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_Richard_ 06-08-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17228633)
I know what I know, and accept what I don't. The reality I cling to is.. reality. Planes crashed, people died. Missiles, conspiracies, cover-ups - doesn't matter, it's irrelevant.

It's a political issue for Americans, all your beliefs are tied into politics and all these other issues, your whole society is "us vs. them" - democrats vs. republicans, good vs. evil, truth vs. lies - you are raised this way.

So for you, if I'm not on your team, I must have some other, opposite beliefs that are just unacceptable. In the 9/11 context, this means that because I don't share your beliefs I am a 'sheep' who 'accepts the story' and I lack some kind of intellectual insight because I can't 'accept the truth'. I 'have my head in the sand' and can't 'wake up to what's really going on'. It's called the 'out-group homogeneity effect' whereby you apply the same attributes to all those who aren't part of your 'in-group'. You obviously hold a set of beliefs that are not up for debate, and regardless of what I might think, as soon as I don't hold those same beliefs.. that's the end of it.

The geo-political implications from the events of that day can be studied and argued and debated regardless of the method of the attack. Finding out the 'truth' is an empty pursuit and a playground for the small minded. But feel free to seek justice and some kind of great catharsis in discovering 'the truth'.

I'll end by saying - there is nothing to argue, your beliefs about 9/11 are religious in nature and there is no 'debate' or even intelligent conversion with a 9/11 zealot (irony intended).

what is your thoughts about the possibility of some sort of foul play?

you think it's 'empty-minded' to seek out truth? and the use of the internet, something still 'uncontrolled', if you will, as a method of doing so?

it amuses me when people try to shut other people down with big words, when they don't do anything themselves

much like a great catharsis

onwebcam 06-08-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17229249)
The Patriot Act accomplishes it's goal very effectively. Then you need a popular label for them: "Terrorists"

Then all they need is a place to put they people they round up, where they will be forever forgotten and permanently silenced: Guantanamo.

You'll note the genius and beauty of the label. "Terrorists" have no country. There is no clear enemy, which allows them to go after anyone they choose, anywhere. The label is generally accepted and construed as "an evil person that should be made not to exist immediately, no questions asked".

Bush really did push through a work of government art with the whole thing.

He was just a useful and "compromised" tool. :1orglaugh But on the subject they keep expanding this "terrorist" definition. IE fireworks and propane gas are the makings of a WMD thanks to the new Patsy. Happy 4th of July!


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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 17229250)
Threads like this serve the useful purpose of letting everyone know who are the biggest imbeciles on GFY. Thanks to all participants! :thumbsup

We're glad the imbecile-in-chief decided to drop in. Thanks! :thumbsup

leedsfan 06-08-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17229018)
lol @ source

lol@source

mayabong 06-08-2010 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17228926)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Amputate Your Head 06-08-2010 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 17229250)
Threads like this serve the useful purpose of letting everyone know who are the biggest imbeciles on GFY. Thanks to all participants! :thumbsup

I cannot speak for others, but I am quite comfortable with my intelligence level.

Amputate Your Head 06-08-2010 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229281)
He was just a useful and "compromised" tool. :1orglaugh But on the subject they keep expanding this "terrorist" definition. IE fireworks and propane gas are the makings of a WMD thanks to the new Patsy. Happy 4th of July!

Yeah, I didn't mean to suggest that Bush actually crafted any of it, he was a very obvious puppet. Just that he was the figurehead that signed off on it all.

Caligari 06-08-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 17229250)
Threads like this serve the useful purpose of letting everyone know who are the biggest imbeciles on GFY. Thanks to all participants! :thumbsup

and thank YOU for participating!

DEA - banned for life 06-08-2010 04:44 PM

is tired of all this bullshit talk ..im going fishin

http://smackedstupid.files.wordpress...-explosion.jpg

theking 06-08-2010 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229209)
As you're aware, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. But as a whole, not when there are multiple objectives. IE if you knew you were going to take down the social structure of a nation and/or many nations and dissolve their sovereignty in the near future you would need a "law" to go after the patriotic people who would disagree with that. Patriot Act.

Name one single American who merely "disagreed" and has been subjected to any part of the Patriot Act...out of the many thousands of people who openly disagreed.

onwebcam 06-08-2010 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17229402)
Name one single American who merely "disagreed" and has been subjected to any part of the Patriot Act...out of the many thousands of people who openly disagreed.

