country pop-unders from $1.50 per k. I challenge you to compare this traffic to any other brokers. http://www.chokertraffic.com/public/tabs.php?t=o

01-02-2003, 05:15 PM	#62
dacash Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: some where in a basement Posts: 609	Ok choker, you didn't contact me and your still asking around, contact me and you will see.... ICQ# 166525277 __________________ ____________ Marc

01-02-2003, 05:31 PM	#63
FreeOnes Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,400	choker's traffic is one big hokes spokes magic trick to me but that's just me contact me if you have thumbnail spots available which link directly to real galleries at freeones.com Great addition to your site and you get paid for it (must be cheap price though) __________________ The new FreeOnes! - AdultFilmStarContent - BabeGalleries and much more! - 1Strike Movies and much more! All powered by Xpressa

01-02-2003, 08:09 PM	#73
goggles22 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 79	why not just use a spon. hosted galleries to fill in spots __________________ icq 164071786

01-02-2003, 12:55 PM	#53
madthumbs Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 339	hey fly .. icq me 8057295 .. i think we are already on each others list but i cant find u :-\|

01-02-2003, 03:23 PM	#55
whee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: http://www.nightstation.com Posts: 1,375	Hi ya all Actually we are also using a system like chokers, made for our own tgps some time ago. But plz feel free to use it or make comments about it! http://www.exxxt.com

01-02-2003, 03:46 PM	#56
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Just an update, my script is finished... Just need more galleries to put into rotation. If you want to participate you'll need to email me a minimum of 40 nice galleries organized by niche (sorry at this time I can't deal with amateur gallery builders) -- if you want in on this, ICQ me after you sign up for a trade... http://www.theflyinc.com/models.html ICQ #1622420 and I'll give you the niche specific gallery rotation links (for your TGPs or whatever) as I finish them -- the babes/models/pornstars category is ready to go... So basically you can can just send traffic to the free rotating gallery links and you get back targeted/non-blind recip traffic to any URL that you want. I'm pretty sure the recip ratios will be very nice -- let me know how you do... the #'s will improve as I get more trades... I'll do another more official post once I get more niche gallery pools ready.

01-02-2003, 04:35 PM	#59
blazin Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 2,781	Choker - if your cgi-script current script is running under perl - I'd suggest getting it cleaned up and running under mod_perl also ditch the text files and use mysql. (with enough RAM the database will stay in memory) A colleague and I have recently converted a web application to mod_perl and the speed increases were about 2000-3000%. This was a monster application comprising of about 250,000 lines of code Another suggestion is to use a load balanced set up. For a high traffic intranet I recently used the following with startling results: Local Director (does load balancing) Database Server (Lots of Ram & Raid config) 3 x web servers (fairly standard PC's NOT servers) You'd be suprised by the results on this setup - even though I was using PC's for the web servers

01-02-2003, 05:37 PM	#64
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	freeones ICQ me #1622420 -- I'll look for you in my list too As for how I'm going to scale my script when I get to 10,000,000 clicks/day I may just use a divide and conquor method so I don't have any one script counting too many hits... but my application is entirely different...

01-02-2003, 05:59 PM	#66
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I'm just doing some basic testing w/ a few trades here -- looks like I can give you back 10:1 raws in/recip ratio pretty easily... you can use target tags also to hit the galleries. If you missed the link, it's http://www.theflyinc.com/models.html -- tonight babe and BJ/oral niches will be working... Get in big early and you'll have prime space on my submit page and your galleries will get preference in the pool...

01-02-2003, 06:24 PM	#67
Za Ha Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Still lost Posts: 5,112	Very interesting thread. It would be very nice to get some competition out on this market. That way the owner(s) would be forced to pay out more Also more choice would mean more clicks by the surfer when he visits the tgp. Therefore a new chocker system would be good. HOWEVER Chockers system is very big, and to make something new would require a webmaster who knows what he is doing. Cant be someone who will make a big program and then 404 all the pages (btw that would make lots of $$$ in a short period of time )and the webmaster must also be able to payout the THOUSANDS of dollars a day that chocker pays out. The owner would have to work very hard to get it running. Becuase if its down for more then a few hours webmasters will leave. I would expect that few people would leave chockers system, simply because it has no flaws in it. It is loading a bit slow lately but hopefully that will be fixed. I can see webmasters using chockers system along with the new but I dont see anyone leaving chockers program (especially not those how make a steady $200+ a day from sending hits to galleries). My

