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Amputate Your Head 06-08-2010 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17228797)
hell, either one! :1orglaugh
Well, to answer your 9/11 motive question, there is and has always been only one motive.

Control Of Oil.

mayabong 06-08-2010 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17229044)
Well, to answer your 9/11 motive question, there is and has always been only one motive.

Control Of Oil.
God gave israel the Nile to the Euphrates or some shit, I think thats also a motive. I seriously doubt gods chosen people are happy with that little slither of land they have at the moment.

onwebcam 06-08-2010 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17229043)
Really? When in doubt, accuse the other guy of being gay? How high-brow of you - demonize and marginalize, I guess both sides use the same tactics? What a sorry, pathetic scene US politics is.. I thought Canada was bad but you guys know no bounds.
Compromised "leaders" are easier to control. As in they aren't/weren't in control.

Amputate Your Head 06-08-2010 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mayabong (Post 17229052)
God gave israel the Nile to the Euphrates or some shit, I think thats also a motive. I seriously doubt gods chosen people are happy with that little slither of land they have at the moment.
"God" didn't give anyone anything. God is a fairy tale for grown-ups. If any country wants to control more land, they do it by killing other people. God has nothing to do with it.

Dollarmansteve 06-08-2010 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Caligari (Post 17229035)
I don't think you're a lost soul, i think you're being revolves around applied ignorance which is far more tragic.
Is that what you need to believe to feel like you 'won'? The ego is insatiable, I know, it's the great weakness of all people.

As I've said, you needn't worry about how tragic my existence is - don't pity me. I haven't chosen your enlightened path.. so I'm doomed to eternal darkness. Maybe some day I will see the truth of 'the word' and I will let the loving glowing warm glowing love of the truth of 9/11 fill my heart with joy and be cleansed of my sins of ignorance. Until then - pray for me - or whatever it is that your 'religion' does when it can't convert a heathen.

Serge Litehead 06-08-2010 02:52 PM
I haven't made up my mind about Israel yet
I know some good Jewish people as well seen some sleazy Jews - that's like with any other nation.

What I think is alarming and disturbing if some of our top officials actually do have dual citizenships and or served some high ranks previously in gov/military/intelligence of other countries - this is imo a national security bridge, if that is true, 911 conspiracy may well be a real conspiracy - this i'm not dismissing yet.

Dollarmansteve 06-08-2010 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229061)
Compromised "leaders" are easier to control.
do you have a button on your keyboard that just spews random sociopathic jibberish? Have you thought about medication?

Caligari 06-08-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17229068)
Is that what you need to believe to feel like you 'won'?
Now you see, that wasn't so bad was it? The first step towards being enlightened is admitting defeat.

I sense there is hope for you yet in the eternal darkness:winkwink:

Deej 06-08-2010 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17229063)
"God" didn't give anyone anything. God is a fairy tale for grown-ups. If any country wants to control more land, they do it by killing other people. God has nothing to do with it.
but its ok if you kill in the name of god...

Dollarmansteve 06-08-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17229096)
but its ok if you kill in the name of god...
in communist Russia, god kills in name of YOU!

CaptainHowdy 06-08-2010 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17229100)
in communist Russia, god kills in name of YOU!
Those were the days...

Amputate Your Head 06-08-2010 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 17229096)
but its ok if you kill in the name of god...
Doesn't really matter. Killing is killing. Putting a label or psuedo-reason on it doesn't make them extra dead. But generally, killing "in the name of God" is only subscribed to by the lower minions. No true leader is dumb enough to actually buy into their own bullshit. That's the stuff you feed 'the people' so they work for you.

Amputate Your Head 06-08-2010 03:09 PM
Suicide bombers are a prime example of that. The bomber thinks he's doing something for "god" and is going to float around in the sky with the big invisible man and all his hoes. But to the General, or President, or King, or [insert leader title here], that idiot with a bomb strapped to his chest is nothing more than a single-use weapon to be used towards a bigger goal.

onwebcam 06-08-2010 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17229085)
do you have a button on your keyboard that just spews random sociopathic jibberish? Have you thought about medication?
What medications do you suggest Doc? Any personal preferences? If I haven't tried it over the years during one of my self-medicated periods I'll be sure to give it a try sometime down the road..:1orglaugh Nothing has ever seemed to do as good as an ice cold beer.

dyna mo 06-08-2010 03:27 PM
re: the op,

wouldn't it of been much more simple if the mossad planted WMDs in iraq?

dav3 06-08-2010 03:31 PM
Some good points in here, a lot to think about. Some one, probably other than who the mindfuck-media pinpointed, was behind this. Whoever it was needs to fucking pay dearly.

onwebcam 06-08-2010 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 17229193)
re: the op,

wouldn't it of been much more simple if the mossad planted WMDs in iraq?
As you're aware, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. But as a whole, not when there are multiple objectives. IE if you knew you were going to take down the social structure of a nation and/or many nations and dissolve their sovereignty in the near future you would need a "law" to go after the patriotic people who would disagree with that. Patriot Act.