We haven't reached that point just yet.. But the patriot act has been used in numerous unrelated cases. Even drug cases.

Here are just a handful of stupid uses


Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process
www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/

Sneak-and-peek warrants debated
Patriot Act used to search for evidence in cockfighting case
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/au...rants-debated/

Patriot Act used to prosecute U.S. civilian
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...patriotact.htm

Patriot Act Used to Clear Out Homeless
http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/1840

Or just do some reading here

"On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens. [1]

On June 15, 2007, following an internal audit finding that FBI agents abused the USA PATRIOT Act power more than 1000 times, U.S. District Judge John D. Bates ordered the agency to begin turning over thousands of pages of documents related to the agency's national security letters program.[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv...SA_PATRIOT_Act

fatfoo 06-08-2010 05:35 PM

I used to know a guy from Afghanistan and his named was Abdul.

He told me they can get a driving license for a car at 12 years old. Wtf?

They also like to play cricket.

Dcat 06-08-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17229018)
lol @ source

I "almost" feel sorry for you. You got mind fucked so hard by the main stream media, you can't tell which way is up anymore.

:helpme

_Richard_ 06-08-2010 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229469)
We haven't reached that point just yet.. But the patriot act has been used in numerous unrelated cases. Even drug cases.

Here are just a handful of stupid uses


Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process
www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/

Sneak-and-peek warrants debated
Patriot Act used to search for evidence in cockfighting case
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/au...rants-debated/

Patriot Act used to prosecute U.S. civilian
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...patriotact.htm

Patriot Act Used to Clear Out Homeless
http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/1840

Or just do some reading here

"On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens. [1]

On June 15, 2007, following an internal audit finding that FBI agents abused the USA PATRIOT Act power more than 1000 times, U.S. District Judge John D. Bates ordered the agency to begin turning over thousands of pages of documents related to the agency's national security letters program.[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv...SA_PATRIOT_Act

your first link about the mom is incorrect, buddy called in bomb threats to get out of a test

onwebcam 06-08-2010 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17229535)
your first link about the mom is incorrect, buddy called in bomb threats to get out of a test

"Lundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not."

"We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution," she said. "It wasn't intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend."

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution, are null and void." Chief Justice Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 5, U.S. (Cranch) 137, 174,176

_Richard_ 06-08-2010 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229549)
"Lundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not."

"We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution," she said. "It wasn't intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend."

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution, are null and void." Chief Justice Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 5, U.S. (Cranch) 137, 174,176

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh thanks for clarifying the situation <3

directfiesta 06-08-2010 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17228571)
why is this turned into anti-semetism?

keep to the topic at hand.

if you cant understand what a highly advanced intelligence community is capable of their is no hope for you.

It always does ... like pulling an Ace out of your sleeve ... and it works ...

iseeyou 06-08-2010 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17228513)
So, lemme get this straight. Mossad pulls of the mother of all conspiracies without anyone knowing.. yet are so sloppy that some degenerate, paranoid loser on the internet is able to figure it out?

Why don't you go suck Dylan Avery's cock.

It's not so hard to figure out. It's hard to accept.

The "owner" of the WTC (at that time) has never been investigated. He is one of the biggest beneficiaries of 911. There will never be a fair investigation until he is seriously investigated.

Why do people assume the building owner was not invovled?? Maybe he hired those guys to fly planes into the buildings because he did not want to pay for asbestos removal and in order to collect insurance money. Makes sense to me.

Stop believing everything in the mainsteam news is the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

theking 06-08-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by iseeyou (Post 17229937)
It's not so hard to figure out. It's hard to accept.

The "owner" of the WTC (at that time) has never been investigated. He is one of the biggest beneficiaries of 911. There will never be a fair investigation until he is seriously investigated.

Why do people assume the building owner was not invovled?? Maybe he hired those guys to fly planes into the buildings because he did not want to pay for asbestos removal and in order to collect insurance money. Makes sense to me.

Stop believing everything in the mainsteam news is the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I can assure you that his insurance company investigated the matter or they would not have paid the claim.

dyna mo 06-08-2010 09:45 PM

nvermnd......