01-03-2003, 01:07 AM	#75
chewy Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1	This message got me annoyed enough that I decided to repost my comment from chickens message board: > to shitty galleries with virtually no profit expectation WTF?! Shitty galleries? Shitty Galleries!!! Uber-newbie here. I spent a mere $50 with chicken, and to date that has brought in $120. Can anyone say "friend for life"? Shitty galleries, ef him and his clone friends. I think his stupid comment pretty much sums it up -- TGPs are looking for too much free content and have completely lost touch with the concept of ROI. I'm going to babble, but honest to God (of your choice), I submitted a gallery with content that cost me $100 to 100 of the top TGPs via hand submission that returned 8 effing hits to the sponsor. Same dang sponsor that chicken turned a profit on with el cheapo content from the discount bin. So, FWIW, long live shitty galleries with virtually no profit expectation __________________ http://www.pictures-of-naked-women.net/

01-04-2003, 12:45 PM	#78
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	When Choker says this is the next big thing all over his sites -- I think he's right. I predict that by next year everyone will be trading by gallery rotation pools... People will be building TGP's in half the time using multiple GPR trades (see below). My system doesn't limit the webmaster to 10:1 ratio -- in fact you can get back much higher returns -- and the links are targeted to your site -- not just blind. The more people I get trading via the gallery pool method, the better the returns will be. Anyone else running a gallery pool -- we can put each other into the rotations to flesh out the gallery pools and then we can trade even more traffic. We should coin a term now because it's too fucking tiring to explain this process to people over and over... Let's just call it GPR (short for Gallery Pool Recips or Gallery Pool Rotation) -- so if you say "Hey let's do a GPR trade, it's much easier to understand than saying -- "Hey, sign up for this new thing where ya send to my gallery cgi pool rotator and then I send you back 10% blah blah" -- if you say GPR trading, it'll be very explicit. Also my system doesn't require a site approval process -- you can get a GPR trade going within 5 minutes.

01-04-2003, 12:50 PM	#79
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	you guys let me know when the master plan is finished. shemp __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

01-04-2003, 12:51 PM	#80
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	one thing people seem to forget about choker - sure he has a great script and a new idea, but the guy also WORKS like 12+ hours a day. He's ALWAYS online working - NOT pissing around. that's the real key, dedicated FOCUSED WORK towards ONE goal. too many idiots see the results and don't see the amount of work it took to get there. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

01-04-2003, 01:32 PM	#82
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Shemp, if you want, I can code "Shemp" niche pools -- just send me a pile of gallery URL's every time you update or however you want to work it and let me know how you want them organized... Like niche=shemphardcore or niche=shempsoftcore or whatever you want... I could build an easy to use URL on my site just for your webmasters where they can sign up to send traffic to the "shemp approved" gallery pools -- in exchange they get recip traffic! This expands clicks to gallerys that you post + I can include a special Shemp brand logo tacked on to the top of each Shemp approved gallery so that surfers know these galleries are all Shemp approved and you'll get traffic from that link too!

01-04-2003, 01:45 PM	#84
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Hey man I'm trying your system, it says "Please beware that the new site will be activated when you send an email to us here. ASAP. Therefore your site will show deactivated. You can link to the galleries right away, you'll still be credited the hits owed to you. You'll begin to receive trafic back when your site has been validated. Also beware that NO sites are allowed to display the links in ANY kind of console. This will delete your account instantly!" Does this mean no target=_blank tags? Do you consider that a console? I don't work off a 10:1 ratio so it's ok for webmasters to send traffic any way they feel like Each site will have a unique ratio depending on what niche they chose, traffic quality, etc.

01-04-2003, 01:50 PM	#85
OzKaNoz Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Deep With In Your Mind Posts: 1,834	Choker I'm sending a programmer your way that will fill your needs nicely! Oz __________________ Techie Media Web Hosting

01-06-2003, 02:06 AM	#88
whee Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: http://www.nightstation.com Posts: 1,375	Hi Fly, thx for the words! I've reduced the frames. Also the Q 'bout consoles. Taget=_blank is surly ok, what I ment was popping galleries onload or onunload. The system is aware of hitbots and a max value is set! Also plz read your mail. -W / http://www.exxxt.com

01-13-2003, 04:09 PM	#89
Snazzy Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 480	Fly, hit me up on ICQ - 916173 , I'm interested! __________________ Snazzy <font size="1"> SnazzyTGP.com Visit this site now or I'll kill you</font>