Fly, this means my counter will be delayed, right? :)




shemp

Even better is the fact that you can get sales with it.

I've made money from his traffic to one of my galleries and I know a number of other guys who have done the same.

MrThumbs, or Anyone for that matter :)

Have you had success with any deals via elance? I have been buttplugged by two incompetent programmers i hired via their site. both had 5 stars and all that happy horseshit. they should have had 5 turds next to their name. i would proceed with extreme caution when hiring someone from there. this is just my experience. as soon as you post on there, a few dozen barely english speaking people will promise you the moon. perhaps i just chose the wrong people.

:2 cents:

choker can u icq me? 46335817 i emailed u regarding traffic but no reply.

this reminds me the tgp2 concept, only this time is for more free porn. :glugglug

Recompile under FreeBSD and use the Poul-Henning's
md0 driver. (you can draw paralells to the old msdos
ramdisk)

I run my entire web root out of a 512meg memory disk,
loaded out of a compressed physical drive image. Then
only hit the drive for less used files. Adds about a minute
to the reboot time, but ups the response time around
150%.

You can save a lot too if you outsource to another country like romania, russia, india.

i have a pretty good gallery pool plus a bunch more to be added to it. icq in sig

By "work in RAM only", do you mean the script/module needs to stay cached in the webserver's memory space (doesn't unload between requests-- apache, iis, and aolserver each approach this differently), do you mean that you want to eliminate file io inter script time delays, or do you mean something different?

fly check out
www.cleangalleries.net

hit me up on ICQ i am interested
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From what I understand everything needs to stay in ram including the databases, the only writing to the hard drives would be like twice an hour just to back up the databases. I have been told that writing or reading hard drives for every request is what the problem is.

which db backend and webserver are you using?

hey fly .. icq me 8057295 .. i think we are already on each others list but i cant find u :-|

cgi, all flat text files the server runs apache. I can get whatever hardware/webserver is needed. I am really looking for someone to write this as a long term project. I can pay a writer for 40 hours a week on a permament basis if the price is right and he knows what he is doing.

Hi ya all
Actually we are also using a system like chokers, made for our own tgps some time ago. But plz feel free to use it or make comments about it! :)

http://www.exxxt.com

Just an update, my script is finished... Just need more galleries to put into rotation. If you want to participate you'll need to email me a minimum of 40 nice galleries organized by niche (sorry at this time I can't deal with amateur gallery builders) -- if you want in on this, ICQ me after you sign up for a trade...

http://www.theflyinc.com/models.html

ICQ #1622420 and I'll give you the niche specific gallery rotation links (for your TGPs or whatever) as I finish them -- the babes/models/pornstars category is ready to go... So basically you can can just send traffic to the free rotating gallery links and you get back targeted/non-blind recip traffic to any URL that you want. I'm pretty sure the recip ratios will be very nice -- let me know how you do... the #'s will improve as I get more trades... I'll do another more official post once I get more niche gallery pools ready.

Chocker, if you are interested in a C programmer i can maybe be of some help to you, contact me by ICQ it's in my Sign.

And yeah i can get for cheap...

Aolserver article

Aolserver with Oracle is the most scalable solution available. Aolserver offers the advantage of a stripped down, highly performant server kernel which keeps all tcl scripts resident in webserver memory space. Aolserver works natively with Oracle. Correctly configured, Oracle will handle checkpoints (diskwrites) in this manner.

I can install and configure this kind of setup for you. I know the guy who wrote the above article; he was my teacher. My C/C++ skills come primarly from working at Borland (working with C++ Builder) for 3 years. Translating c-based cgi over to tcl would be straightforward. This is certainly not the only way to do this, it's just the most forward thinking in terms of performance and reliability. A similar alternative is to use Aolserver and Postgresql, which has the advantage of not paying Oracle license fees, but sacrifices some scalability.

Lastly, you could stay with apache/cgi and just use a postgresql backend configured to use a big memory cache. That's probably the fastest conversion.