MetaMan 06-08-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17229967)
I can assure you that his insurance company investigated the matter or they would not have paid the claim.

i dont understand how you can support Israel and supposedly love america. it is mind boggling.

MetaMan 06-08-2010 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17229756)
It always does ... like pulling an Ace out of your sleeve ... and it works ...

i have a feeling iran is next also. it doesnt matter how clear things are people will continue to blindly support israel.

fucking Rothschilds are the sons of Satan.

theking 06-08-2010 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17229972)
i dont understand how you can support Israel and supposedly love america. it is mind boggling.

I have repeatedly stated that I am not a big fan of Israel...sport.

MetaMan 06-08-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17229977)
I have repeatedly stated that I am not a big fan of Israel...sport.

well at least we agree there.

especially if you are a military supporter. they are killing our youth to fight Israels wars.

theking 06-08-2010 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17229985)
well at least we agree there.

especially if you are a military supporter. they are killing our youth to fight Israels wars.

You are entitled to have your opinion...but just be aware that your opinion does not make something fact or true...and I disagree with your last statement for a number of reasons...which I will not take the time to go into.

mayabong 06-08-2010 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17229985)
well at least we agree there.

especially if you are a military supporter. they are killing our youth to fight Israels wars.

True this, not to mention poisioning everything with DU. Sick fuckers...

Gotta know the dark side if you wanna know the light side I guess.

iseeyou 06-08-2010 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17229967)
I can assure you that his insurance company investigated the matter or they would not have paid the claim.

Private Insurance companies are not government agencies. They do not have powers of police. They can not issue subpoenas. They can not legally force Mr. Silverstein to talk about 911.

Larry Silverstein sued his insurers because he was not satisfied with their payout. He took them to court. Insurance companies can not simply deny claims because they merely suspect fraud. If they do, you can sue an insurance company in court and win if there is no proof (or at least major evidence) of fraud.

How can the insurance company prove fraud against Silverstein if the police won't investigate him for fraud?? It's not easy to do with only private investigators hired by his insurers. To be honest, I dont know if his insurers even tried to investigate him for fraud. I suspect international terrorism might be too much too handle for an insurance company.

iseeyou 06-08-2010 11:31 PM

Here's a good example of something which looks like an inside job.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=91b_1187998483

The police "dont have any suspects" (uhh....what about the employees and the owner?).

Isn't that amazing!! Makes you wonder how much care and effort the police put into insurance fraud investigations.

If the insurance company refuses to payout, the owner can sue his insurer and say in court "the police investigated and never even accused me of fraud".

Same as Silverstein can say "the government investigated 911 but never even accused me of involvement or fraud, so pay me".

Dirty Dane 06-08-2010 11:33 PM

Yes, of course I believe it. Islamic terrorists blew things up before and after 9/11, but they wouldn't do that to USA. They love USA.

ottopottomouse 06-09-2010 03:06 AM

911 threads seem a bit like poking your head in a wasps nest.

onwebcam 06-09-2010 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17230149)
Yes, of course I believe it. Islamic terrorists blew things up before and after 9/11, but they wouldn't do that to USA. They love USA.


MetaMan 06-09-2010 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17230149)
Yes, of course I believe it. Islamic terrorists blew things up before and after 9/11, but they wouldn't do that to USA. They love USA.

why dont you provide examples instead of just making a blanket statement?

do you think you are cool by being sarcastic?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=H2CVAnRByfg

look anyone with half a brain understands why it was Israel. Keep supporting the terror state.

----
did you know Israel was built by the very same people who funded the nazi war?

go do some research. you will understand. but you wont because you are to smart to do research of your own aren't you?

dyna mo 06-09-2010 08:23 AM

i still would like to know why mossad chose to go with 9/11 as the instrument to get u.s. to invade iraq instead of planting WMDs in iraq, which is what prompted the invasion.

a youtube video would be nice, an article at infowars, something-

where's the connecting the dots on this plan/scheme?

Agent 488 06-09-2010 08:26 AM

http://www.antiwar.com/israeli-files.php

MetaMan 06-09-2010 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17231044)
i still would like to know why mossad chose to go with 9/11 as the instrument to get u.s. to invade iraq instead of planting WMDs in iraq, which is what prompted the invasion.

a youtube video would be nice, an article at infowars, something-

where's the connecting the dots on this plan/scheme?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=H2CVAnRByfg

um what? how do you plan on driving a truck of nukes into Iraq and planting them?

