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Old 05-30-2010, 07:59 PM   #101
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Does this have anything to do with the crack down of cross-sales?
i had the same thought. Is this fallout over the recent X-Sells rules changes?
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Old 05-30-2010, 08:00 PM   #102
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A lot more people are looking for amateur videos, and young adults love to show it for free... as they love showing their butt dancing on Youtube.
Agreed. The Q is: Is streaming 1080p profitable for Joe Tube owner or the big tubes?

Yes we will not get back alot of surfers who are happy with low res. But there is more and more who if given the choice I believe will pay for good, abundant, 1080p. They have hd monitors and hd is always better if there is plenty to choose from in your niche.

I can think of one top paysite (and so can you) who sells pretty well mainly because they have fresh high res content and lots of it, in fact it is true 1080p. No BS. True 1080p trailers. No BS.

And guess what? They sell. Well.

Mom and pop are competing with the tubes but the site mentioned above is not.

Plus, I doubt they are going to allow their 1080p to be pilfered as they are big enough to enforce.

So as things move to 1080p in say 2 years max, will tubes start losing surfers.. even those who were once happy with low res but now want the better shit that is not streamable or dl'able at a profit on a tube.

I would rather have a 2 min chunk of 1080p that I like than 30 mins of 640x480 which to me is now blurry. The shit has alot of bytes but that works in the paysite ops favor as it is a bitch to pilfer a full vid. They are like 10 gigs a fucken vid. You have to PAY to get say a one hour 1080p full vid that is 10 gigs. Chunks will be avail but only those connoisoires will have the full 1080p vid. Or say 30 mins for 5 gigs is better.

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Old 05-30-2010, 09:01 PM   #103
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Agreed. The Q is: Is streaming 1080p profitable for Joe Tube owner or the big tubes?

Yes we will not get back alot of surfers who are happy with low res. But there is more and more who if given the choice I believe will pay for good, abundant, 1080p. They have hd monitors and hd is always better if there is plenty to choose from in your niche.

I can think of one top paysite (and so can you) who sells pretty well mainly because they have fresh high res content and lots of it, in fact it is true 1080p. No BS. True 1080p trailers. No BS.

And guess what? They sell. Well.

Mom and pop are competing with the tubes but the site mentioned above is not.

Plus, I doubt they are going to allow their 1080p to be pilfered as they are big enough to enforce.

So as things move to 1080p in say 2 years max, will tubes start losing surfers.. even those who were once happy with low res but now want the better shit that is not streamable or dl'able at a profit on a tube.

I would rather have a 2 min chunk of 1080p that I like than 30 mins of 640x480 which to me is now blurry. The shit has alot of bytes but that works in the paysite ops favor as it is a bitch to pilfer a full vid. They are like 10 gigs a fucken vid. You have to PAY to get say a one hour 1080p full vid that is 10 gigs. Chunks will be avail but only those connoisoires will have the full 1080p vid. Or say 30 mins for 5 gigs is better.

5 gig vids might even fuck up Rap*d Sh*r*.
I do agree somehow, but I think tube sites will evolve as well as Youtube HD. So the problem remains the same.

A few years ago, bandwidth was up to $4 per gig. Then it went down to $0.10 for Tier1... and $0.05 - Now you can get top USA/Europe traffic with mirrors for cheaper. Tube sites will offer HD within 24 months.
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Old 05-30-2010, 09:06 PM   #104
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I do agree somehow, but I think tube sites will evaluate as well as Youtube HD. So the problem remains the same.

A few years ago, bandwidth was up to $4 per gig. Then it went down to $0.10 for Tier1... and $0.05 - Now you can get top USA/Europe traffic with mirrors for cheaper. Tube sites will offer HD within 24 months.
Yes the one prob is Tubes can stream 1080p chunks at perhaps a profit but at that point the people they will be selling their traffic to will be the same ones who supply the HD. Because they will be the only ones selling.

If paysites (PLEASE) protect their 1080p maybe things can work.

HD amateur porn (esp 1080p) will sell. And I will promote ANYONE who has real 1080p content and trailers in any niche.