Amputate Your Head 06-08-2010 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229209)
As you're aware, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. But as a whole, not when there are multiple objectives. IE if you knew you were going to take down the social structure of a nation and/or many nations and dissolve their sovereignty in the near future you would need a "law" to go after the patriotic people who would disagree with that. Patriot Act.
The Patriot Act accomplishes it's goal very effectively. Then you need a popular label for them: "Terrorists"

Then all they need is a place to put they people they round up, where they will be forever forgotten and permanently silenced: Guantanamo.

You'll note the genius and beauty of the label. "Terrorists" have no country. There is no clear enemy, which allows them to go after anyone they choose, anywhere. The label is generally accepted and construed as "an evil person that should be made not to exist immediately, no questions asked".

Bush really did push through a work of government art with the whole thing.

cykoe6 06-08-2010 03:48 PM
Threads like this serve the useful purpose of letting everyone know who are the biggest imbeciles on GFY. Thanks to all participants! :thumbsup

dyna mo 06-08-2010 03:54 PM
your welcome!

i have zero probs accepting whatever level of intelligence i has.

_Richard_ 06-08-2010 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17228633)
I know what I know, and accept what I don't. The reality I cling to is.. reality. Planes crashed, people died. Missiles, conspiracies, cover-ups - doesn't matter, it's irrelevant.

It's a political issue for Americans, all your beliefs are tied into politics and all these other issues, your whole society is "us vs. them" - democrats vs. republicans, good vs. evil, truth vs. lies - you are raised this way.

So for you, if I'm not on your team, I must have some other, opposite beliefs that are just unacceptable. In the 9/11 context, this means that because I don't share your beliefs I am a 'sheep' who 'accepts the story' and I lack some kind of intellectual insight because I can't 'accept the truth'. I 'have my head in the sand' and can't 'wake up to what's really going on'. It's called the 'out-group homogeneity effect' whereby you apply the same attributes to all those who aren't part of your 'in-group'. You obviously hold a set of beliefs that are not up for debate, and regardless of what I might think, as soon as I don't hold those same beliefs.. that's the end of it.

The geo-political implications from the events of that day can be studied and argued and debated regardless of the method of the attack. Finding out the 'truth' is an empty pursuit and a playground for the small minded. But feel free to seek justice and some kind of great catharsis in discovering 'the truth'.

I'll end by saying - there is nothing to argue, your beliefs about 9/11 are religious in nature and there is no 'debate' or even intelligent conversion with a 9/11 zealot (irony intended).
what is your thoughts about the possibility of some sort of foul play?

you think it's 'empty-minded' to seek out truth? and the use of the internet, something still 'uncontrolled', if you will, as a method of doing so?

it amuses me when people try to shut other people down with big words, when they don't do anything themselves

much like a great catharsis

onwebcam 06-08-2010 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17229249)
The Patriot Act accomplishes it's goal very effectively. Then you need a popular label for them: "Terrorists"

Then all they need is a place to put they people they round up, where they will be forever forgotten and permanently silenced: Guantanamo.

You'll note the genius and beauty of the label. "Terrorists" have no country. There is no clear enemy, which allows them to go after anyone they choose, anywhere. The label is generally accepted and construed as "an evil person that should be made not to exist immediately, no questions asked".

Bush really did push through a work of government art with the whole thing.
He was just a useful and "compromised" tool. :1orglaugh But on the subject they keep expanding this "terrorist" definition. IE fireworks and propane gas are the makings of a WMD thanks to the new Patsy. Happy 4th of July!


Quote:
Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 17229250)
Threads like this serve the useful purpose of letting everyone know who are the biggest imbeciles on GFY. Thanks to all participants! :thumbsup
We're glad the imbecile-in-chief decided to drop in. Thanks! :thumbsup

leedsfan 06-08-2010 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17229018)
lol @ source
lol@source

mayabong 06-08-2010 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Coup (Post 17228926)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Amputate Your Head 06-08-2010 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 17229250)
Threads like this serve the useful purpose of letting everyone know who are the biggest imbeciles on GFY. Thanks to all participants! :thumbsup
I cannot speak for others, but I am quite comfortable with my intelligence level.

