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Let me just double check to make sure I got this down right.... The police killed an unarmed man (for all intents and purposes when you're up against a whole precinct of police armed with guns & tasers) by forcing him off a cliff after tasering him in the back, twice, and you support that because you think they have better things to do?
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this is not, nor will it ever be the first or last time cops taser someone who is on a ledge, cliff, balcony, possibly not all there mentally etc... tasering is supposed to occur when the officer is under attack or threatened, fear of life or death stuff.
Murderer or not, the cops werent in fear of their life at all thats for sure, they tasered him for no real reason, media will just say "he jumped" And thats that. However, if he killed someone in my family I wouldnt care, but thats not really how the system works. So how the cops handle the situation then becomes discussion, but only amongst civilians, media doesnt care nor do the higher up cops. The bad guy = dead is happy ending. Whether or not the cops should taser people in these instances, = nothing more than debate amongst the third class.
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They took too much time, deadly force should have been authorized way before that point.
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"What should they have done?"
Already stated. Waited him out. All you needed was 1 officer who was trained at something important.. listening. Engaging. Talking him down. But it clearly wasn't "worth it". I'm not sure they'd think I was worth it either. How could I know?
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They should have hired a rodeo cowboy to lasso his ass and drag him away.
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Cops are, generally, lower-educated and blue collar and working class. they tend to be the kind of people who, in High School, got off on beating other kids up. So they go right from HS into "da Force" and pretty much stop developing as human beings and begin punching the clock, hoping for that twenty year pension.
So these lower-intelligence people - cops - got frustrated by standing around for eight hours and did what dumb, uneducated, frustrated people DO when confronted by situations they cannot understand or control: they got violent. BIG shock. Horrible situation, all around, from soup to nuts, from samuarai sword to tazer.
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" hi can i get authorization to kill this dude ? " " what is he doing ? " " nothing we are just really bored , and it is hot out " " ok kill him then "
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should have taken a lesson from Red Dead Redemtion (been playing it all weekend) and lasso'd the fucker...
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You seem to have forgotten he already killed someone and hurt others? Clearly he is a threat to others and himself, clearly he isn't innocent... And if you have a weapon, and you threaten a Cop - they don't really have to ask to use deadly force.
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I've seen that video several times now and I don't remember seeing him even once threaten the police with his prop sword.
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You watched 30 seconds of a full day event and didn't see him threaten them... technically speaking, it makes no difference who you threaten, even yourself. Deadly force doesn't always mean you have to kill them. It's about stopping the situation, when nothing else is working. It can be used when a person is running that 'could' cause harm to another person - and this is a prime example of when it should have been used.
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What situation were they stopping?
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Of course the difference is the animal isn't holding a sword that also killed and hurt others with the sword.
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Maybe a person that will harm others trying to escape, again?
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Right. The animal has teeth and claws that will kill a person much more effectively than some stressed out dude literally on the brink.
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He was surrounded by 30-40 cops with nowhere to run. Where was he going to go? Are you suggesting that many cops can't contain one guy without him escaping that situation? If that's true, then the police are much more inept than I originally thought.
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He wasn't corned when he was running...
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Are you suggesting one of the cops should have jumped and tackled him? Cause that would be a bit nuts... probably why they tried tasers and when those failed they should have shot him... it might have saved his life.
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on the one hand, some are saying that the police shouldn't be tied up or bothered chasing down and arresting a murder suspect because they have "better things to do" and should just start shooting people to speed things along. On the other hand, I'm hearing from you now that it was a "handful" of poor helpless policeman. So, if it was a "handful", (sure looked like more than a "handful" to me)... what was so pressing that they needed to be pulled away in such a hurry that summary execution was the only alternative? Distraction, confusion, back-patting, misdirection, deceit, and straight up lying. That's how cover-ups work.
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See, this is where this becomes identical to the "Dont tase me bro'!" guy! There was hundreds and hundreds of pounds of cop, everywhere. Neither of these boneheads was "going" anywhere but DOWN and everyone knew it.