Actually I prob already do. I also promote everyone with 720p already too.

But if the trailers are not real, no deal.

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Old 05-30-2010, 09:07 PM   #105
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3)if you were using rev share on a celeb site, you gotta be out of your mind.
You are wrong. We have good celebrity sites and our average retention ratio is around 150%.

I am as affiliate working with other celebrity programs on revshare as well.

I don't believe (and don't work) programs who offer high PPS and using cross-sales, that's all.
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Old 05-30-2010, 09:09 PM   #106
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You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. The affiliate model is all but dead. The few affiliates, (and I do mean a few) who can bring something creative to the table can still get paid out. But who really needs the others anymore. Hell, there are a few main traffic sources now, and a company can submit their own stuff just as easy and walk away with 100%.
I disagree. But if you think you can get by without affiliates then it's your right to give it a try. I'll just make sure to pull all my links and send the traffic to the competition or maybe create some new competition.
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Old 05-30-2010, 09:12 PM   #107
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Regarding Adult Profit, I hope it's because of their 'celebrity' type of sites that has a lot of refund/chargeback and low retention (I guess).
As celebrity paysites owner and affiliate I can say that in celebrity niche has normal refund/chargeback rate and high retention (from 150% and higher).

Our (check my sig) average retention ratio is 150%

But our program not for affiliates who like high PPS, because we pay only revshare and we are not going to scam our members or affiliates.
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I disagree. But if you think you can get by without affiliates then it's your right to give it a try. I'll just make sure to pull all my links and send the traffic to the competition or maybe create some new competition.
Really? and what's your affiliate code with me or are you just talking out your ass?

Had you been around I have pulled down my affiliate program... almost a year ago. It went invite only. I have plenty of good affiliates that I treat well. If you have something to bring to the table great, if not oh well. Like I need a bunch of guys spreading my crap all over the net for free and completely diluting and value it has... no, in fact, I get the same amount of signups today as I have had the entire time I've been online. So I may be small but I'm steady. Extremehole been online for 12 years. think about that for a second. 1 site, completely independent with no affiliate program to speak of, and I'm making it just fine. It pays my bills, buys me my cars, paid for my house, and is raising my family. Are they a BMW and a 12 bedroom mansion, nope... but they are paid for free and clear and I'm happy.

So, where's this bigger fall out your speaking of hmm?

On top of that, you don't see me here begging for your "traffic" do ya now... hmmmm...

Face it, in a LOT of cases this whole affiliate thing has gotten out of hand. 50, 60,70% payouts... on top of the fact that the program owners are also flipping the bills for the hosting, production, merchant account fees etc. Sorry boys, that models just does not work anymore and the people dropping like flys all around us should be more than enough proof of that. When I first got into this the payouts where 15-20% and mark my words here... for those that survive that's where they will go back to.

But, feel free to argue with me about it all you want.

Oh, and to the creating some new competition for me... LOL! really now... and I'm sure you have a lineup of girls that can do what I have done... go for it my friend cause I'll by a membership!
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Old 05-30-2010, 09:30 PM   #109
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In fact as I pull links, those sites who are at least real 720p I will keep promoting as it shows "good faith" to me and my surfers even if they don't sell for shit cause they are priced over $29.99.

Boy, that is a pisser of mine. Guys, mainly east of Long Island, please, go look at what a winning American porn site sells for. Then lower your price to below $29.99. Pref $23.95 would be good. Also disclose full price on the first page would help too. Since xsells are gone. Maybe then we can sell some fucking porn.

Jeepers fucking balls man get with the program. $39.95 doesnt sell for shit. Do something diff and lower the friggen price. wtf.

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Old 05-30-2010, 09:42 PM   #110
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Old 05-30-2010, 10:37 PM   #111
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Sad news as they have always done right by us. Guess it's time to switch everything over to: THIS.
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Old 05-31-2010, 08:58 PM   #112
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In fact as I pull links, those sites who are at least real 720p I will keep promoting as it shows "good faith" to me and my surfers even if they don't sell for shit cause they are priced over $29.99.