ICQ 13384735

Choker - if your cgi-script current script is running under perl - I'd suggest getting it cleaned up and running under mod_perl also ditch the text files and use mysql. (with enough RAM the database will stay in memory)

A colleague and I have recently converted a web application to mod_perl and the speed increases were about 2000-3000%. This was a monster application comprising of about 250,000 lines of code :)

Another suggestion is to use a load balanced set up.
For a high traffic intranet I recently used the following with startling results:

Local Director (does load balancing)
Database Server (Lots of Ram & Raid config)
3 x web servers (fairly standard PC's NOT servers)

You'd be suprised by the results on this setup - even though I was using PC's for the web servers :)

Thanks for the last two replies guys , but see this is the problem. Everyone suggests to do this a different way. I have no clue which way is best. It's like shopping for a car motor without knowing what size engine I need. I need a good coder who is tired of the down times in between free lancing and wants a decent weekly salery. Someone who can give me x amount of hours a week. Hell I can find him all the work he needs to keep him busy 40 hours a week or more. But I'm not going to pay free lancer prices when I can guarantee a permament job to someone. I make so may changes to my script it is enough to keep any writer busy.

It sounds like at this point you want less info saturation, rather than more, so I'll omit the detailed third party comparison of oracle, postgresql, and mysql. The guy who wrote that article is the #1 authority on webserver performance. He's also listed as the latest entry in the list of greatest all time contributions to computer science at MIT's Laboratory for Computer Science.

Neener, neener.

I'm interested in discussing that with you. icq 13384735

Ok choker, you didn't contact me and your still asking around, contact me and you will see....

ICQ# 166525277

choker's traffic is one big hokes spokes magic trick to me
but that's just me :1orglaugh

contact me if you have thumbnail spots available which link directly to real galleries at freeones.com Great addition to your site and you get paid for it (must be cheap price though) :2 cents:

freeones ICQ me :) #1622420 -- I'll look for you in my list too :)

As for how I'm going to scale my script when I get to 10,000,000 clicks/day I may just use a divide and conquor method so I don't have any one script counting too many hits... but my application is entirely different...

Mysql does not scale well.

It doesn't perform complex joins or subselects.
It doesn't natively support transactions.
It has no atomicity with regard to locking.
It has no support for stored procedures, triggers, or foreign keys.

With lots of simultaneous inserts/updates it will stall too much.

I'm just doing some basic testing w/ a few trades here -- looks like I can give you back 10:1 raws in/recip ratio pretty easily... you can use target tags also to hit the galleries.

If you missed the link, it's http://www.theflyinc.com/models.html -- tonight babe and BJ/oral niches will be working... Get in big early and you'll have prime space on my submit page and your galleries will get preference in the pool...

Very interesting thread.

It would be very nice to get some competition out on this market. That way the owner(s) would be forced to pay out more :) Also more choice would mean more clicks by the surfer when he visits the tgp. Therefore a new chocker system would be good.

HOWEVER

Chockers system is very big, and to make something new would require a webmaster who knows what he is doing. Cant be someone who will make a big program and then 404 all the pages (btw that would make lots of $$$ in a short period of time :Graucho )and the webmaster must also be able to payout the THOUSANDS of dollars a day that chocker pays out. The owner would have to work very hard to get it running. Becuase if its down for more then a few hours webmasters will leave.

I would expect that few people would leave chockers system, simply because it has no flaws in it. It is loading a bit slow lately but hopefully that will be fixed. I can see webmasters using chockers system along with the new but I dont see anyone leaving chockers program (especially not those how make a steady $200+ a day from sending hits to galleries).

My :2 cents:

I agree with you for the most part, however it does support transactions in the latest pro version.
I agree it does not have the power of the likes of oracle with those nasty joins and subselects.........I hate them anyway :)

However with a well optimized database schema it is amazingly fast..... if choker cgi was using text files before then this will probably be several thousand times faster than that so should be more than sufficient.

i totally agree -- since choker wants to see where the traffic is coming from -- you can't hide the URL so the surfer will get wise to it after a while if he's paying attention... still 10,000,000 can't be wrong -- but anyway because I'm offering my service 4 free I'll let you guys send traffic to the galleries any way you feel like it -- that includes target tags...