911 is the perfect push for the american public. when you create hate for a group you can go to war against them for generations because you convince society they are evil.

MetaMan 06-09-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17231044)
i still would like to know why mossad chose to go with 9/11 as the instrument to get u.s. to invade iraq instead of planting WMDs in iraq, which is what prompted the invasion.

a youtube video would be nice, an article at infowars, something-

where's the connecting the dots on this plan/scheme?

what did the american public do when they admitted there are no WMDs? absolutely nothing. are they still in Iraq?

yes they are.

why? because at that point the spin against the muslims was complete and to the average american it didnt matter about the reason anymore. all that matter was them being labeled "terrorists".

reasons dont matter if you convince people something is evil or good. either way. if you convince people of a base issue the truth behind it no longer matters. it becomes a truth if enough people support it.

Caligari 06-09-2010 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17230415)
911 threads seem a bit like poking your head in a wasps nest.

or more like a hornets nest as performed by Tenacious D


dyna mo 06-09-2010 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 17231054)

thanks for the link, many of those links on that page are dead but the ones that are not are re: israel espionage inside the u.s. and whether or not they had fore-knowledge of the arab attack.

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17231055)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=H2CVAnRByfg

um what? how do you plan on driving a truck of nukes into Iraq and planting them?

911 is the perfect push for the american public. when you create hate for a group you can go to war against them for generations because you convince society they are evil.

you are joking right? so let me get this straight- you are pulling the *um, what* shit on me? i haven't discounted a single fucking thing about your theory, simply asking for some sort of backing up of it. but if you really think planting a WMD in iraq is more complicated than faking hijacking 4 commercial airlines, loading 2 skyscrapers with remote detonated nano-thermite, *pulling* bldg #7, and firing a tomahawk into the pentagon is easier, well, you wrote that, not me

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17231070)
what did the american public do when they admitted there are no WMDs? absolutely nothing. are they still in Iraq?

yes they are.

why? because at that point the spin against the muslims was complete and to the average american it didnt matter about the reason anymore. all that matter was them being labeled "terrorists".

reasons dont matter if you convince people something is evil or good. either way. if you convince people of a base issue the truth behind it no longer matters. it becomes a truth if enough people support it.

now it's my turn- um, what.

MetaMan 06-09-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17231116)
you are joking right? so let me get this straight- you are pulling the *um, what* shit on me? i haven't discounted a single fucking thing about your theory, simply asking for some sort of backing up of it. but if you really think planting a WMD in iraq is more complicated than faking hijacking 4 commercial airlines, loading 2 skyscrapers with remote detonated nano-thermite, *pulling* bldg #7, and firing a tomahawk into the pentagon is easier, well, you wrote that, not me

please point out where i said it was a controlled demolition? you are making things up i never said now. no i didnt write that. read back point it out. did you even read the thread?

you dont understand. it is about public support, a terrorist attack has to happen to drill up public support. nothing pisses people off than something that happens in their own backdoor.

finding WMDs people would want them to bomb and leave, when you tie in a terrorist twist it gives you an excuse to stay there forever because you are "preventing future terrorist attacks".

if you somehow think planting bombs is easier then obtaining phony passports you are nuts.

i am not "um whating" you in a bad way either. dont take it personally.

ottopottomouse 06-09-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 17231099)
or more like a hornets nest as performed by Tenacious D


Never seen that before :thumbsup

MetaMan 06-09-2010 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17231116)
you are joking right? so let me get this straight- you are pulling the *um, what* shit on me? i haven't discounted a single fucking thing about your theory, simply asking for some sort of backing up of it. but if you really think planting a WMD in iraq is more complicated than faking hijacking 4 commercial airlines, loading 2 skyscrapers with remote detonated nano-thermite, *pulling* bldg #7, and firing a tomahawk into the pentagon is easier, well, you wrote that, not me

this isnt about Iraq or even Afghanistan this is about every single muslim in the middle east. the jews want to eradicate them.

Iran is next.

you create a terrorist attack you piss people off. people will turn a blind eye after that. finding WMDs is not enough of an excuse to attack multiple countries.

everything ties back to "terror" now.

read above also.


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