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Will you buy a Tesla Model S Sedan?
Toyota is investing $50m in Tesla. Tesla is buying Toyota's NUMMI plant in Freemont, CA to produce the cars.
I have to say it is one of the better, if not best looking, electric cars. 300 mile range on a charge make it practical even for those with a long commute and 5+ passenger seating is a bonus. 0-60mph in 5.6 seconds. Est. MSRP $50k. ![]() ![]()
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No I wouldn't. 300 mile range means 250 without worry which means I would need another nice car for any kind of trip.
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it's Fremont, CA
and no.... won't be buying an overpriced electric car any time soon.
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if i had 50k to drop, yeah, you bet.
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Also, word around here is that Tesla is only going to be using a portion of the NUMMI plant, and of course they are much much smaller than Toyota and will not need nearly as many workers.... so, Tesla may re-employ some of the out-of-work NUMMI workers, but most are stilled just as fucked as before.
On a positive note, it's better than 100% of NUMMI workers being fucked.
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I am sure they cannot hire all the workers but if the car takes off, and I think it will do well, it gives them space to grow and hire more people.
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I do love the look of their cars too.... I just think they are outrageously priced.
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Hopefully as manufacturing and demand increase the price will drop some.
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Yes, in a heart beat. I can't wait to stop buying gas.
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looks so cool!
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So a nice Camry costs $25,000 and is just slightly slower 0-60. Where did the other $25,000 go ... ?
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wonder how long it takes to re-charge
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That's the 2nd biggest downside to these things. If you take a trip and need to stop to "re-fuel" (recharge), are you going to have to sit in some shit hole town for 8 hours while the fucking car recharges?
Not practical.
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looks cool but they are way too expensive.. But I would love to have an electric car in the future.. 300mile range is enough for me
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Fuck it, no. Keep driving massively large gas guzzlers and starting illegal wars. Who the FUCK needs an electric car when we can just fight the towelheads until Haliburton can get in and build a pipe to the REAL WORLD!!!
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Not practical just yet for the big trips, but if I would still be living in Holland I TOTALLY would have gotten one. Work >> home is only 25 miles.
It looks fucking sweet AND rips MANY new ones in traffic light drag races. Excellent move Toyota and Tesla!
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45 minute quick charge.
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I really wish I knew more about the engineering of these things.
Petroleum fueled vehicles have alternators that keep the battery(s) charged. Do these electric vehicles not make use of that basic system? Why do they need to be plugged in and charged at all?
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Looks like shit, buy something german instead. They know how to build cars.
Moreover, these cars are actually harming the enviroment more than a similar petrol car.
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there won't be any need to recharge...."gas" station will have batteries you could just swap and go.
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Swapping batteries is hardly convenient.
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They designed it to be done in 5 minutes.
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Batteries. It really the most expensive part of the car. You can make a prius all electric also, the kit cost about 11k due to the batteries and you will not get 300 miles out of it...
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Restrictions on range with a charging time before you could carry on would probably help that sort of thing make a comeback.
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Swapping batteries is going to the most sensible way of a quick stop. It's only a similar thing to how they used to change horses on horse-drawn carriages.
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Still not practical though. You're talking about stations having spare charged batteries for everyone, everywhere. If not, you are restricted as to where you can go, or how fast you can go there. I don't like restrictions like that. I'll be sticking with my 10 mpg lifted Dodge Ram asskicker that goes anywhere.
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This kind of shit really is amusing to me. You have some people that are like, "Electric cars are the way to go and if you don't you hate the Earth".
How much oil does it take to manufacture these electric cars? How much oil will it take to produce millions of batteries for them? How much oil will be burned trucking batteries to stations all over the country? How much oil will be burned producing electricity to recharge all these millions of batteries? All you're doing is buying a novelty to make yourself feel better. I don't see oil consumption being reduced by any amount that matters, simply by putting electric cars on the road. Like I've said before, you need a replacement for oil, period. That's when it will make a difference.
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50 g's is still WAY outta my price range, but considering the original tesla roadster was like 250,000, i'd actually call that fucker reasonably priced.
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yup, it looks very cool
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it's a good looking sedan but i don't think the world is ready for full electric cars for the masses
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great car...
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50 million? That's all they invest? That's pretty much peanuts for them. I guess they still are going to bank on their oil guzzlers for a whole while...
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people keep forgetting that electric power must be produced too. unless you don't heavily invest in alternative energies like wind, solar or the like electric cars are not any better than a modern diesel. look into something like a VW Jetta TDI - they do like 50 or 60 mpg
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It looks sharp but not a huge fan of electric cars.they seem whimpy compared to the gas guzzlers
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The best part is as demand increases so will the competition to grab the market share which favors the consumer.
Here's an article from my sunday paper about a guy that's going to start production of his car at a small plant near me. You can read the full story here : http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...pe-gas-sipping " Scaringe says the car will be fun to drive, carry four people, and according to the company's fledgling Web site, get twice the mileage of today's hybrids. That's the only claim I heard during my visit to the company that I question because double a Toyota Prius would be close to 100 miles per gallon. The Avera will likely be a diesel hybrid. The car will be mid-engined ? meaning the engine is right behind the rear seat ? and rear-wheel-drive, regarded as the optimum drivetrain configuration for performance and handling by companies such as Ferrari and Lamborghini. The basic platform would be "flexible," Scaringe says, meaning that once the Avera sports coupe is under way, the platform could support, say, a two-seat convertible, a small SUV or any number of vehicles. Price? Around $25,000. " |
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Let's say that today 1,000,000 barrels of oil were actually used in operating all the vehicles. So they perfect an electric car. Now it still takes 1,000 barrels of oil to support the automotive industry just in a different way and you no longer need to burn 1,000,000 barrels of oil to operate the cars because they are electric. That's where the cutback in oil consumption comes into play and there is no way we would be using the same amount off oil by going to an electric source as we did with a gasoline engine. |
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For every 1,000 miles driven how much electricity will be used? Anyone know?
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I probably would if I had an extra $50k to spend...
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I think its a beautiful looking car, but I have a feeling with this the early adopters are going to get screwed.
Kind of like with the latest greatest Apple products, you'll pay a premium to have it first, then 6 months to a year down the road they will come out with a better / sleeker / more efficient model for a fraction of the price. If it generates enough interest and theuy continue to advance the technology I can see it splitting into a 2dr sportier coupe and a more economical / camry equiv. |
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that's cool. I would consider one
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