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payout the THOUSANDS of dollars a day that chocker pays out. The owner would have to work very hard to get it running. Becuase if its down for more then a few hours webmasters will leave.

Like i said, my service will be free... I'll continue to post gallery pools if you approach me -- provide me w/ a fair amont of recip traffic so I can get more traffic into the pools of galleries... basically this will be a tool to build lots of TGP traffic very quickly w/o doing very much work... Because I'm only dealing w/ large pools of galleries, cheating won't be much of an issue -- I used to run a TGP a long ass time ago and I prefer to work w/ a few gallery gurus that can pump out tons of galleries and so I don't have to waste time fumbling around looking for cheaters or 404 shit.

I can work with you on something like that, php/mysql could handle it with ease!

As long as he keeps things simple, this solution you're suggesting would fix the current bottleneck over the short term. It sounds like he is actually thinking of the future as well, and has his own hardware... so why use mysql over postgresql? it's kind of the same suggestion i made... but you're suggesting the _weaker_ free opensource dbms.

Running as you read, take a look:

http://www.exxxt.com

why not just use a spon. hosted galleries to fill in spots

Why not a shovel while we're at it... :1orglaugh
Nah, that's the prob, the galleries. I need atleast 2000 more by now. :)

This message got me annoyed enough that I decided to repost my comment from chickens message board:

> to shitty galleries with virtually no profit expectation

WTF?! Shitty galleries? Shitty Galleries!!! Uber-newbie here. I spent a mere $50 with chicken, and to date that has brought in $120. Can anyone say "friend for life"? Shitty galleries, ef him and his clone friends. I think his stupid comment pretty much sums it up -- TGPs are looking for too much free content and have completely lost touch with the concept of ROI.

I'm going to babble, but honest to God (of your choice), I submitted a gallery with content that cost me $100 to 100 of the top TGPs via hand submission that returned 8 effing hits to the sponsor. Same dang sponsor that chicken turned a profit on with el cheapo content from the discount bin.

So, FWIW, long live shitty galleries with virtually no profit expectation

Yes I am I'll make myself visible on ICQ

FUCKING SWEET MAN!!! Mine is ready also! I don't have as many niches as you -- I'm fleshing it out one niche at a time -- so far I have Movies, Babes/Models, Teens, and Blowjobs... I may add a hardcore category tonight before I launch this program.

When Choker says this is the next big thing all over his sites -- I think he's right. I predict that by next year everyone will be trading by gallery rotation pools... People will be building TGP's in half the time using multiple GPR trades (see below).

My system doesn't limit the webmaster to 10:1 ratio -- in fact you can get back much higher returns -- and the links are targeted to your site -- not just blind. The more people I get trading via the gallery pool method, the better the returns will be.

Anyone else running a gallery pool -- we can put each other into the rotations to flesh out the gallery pools and then we can trade even more traffic.

We should coin a term now because it's too fucking tiring to explain this process to people over and over... Let's just call it GPR (short for Gallery Pool Recips or Gallery Pool Rotation) -- so if you say "Hey let's do a GPR trade, it's much easier to understand than saying -- "Hey, sign up for this new thing where ya send to my gallery cgi pool rotator and then I send you back 10% blah blah" -- if you say GPR trading, it'll be very explicit.

Also my system doesn't require a site approval process -- you can get a GPR trade going within 5 minutes.

you guys let me know when the master plan is finished.




shemp

one thing people seem to forget about choker - sure he has a great script and a new idea, but the guy also WORKS like 12+ hours a day. He's ALWAYS online working - NOT pissing around.

that's the real key, dedicated FOCUSED WORK towards ONE goal.

too many idiots see the results and don't see the amount of work it took to get there.