Boy, that is a pisser of mine. Guys, mainly east of Long Island, please, go look at what a winning American porn site sells for. Then lower your price to below $29.99. Pref $23.95 would be good. Also disclose full price on the first page would help too. Since xsells are gone. Maybe then we can sell some fucking porn.

Jeepers fucking balls man get with the program. $39.95 doesnt sell for shit. Do something diff and lower the friggen price. wtf.
hey you should try EroBerlin if u arent already selling it. hot euro/russian public nudes in true HD and sells at $19.95 a month. converts well too compared to US porno. i've managed US & Euro sites for a decade and i usually find the next big thing before it breaks (and get out before it crashes lol). program is in my sig (ErobabeCash)
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Old 05-31-2010, 10:33 PM   #114
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WTF? i never got that email?
Same here. Only found out about the news here.
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Old 05-31-2010, 10:40 PM   #115
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My links are still up for now ... enjoy the sales, Adult Profit. Of course, my ratios were WAY down over the last few months ... maybe this explains why.
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Old 05-31-2010, 11:00 PM   #116
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Sad to see this happen but if anyone needs a new program to push we have 8 brand new celeb sites niched in teen, MILF, Asian, etc. Hit me up if you need anything. www.GossipKings.com/shey
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So whats will happen?
i just get this message yesterday
Hello jean-francois,

Your payment notice for the Adult Profit passed period:

Your period earning: $510.00
Bonus payout: $0.00
Your overall payout: $510
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Lame, I pretty much only promoted their Sinful Comics site, but it was a consistent rebiller for me. I've seen a few people earlier in the thread say that promoting celeb sites with revshare is stupid, but I've had people rebilling for a few years with that site - but I wasn't getting many new signups, so I guess I'm not surprised.

I will miss those rebills, though

Anyhow, what other good celeb hentai/toons sites are there? I know there's the Gogo Celeb / Fame Cartoons clones, and then Famous Comics from Drawn-Cash, but is there anything else that isn't just content that's been resold to 60 different aff programs?
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can anyone login and see what they still owe you? or do we just have to trust them on what they owe us?

found their e-mail, the title was "AP V2 Affiliate Newsletter"

they clearly hoped that most affiliates would never see the e-mail
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looks to me that they have closed the affiliate program/site, and cut all affiliates of the payroll while keeping the sites up and running and keeping all rebills...
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can anyone login and see what they still owe you? or do we just have to trust them on what they owe us?

found their e-mail, the title was "AP V2 Affiliate Newsletter"

they clearly hoped that most affiliates would never see the e-mail
yes i got that email too, and i read it cuz they sent it...

and i just got the email that they are paying me for may, probably tomorrow.

and if you did advertise them you should know that they always paid on time. i have no probs with AP, they had their run and now its over. yes it was a pain in the ass to switch out and change a multitude of blogs/pages but thats done and time to move on.
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but is there anything else that isn't just content that's been resold to 60 different aff programs?
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AP made me money for years sad to see them go. But 2 comments for everyone: PPS is not sustainable, and stop giving it away for free! Promo materials and most TGPS have conditioned the customer in a way that is counter profitable.
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Anyone been payed yet from AP the last period?
I'm still waiting on my payment via epass...5 days passed already...
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Anyone been payed yet from AP the last period?
I'm still waiting on my payment via epass...5 days passed already...
Not received my payment either. I am a bit worried as they have normally paid out within few days.
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have not been paid yet, if they dont pay by tues i would say there is a problem.
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Not received my payment either. I am a bit worried as they have normally paid out within few days.
Exactly! Usually they pay 1 or 2 (sometimes max 3) days after the end of a period.
Now it's already 5 days and this never happened before...
So let's hope it is coming...else it would be a shameful ending of AP
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Exactly! Usually they pay 1 or 2 (sometimes max 3) days after the end of a period.
Now it's already 5 days and this never happened before...
So let's hope it is coming...else it would be a shameful ending of AP
I got the notification that my payment was coming, but so far, no dice...
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Keep an eye on their payments... WEG had always paid me on time, so I got a bit lazy watching the checks.. just took a look tonight and sure enough- right after they "closed"

the checks stopped coming. Two of em overdue now. Fucking WEGCash is stealing from its old affilaites- and that was the $2 per email program, not even rebills..