Amputate Your Head 06-08-2010 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229281)
He was just a useful and "compromised" tool. :1orglaugh But on the subject they keep expanding this "terrorist" definition. IE fireworks and propane gas are the makings of a WMD thanks to the new Patsy. Happy 4th of July!
Yeah, I didn't mean to suggest that Bush actually crafted any of it, he was a very obvious puppet. Just that he was the figurehead that signed off on it all.

Caligari 06-08-2010 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 17229250)
Threads like this serve the useful purpose of letting everyone know who are the biggest imbeciles on GFY. Thanks to all participants! :thumbsup
and thank YOU for participating!

DEA - banned for life 06-08-2010 04:44 PM
is tired of all this bullshit talk ..im going fishin

http://smackedstupid.files.wordpress...-explosion.jpg

theking 06-08-2010 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229209)
As you're aware, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11. But as a whole, not when there are multiple objectives. IE if you knew you were going to take down the social structure of a nation and/or many nations and dissolve their sovereignty in the near future you would need a "law" to go after the patriotic people who would disagree with that. Patriot Act.
Name one single American who merely "disagreed" and has been subjected to any part of the Patriot Act...out of the many thousands of people who openly disagreed.

onwebcam 06-08-2010 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17229402)
Name one single American who merely "disagreed" and has been subjected to any part of the Patriot Act...out of the many thousands of people who openly disagreed.
We haven't reached that point just yet.. But the patriot act has been used in numerous unrelated cases. Even drug cases.

Here are just a handful of stupid uses


Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process
www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/

Sneak-and-peek warrants debated
Patriot Act used to search for evidence in cockfighting case
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/au...rants-debated/

Patriot Act used to prosecute U.S. civilian
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...patriotact.htm

Patriot Act Used to Clear Out Homeless
http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/1840

Or just do some reading here

"On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens. [1]

On June 15, 2007, following an internal audit finding that FBI agents abused the USA PATRIOT Act power more than 1000 times, U.S. District Judge John D. Bates ordered the agency to begin turning over thousands of pages of documents related to the agency's national security letters program.[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv...SA_PATRIOT_Act

fatfoo 06-08-2010 05:35 PM
I used to know a guy from Afghanistan and his named was Abdul.

He told me they can get a driving license for a car at 12 years old. Wtf?

They also like to play cricket.

Dcat 06-08-2010 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17229018)
lol @ source
I "almost" feel sorry for you. You got mind fucked so hard by the main stream media, you can't tell which way is up anymore.

:helpme

_Richard_ 06-08-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229469)
We haven't reached that point just yet.. But the patriot act has been used in numerous unrelated cases. Even drug cases.

Here are just a handful of stupid uses


Mom says Patriot Act stripped son of due process
www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/

Sneak-and-peek warrants debated
Patriot Act used to search for evidence in cockfighting case
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/au...rants-debated/

Patriot Act used to prosecute U.S. civilian
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...patriotact.htm

Patriot Act Used to Clear Out Homeless
http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/1840

Or just do some reading here

"On March 9, 2007, a Justice Department audit found that the FBI had "improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA PATRIOT Act to secretly obtain personal information" about United States citizens. [1]

On June 15, 2007, following an internal audit finding that FBI agents abused the USA PATRIOT Act power more than 1000 times, U.S. District Judge John D. Bates ordered the agency to begin turning over thousands of pages of documents related to the agency's national security letters program.[2]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controv...SA_PATRIOT_Act
your first link about the mom is incorrect, buddy called in bomb threats to get out of a test

onwebcam 06-08-2010 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 17229535)
your first link about the mom is incorrect, buddy called in bomb threats to get out of a test
"Lundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not."

"We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution," she said. "It wasn't intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend."

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution, are null and void." Chief Justice Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 5, U.S. (Cranch) 137, 174,176

_Richard_ 06-08-2010 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 17229549)
"Lundeby told the officers that someone had hacked into her son's IP address and was using it to make crank calls connected through the Internet, making it look like the calls had originated from her home when they did not."

"We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution," she said. "It wasn't intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of the night on a charge that we can't even defend."

"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution, are null and void." Chief Justice Marshall, Marbury v. Madison, 5, U.S. (Cranch) 137, 174,176
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh thanks for clarifying the situation <3

directfiesta 06-08-2010 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17228571)
why is this turned into anti-semetism?

keep to the topic at hand.

if you cant understand what a highly advanced intelligence community is capable of their is no hope for you.
It always does ... like pulling an Ace out of your sleeve ... and it works ...

iseeyou 06-08-2010 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve (Post 17228513)
So, lemme get this straight. Mossad pulls of the mother of all conspiracies without anyone knowing.. yet are so sloppy that some degenerate, paranoid loser on the internet is able to figure it out?

