America! Fuck yeah!

I owned an H2 for just myself and my girlfriend. You all can suck my dick. 8)

I suppose you aren't typing on a keyboard made of plastic, that was created using petrochemicals. Petrochemicals = oil.. YOU sir are destroying the world every time you make a post, please quit killing innocent birds and wildlife and just stop posting.

What I want to know is... Where the FUCK are our vehicles powered by seawater or hydrogen or something? Invent those fuckers already!

They already exist.

i find it funny that everyone is so ready to blame the british for what is a corporate crime, plain and simple. As someone else quoted, most majority shareholders who do call the shots are US based.

If you can't accept that then its only because you need to blame someone other than yourself and your need for oil.

I hate that this has happened, and blame the company, but know that it has nothing to do with the average Brit.

What automakers have them on their lots?

there are others ways to make a car move you know....oil isn't the only way
what we need to invest in the technology in order to make cars environment friendly

And you really expect an environmentally friendly alternative to pop up? Its just not going to happen. Electric cars..sounds good but most of the electricity in the States is made by coal plants. Of course there is nuclear but you have the possiblity for horrible results there too, just like you do with oil. We might be better off finding an alternative for plastics that don't use oil but I can't think of one resource that doesn't damange the environment. Even solar, the solar panels require plastics and other petroleum based products..

I just read in the paper the other day that they are asking local residents to ease up on the electricity consumption...just imagine if we all had electric cars plugged in all the time how hard that would be on the grid. It would need to be totally restructured. Its too bad we can't come up with a resource that costs nothing to produce and is basically unlimited.

We have the technology to, in large part, replace coal/gas plants. we just need to get very serious about implementing it. A couple little wind farms here, a couple little solar plants there ain't gonna cut it.

We will of course never be able to do without oil all together. But there are thousands of ways that we can cut consumption drastically. We just have to get very serious about it.

i like this thread, but i dont like politics ... go get them!

Solar and wind, as the technology is now just isn't viable on a large scale. They are setting up a 120 arcre 'solar farm' around here in the next couple of years but its only going to generate enough energy to power 1500 homes they estimate. It almost seems like a waste. Same with turbines, these huge ugly potentionally dangerous things all over the nations beautiful coastlines and other areas and they generate next to nothing for the space and cost. We need some new ideas.

Technology improves daily, we are starting to figure out fusion, solar and wind tech keeps getting better. This is most definitely doable.

Just glancing though wikipedia saw this little gem
300 mega watts is a lot of fucking power. let's build these en mass.

Sounds promising. Although as technology chances are some of this 'green power' equipment becomes useless..its just more shit for landfills. The whole green movement is kinda a scam in a way. Companies making billions off things they know will be useless and outdated in 10 years, yet we're still spending billions on it.

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They took what was supposed to be a move toward bettering society and turned it into a marketing gimmick. Standard corporate procedure. Profit first.

He was talking about a 300MW power plant, not a computer part such as a cd-rom drive.

The power plant never becomes "useless" as long as replacement parts continue to be made for it and repairs done and as long as no one damages/destroys it.

In other words,

The 300MW power plant is a single unit. When someone invents a newer,better power plant with more or cheaper power, the newer plant does not need to be compatible with this 300MW plant. It only needs to (eventaually) generate more (or enough) income than the cost to build it.

Maybe in the future, they will build another better power plant next to it. But it's not necessary to shut this one down, unless it becomes too expensive,dangerous to repair/maintain as it ages. Everything ages, so this is to be expected with any system,plant,device.

Welcome to the end... yet again...

The only way to power a car with seawater is with wavepower. This in essence already exists because electric cars exist and wave power devices exist although the electricity from them aren't really available to people unless you count hydro electric dams or tidal generators. You will never fill up a car with seawater.
Hydrogen cars exist but hydrogen is just a carrier medium.. like a battery, the energy still has to be made somewhere else.
Basically, electric cars are already here, we just need to spend the next 30 years investing our oil energy in renewable energy.

I think you are fundamentally misunderstanding the situation. Your sentiments don't really acknowledge that the status quo will not last and that you don't really look for answers or solutions to the problems you think of.

So what if most electricity right now is generated from coal? At some point in the future we won't be generating electricity from coal because at the very least, ignoring all other factors, there simply will be no coal left. All light used to be generated by whale oil. All energy used to be generated by burning trees. To me, when people say this all I really hear is "Look killing whales sucks, but ALL light is produced from whales, you think we're going to build dangerous ugly powerlines all over our beautiful streets that KILL people when they touch them??? You're crazy - who'd want to live in a permanent death trap???"

Nanosolar technology is currently being used to coat normal building materials such as steel roof sheeting and windows with solar generating technology so there isn't as great a need for power plants.. Each new home will be a power plant just by building with better materials that are cheaper to make than older solar panel technology. Current wave technology that is completely hidden under the surface of the water can completely power whole continents with near baseload power.