a disturbing trend may be upon us..
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:18 AM   #140
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Keep an eye on their payments... WEG had always paid me on time, so I got a bit lazy watching the checks.. just took a look tonight and sure enough- right after they "closed"

the checks stopped coming. Two of em overdue now. Fucking WEGCash is stealing from its old affilaites- and that was the $2 per email program, not even rebills..

a disturbing trend may be upon us..
I sent AP an email yesterday but still no answer...
As the days pass by i think we may forget our AP payments
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:27 AM   #141
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yeah shocked that a company who went tits up aren't able to pay affiliates.

protip: don't count on that money.
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Old 06-07-2010, 03:45 PM   #142
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yes i got that email too, and i read it cuz they sent it...

and i just got the email that they are paying me for may, probably tomorrow.

and if you did advertise them you should know that they always paid on time. i have no probs with AP, they had their run and now its over. yes it was a pain in the ass to switch out and change a multitude of blogs/pages but thats done and time to move on.
wow, you work for them?

you honestly think 1 day notice is normal practice or people should use such vague titles, I get tons of them a day, who has time to read them all
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Old 06-07-2010, 03:57 PM   #143
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found their e-mail, the title was "AP V2 Affiliate Newsletter"

they clearly hoped that most affiliates would never see the e-mail

you honestly think 1 day notice is normal practice or people should use such vague titles, I get tons of them a day, who has time to read them all
What exactly are you trying to say? Look, they sent the email, i got the email and i read it. They were not trying to hide this email. Its the affiliate newsletter, as in "here is some news for you."

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wow, you work for them?
I wish i did, then i would know where my money is.

If you read the TOS of nearly any program out there, there is always something like "we reserve the right to terminate this program at any time"

Like many of these programs and ones we will see failing soon, you can pretty much bet on 1 or 2 days notice.
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Old 06-07-2010, 10:41 PM   #145
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They were always a solid crew, I wish them the best in other ventures, no reason to shit on them for not notifying you fast enough, quit bitching and get back to marketing :-P
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They were always a solid crew, I wish them the best in other ventures, no reason to shit on them for not notifying you fast enough, quit bitching and get back to marketing :-P
I will quit bitching when i see some payment first. Until then a big FUCK YOU to them!!!
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I will quit bitching when i see some payment first. Until then a big FUCK YOU to them!!!
Hit me up. We can convert your celeb traffic.
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i stopped sending traffic to AP early last year when the stats went to about 1:2000
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What exactly are you trying to say? Look, they sent the email, i got the email and i read it. They were not trying to hide this email. Its the affiliate newsletter, as in "here is some news for you."
I'm trying to say they hoped a lot of webmasters wouldn't open it and keep sending them traffic without getting paid for them

usually when a program has big news and let's face it, it can't be bigger news for a program then to announce it's stopping it's activities, they put words like big, urgent, huge, ... in the title to attract some attention

a none descript title as they used usually means "we have some new FHG for you to use"


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If you read the TOS of nearly any program out there, there is always something like "we reserve the right to terminate this program at any time"
sure, but there is a proper way to do it and 1 day notice ain't it

AND taking down the affiliate script, so you can't check how much they owe you is just plain scummy

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Like many of these programs and ones we will see failing soon, you can pretty much bet on 1 or 2 days notice.
and if they do, they should get shit for it too

and when these people start another affiliate program in the future, everyone should think twice about promoting them
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Homegrown Video is built to last...

Let's stop and take a quick inventory here...

WEGcash, Quickbucks, Adult Profit... who am I forgetting? Which one is going to be next?

If I were an affiliate I would stop complaining about the checks you are never going to receive from these companies that have dropped affiliates like a sack of moldy grapefruits and start looking for companies that continue to sell well through every trend, twist, and turn in the industry, companies that are built to last... companies like... well... like Homegrown Video by golly.

"Homegrown Video is the longest running series in the history of porn" - Newsweek

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