Why don't you go suck Dylan Avery's cock.
It's not so hard to figure out. It's hard to accept.

The "owner" of the WTC (at that time) has never been investigated. He is one of the biggest beneficiaries of 911. There will never be a fair investigation until he is seriously investigated.

Why do people assume the building owner was not invovled?? Maybe he hired those guys to fly planes into the buildings because he did not want to pay for asbestos removal and in order to collect insurance money. Makes sense to me.

Stop believing everything in the mainsteam news is the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

theking 06-08-2010 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by iseeyou (Post 17229937)
It's not so hard to figure out. It's hard to accept.

The "owner" of the WTC (at that time) has never been investigated. He is one of the biggest beneficiaries of 911. There will never be a fair investigation until he is seriously investigated.

Why do people assume the building owner was not invovled?? Maybe he hired those guys to fly planes into the buildings because he did not want to pay for asbestos removal and in order to collect insurance money. Makes sense to me.

Stop believing everything in the mainsteam news is the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
I can assure you that his insurance company investigated the matter or they would not have paid the claim.

dyna mo 06-08-2010 09:45 PM
nvermnd......

MetaMan 06-08-2010 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17229967)
I can assure you that his insurance company investigated the matter or they would not have paid the claim.
i dont understand how you can support Israel and supposedly love america. it is mind boggling.

MetaMan 06-08-2010 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17229756)
It always does ... like pulling an Ace out of your sleeve ... and it works ...
i have a feeling iran is next also. it doesnt matter how clear things are people will continue to blindly support israel.

fucking Rothschilds are the sons of Satan.

theking 06-08-2010 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17229972)
i dont understand how you can support Israel and supposedly love america. it is mind boggling.
I have repeatedly stated that I am not a big fan of Israel...sport.

MetaMan 06-08-2010 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17229977)
I have repeatedly stated that I am not a big fan of Israel...sport.
well at least we agree there.

especially if you are a military supporter. they are killing our youth to fight Israels wars.

theking 06-08-2010 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17229985)
well at least we agree there.

especially if you are a military supporter. they are killing our youth to fight Israels wars.
You are entitled to have your opinion...but just be aware that your opinion does not make something fact or true...and I disagree with your last statement for a number of reasons...which I will not take the time to go into.

mayabong 06-08-2010 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 17229985)
well at least we agree there.

especially if you are a military supporter. they are killing our youth to fight Israels wars.
True this, not to mention poisioning everything with DU. Sick fuckers...

Gotta know the dark side if you wanna know the light side I guess.

iseeyou 06-08-2010 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by theking (Post 17229967)
I can assure you that his insurance company investigated the matter or they would not have paid the claim.
Private Insurance companies are not government agencies. They do not have powers of police. They can not issue subpoenas. They can not legally force Mr. Silverstein to talk about 911.

Larry Silverstein sued his insurers because he was not satisfied with their payout. He took them to court. Insurance companies can not simply deny claims because they merely suspect fraud. If they do, you can sue an insurance company in court and win if there is no proof (or at least major evidence) of fraud.

How can the insurance company prove fraud against Silverstein if the police won't investigate him for fraud?? It's not easy to do with only private investigators hired by his insurers. To be honest, I dont know if his insurers even tried to investigate him for fraud. I suspect international terrorism might be too much too handle for an insurance company.

iseeyou 06-08-2010 11:31 PM
Here's a good example of something which looks like an inside job.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=91b_1187998483

The police "dont have any suspects" (uhh....what about the employees and the owner?).

Isn't that amazing!! Makes you wonder how much care and effort the police put into insurance fraud investigations.

If the insurance company refuses to payout, the owner can sue his insurer and say in court "the police investigated and never even accused me of fraud".

Same as Silverstein can say "the government investigated 911 but never even accused me of involvement or fraud, so pay me".

Dirty Dane 06-08-2010 11:33 PM
Yes, of course I believe it. Islamic terrorists blew things up before and after 9/11, but they wouldn't do that to USA. They love USA.

ottopottomouse 06-09-2010 03:06 AM
911 threads seem a bit like poking your head in a wasps nest.

onwebcam 06-09-2010 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 17230149)
Yes, of course I believe it. Islamic terrorists blew things up before and after 9/11, but they wouldn't do that to USA. They love USA.


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