I dont understand why tasers are even legal to unholster when there is overwhelming police already present. Propose that bill and it'll pass into law. Seems that after the guy fell, nobody had trouble getting to the bottom. In fact, the ENTIRE thing was filmed from below. It was not hard to get down there and try to prevent another senseless death and rob the victims families of justice.
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It was 7 police officers on Video... Clearly by the video he was standing free, not cornered then he started down the cliff and the police engaged him. No distractions, confusions or anything of the such. They should have used deadly force on him when he was running or when he threatened to kill himself or at the moment when he tried to escape again. All of which would have probably stopped the current situation from happening.
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strange opinions in this thread..
police job to apprehend the suspect, if suspect resist or a become a threat the suspect must be "neutralized (not killed)", this is the job of the police. no doubt the suspect in this question would have hurt anyone coming near him, he was on a suicide mission and was not going to be talked "out of killing" himself or others..
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Hey Doc, calm down. Here's a fucking suggestion for the police:
How about shooting the fucker in the LEG? How about shooting him with a dart like they do wild animals to make them go to sleep? (The lasso idea wouldn't work cause he'd chop his way out with the sword.) Sorry Doc but I'm with AmputateyourHead on this one. The cops had HOURS to think this thing through, to try alternative methods of stopping/capturing this dude. All they did is what I posted above; in frustration do what small-minded people ALWAYS do: resort to the simplest, most cowardly form of violence available. No defending these cops. But then again, I live in NYC and am used to many people defending the Police no matter WHAT they do and justifying it by saying "I felt threatened so BLAM!"
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I understand why they didn't shoot him at the cliff - even though it should have been authorized to do so. However if they missed or the round went through, it could hit a house or person below them. Once he proceeded to back up to the edge of the cliff and look like he was going down the cliff, the cops did what they could to stop him, which didn't work. If they would have only used deadly force sooner, he would probably be alive. I'm not really sure what alternative solution you think the cops should have taken.
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I'm about as calm as I can get...
Btw.. I was a Cop/Mp and no longer am for more than one reason, but one being the hypocritical double standard that most "not all" cops have. I'm all up for bashing.... But for every bad dirty cop, you have a straight shooter doing everything he can by the books and breaking no laws himself - 100% dedicated to the job. It's not a one way door as many in this thread like to paint.
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When your wanted for murder anyway what else is there to do?
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What a horrible shot, why can't the show the shot with that other camera that didn't have the tree blocking it.
I'm sure his family will be suing.
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I would assume we don't have tranq darts, or they aren't safe to shoot humans with, maybe nobody is trained on them. But probably no law that authorized the use of them would be my guess. Why didn't they use rubber bullets, sand bags, pepper spray, flash bangs? They have like 100 things they 'could have done' but those are authorized for use under different situations.
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Are you now saying the cops knew he would fall off the cliff so they let him?
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They didn't "let" him fall, they caused it.
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And see how many you successfully complete. Then we can determine whether or not this man was able to "leap" off that cliff or had a "choice" in anything at that point.
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As we can see from the Video, this person could move with several tasers in him, he moved without issue. It's not an uncommon thing, people even get up and run, scream stop... all types of shit.
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How can that be common, and still "work in almost all situations, but not all." ? Sounds like police propaganda straight out the good 'ol boy handbook to me.
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Wow, I am WAY too tired to respond to what was said above. Whew! The Never-Ending Argument.
But I WILL say this Doc - no offense to cops who are, like you said, trying to do the right thing and working their asses off in a tough job. Again, a New Yorker beholden to cops on 9/11 (and many other days). So I DO see both sides. But what we're discussing, I think, is that percentage of cops who just do what we saw in the vid. Darts, rubber bullets, pepper spray, a fucking NET for Jesus sake would've worked. they had HOURS. This isn't a split-second "is that a gun or a keychain" type situation, which can be forgivien under certain circumstances. No, HOURS went by and the cops finally just said "fuck it" and killed the dude. Did they intend to? Why not tazer him HOURS before, before he got to the ledge? Again, no way to defend THESE COPS. Not ALL cops - THESE cops. Bad, bad coppies, BAD coppies!
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