Complaining about green technology becoming obsolete is also very strange. I'd like to know how you're posting on this forum.. I mean your computer is going to be obsolete a hell of a lot quicker than any green tech, you didn't wait for the very last computer to be built before you bought your first one - you acknowledged there was a utility to it, the benefits of which outweighed any negatives. And that's just the cheap shot, you're basically saying, why make money now when I can hold off and start making more money in ten years? After a positive EROEI/acceptable investment payback period has been devised (hint we already do this with current tech) there isn't some magical point where it becomes "worth doing".. it's just a constant state of being "even more worth doing".. It's like saying "why buy this profitable business, in ten years i'll just buy a more profitable one".. why not use the profits from the ten years of the first business to buy the even more profitable one "free carried"? Or have both running and making a bigger profit than either individually? It's just a fundamentally flawed argument.

The other argument about solar cells requiring energy and oil to create is specious for similar reasons. Everything requires energy.. oil requires oil to find and produce. Given that EVERYTHING requires it, you can't use it as a negative as it's moot, all you can do is turn it into a variable about how efficient it's use is. This is how silly complaining about green tech using oil to be made is.. Oil can only be used once.. you can either burn the barrel of oil on motoring a car around and lose it forever, or you can turn that barrel into a solar panel and use it for 30 years to generate the equivalent energy of many many barrels of oil.. which means using solar panels to create more solar panels. It's like complaining about investing requiring money. "Why would I take my $10,000 and turn it into 1,000,000 over 30 years? Don't you know that I could spend that $10,000 on a BJ and half a pound of coke?"
You're talking "I wish for a million wishes" here... when you invest energy into something that generates more energy than you put into it you're making the best use of that energy.. You can't complain about oil and energy going into solar panels.. you can only complain about doing anything BUT putting oil and energy into renewable resources: "why are we spending all our energy on coke and hookers - why aren't we investing any of it".

It's a problem that will take at least two decades to fix which is why it's such a murderous cunt hole we're not investing more now to speed things along... We've only got about half our oil left and we should be investing it. But it's like cancer, the fact it will be a long battle isn't any reason not to start treatment. "Boo hoo there is no overnight cure, no pill i can take to be at work cancer free tomorrow so I won't get surgery and have chemo, i'll just keep complaining and hope they invent an overnight cure before it's too late and I die waiting for something better".

Very, very curious.

Thanks for adding some intelligent discussion, bhutocracy.

I would love to see the day when every home (and every person) has the means to produce all the energy that is consumed in the home ---> energy self-reliance.

With enough energy, people could build greenhouses in their basement to grow food. Or even convert urine back into potable water.

I would like to live in a world where every person owns the "means of survival". I am not talking about socialism, which gives ownership/control to a government or an elite group of representatives. And I am not talking about capitalism, which allows an oligarchy to monopolize natural resources. I mean, enabling every individual person (as much as possible) to survive, without needing to constantly buy energy,food,and water.

natural disasters happens with everyone...

you're missing the point you don't have to stop driving cars in america, but instead of buying something with a 5L engine how about something with a 1.8L engine. that's what most people are doing in the rest of the first world. we still enjoy the same quality of life as americans, but we drive more ecconomical cars etc.

the american government should ramp up taxes on gasoline in the states, its the only way to control demand. its not popular but people won't make changes off their own backs.

yeah, but let's blame it on the tubes

poor creature

I think I just pissed in my pants when I read that!

As much as I'd like to write a length reply I will just say this. A lot of people pushing "green" technology, selling it to our governments, etc are doing so because they are making mad loot doing it. I very much doubt they care about the future as they will have made their money. I see these huge turbines going up all over my hometown area and just wonder...will these things be useless falling down pieces of shit in 10 years time? Surely there must be a better solution that these ugly things. Yeah, lets spend billions on something that will only power 1500 homes...Hell, you'd need 1200 acres to power 15,000 homes...could you imagine how much space 1200 acres is..all full of solar panels...ha. It feels like we're in the dinosaur age of green power. And you can bet any future power sources will be damaging to our health. I mean, where is there to go?...

Its a stupid stereotype that all americans drive big cars. The biggest sellers here are honda, toyota, etc. All economic cars. In rural areas you have more trucks sure but farms can't exactly hull stuff in a honda civic.

well if you compare the uk and us, who have are "fairly" similar first world countries, you use double the amount of oil as we do (going by those stats someone posted and taking population size into account), that oil is being used somewhere. obviously there are some differences the US is much bigger etc but that's a huge disparity.

this is of course, in sharp contrast to Adult webmasters, who are simply in business to help the world, and the betterment of mankind, and sneer at any thought of "profit"

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I didn't exclude us. It wasn't a jab at the corporate entity, merely a factoid. Some people actually believe corporations like Walmart or GM "care" about them, when the truth is, it's all about profit. Goes for adult corps too. Mine included. I'm not in this because I "care" about porn.