Best advise yet.


PS ... the new generation diesels are quick.

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Looks like the Tesla Roadster has just hit Canada....interesting to see that the head of the group is Paypals founder.

Electric Tesla Roadster makes Canadian debut
Fri May 28, 3:45 PM

The electric Tesla Roadster is now available to Canadian drivers with a passion for fast sports cars and a concern for the environment.

The Tesla is billed as the only electric, highway-capable, high-performance vehicle in the world.

The Roadster consumes no gasoline and can accelerate from zero to 100 km/h in 3.7 seconds. It has a top speed of 200 km/h, no tailpipe emissions, and sells for $125,000.

What makes the Tesla unique, besides its performance, is its range of nearly 400 kilometres on a single charge. The vehicle can be plugged into any standard electrical outlet or also be charged with solar, hydro or wind energy.

The first Canadian customers took delivery of their Tesla Roadsters this week.

The company is planning on opening a dealership in Toronto.

Transport Canada approved the vehicle last fall after ensuring it meets Canadian safety standards.

The company gets its name from Serbian inventor Nikola Tesla, who helped develop alternating current (AC) power systems.

Tesla Motors is based in Palo Alto, Calif., and is the dream of a team of entrepreneurs headed by PayPal founder Elon Musk.

Franz von Holzhausen, who was the former director of design for Mazda, designed the Roadster.

The independent automaker offers mobile service technicians known as the "Tesla Rangers," who travel to where the customer is to perform any repairs or upgrades.

Tesla recently teamed up with Toyota to help develop new electric car technologies.

Yeah, save the planet by using electricity produced by gas and coal to power your electric car. :upsidedow

The best part is as demand increases so will the competition to grab the market share which favors the consumer.

Here's an article from my sunday paper about a guy that's going to start production of his car at a small plant near me. You can read the full story here : http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...pe-gas-sipping


" Scaringe says the car will be fun to drive, carry four people, and according to the company's fledgling Web site, get twice the mileage of today's hybrids. That's the only claim I heard during my visit to the company that I question because double a Toyota Prius would be close to 100 miles per gallon.

The Avera will likely be a diesel hybrid. The car will be mid-engined ? meaning the engine is right behind the rear seat ? and rear-wheel-drive, regarded as the optimum drivetrain configuration for performance and handling by companies such as Ferrari and Lamborghini. The basic platform would be "flexible," Scaringe says, meaning that once the Avera sports coupe is under way, the platform could support, say, a two-seat convertible, a small SUV or any number of vehicles.

Price? Around $25,000. "

Let's say that today it takes 1,000 barrels of oil to support the automotive industry. For stuff like building the cars and trucking parts and whatever like you listed above.

Let's say that today 1,000,000 barrels of oil were actually used in operating all the vehicles.

So they perfect an electric car.

Now it still takes 1,000 barrels of oil to support the automotive industry just in a different way and you no longer need to burn 1,000,000 barrels of oil to operate the cars because they are electric.

That's where the cutback in oil consumption comes into play and there is no way we would be using the same amount off oil by going to an electric source as we did with a gasoline engine.

Yeah, I get that. But you're not solving the problem. The problem being, oil. Whether consumption is reduced or not is sort of irrelevant. You still need just as much oil every step of the way, up to and including the "refueling" of an electric car. Electricity isn't made from thin air. You might be reducing the quantity of oil needed by a little bit, but even if everyone on the planet was driving an electric car and there were no more petroleum fueled vehicles at all, we are still just as dependent on oil as before the electric cars. We've changed nothing.

For every 1,000 miles driven how much electricity will be used? Anyone know?


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I probably would if I had an extra $50k to spend...

I think its a beautiful looking car, but I have a feeling with this the early adopters are going to get screwed.

Kind of like with the latest greatest Apple products, you'll pay a premium to have it first, then 6 months to a year down the road they will come out with a better / sleeker / more efficient model for a fraction of the price.

If it generates enough interest and theuy continue to advance the technology I can see it splitting into a 2dr sportier coupe and a more economical / camry equiv.

that's cool. I would consider one

see my earlier post .....:winkwink: the 2 door sports version is out now ....:thumbsup

Regarding the other subject - Apple....to be fair to them they did say they would upgrade the iphone at least once every year with the latest technology and also thier other products.

The current VAG diesels are easily tuned too. Seen some bonkers SEAT Leons :thumbsup
I'd rather have an Elise and all the spare cash.

Yes, I would.
Especially if the price was right. It cannot be compared to any other hybrid car. Its pure electric and it looks absolutely beautiful. Not to mention that it costs less than Lexus or Mercedes of the same class.

It will be interesting to see how the final product compares quality wise to Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, etc.

I love Tesla Motors and I'm glad to see they're delivering exactly what they promised... I sedan under the $60k price mark! Looks damn sexy too, very nice design!

sharp looking car, I won't be buying version 1.0 for sure, but when all bugs are polished up, I don't see why not..

all you tree huggers can drive that and drop the demand for oil...cheaper gas for me

just not practical except for city commute

tesla will be lucky if they can build that car for under $50k.

haha, current price of oil is balanced between the cost and demand. But you never know if it will drop or grow if people will start using electric cars all of the sudden. I guess its not going to drop.

Maybe if my wang fell off

I would consider it for sure.

The thing I think a lot of people do when they dismiss the electric car's range is that they don't think realistically about their life. Most people don't drive that much in any given day. the average person could commute to and from work, run their kids around town after work, run errands and still have plenty of range left in any given day.

People see that range and they say, "Well, I couldn't take a trip in it so it isn't practical and I won't get one." But the real question is how often does a person take a trip like that. I can think of only a few times in the last 5 years I have taken a road trip that was long enough that I would have exhausted the range on the car. For trips like that you rent a car for a few days. So you own the electric for 99% of your life and rent a car for that 1% of the time you need more range.

To me dismissing the range for a trip is like saying, "Six years ago I had to haul some stuff out of storage and to the dump, so that means I need a truck and I won't buy a regular car because I can't haul stuff in it."

Thats cool car. If in the nearest future the engineers made a material that the future electric cars will be made that the whole surface of the car will collect solar energy and the cars will auto-recharge while you driving...........

Awesome looking car would love to have it

Probably not. If I can afford a $50,000+ sport luxury sedan I can sacrifice fuel efficiency for more performance..(For example a gas powered M3 sedan does 0-60 in about 4.3 seconds).

I think manufactures went the other way with these hybrid/electric cars. Hybrid cars should be affordable to average cost consciousness consumers. People who buy $40-$50-$60,000+ cars don't weigh as heavily on fuel efficiency.

Tesla Model S Sedan looks interesting. I wonder if they will make a transformer in the future that transforms into a car and a robot.