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Old 05-30-2010, 09:47 AM   #51
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I hope none of them are delusional enough to see this is nothing more than a way for them to grab as much cash as the ship goes down. If they are delusional enough to think they can turn things around on their own they are insane.
Agreed... but over the years most of these programs have set up alot of there own tube sites etc for inhouse traffic... not saying that it's going to keep there heads out of the water as the ship sink though.
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:01 AM   #54
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Sad news, all rebills and referrals are gone
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:44 AM   #59
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I was just thinking about you guys (well big sites in general and you popped into my head) when I read this thread.... If you guys did not have a good system in place it would be a pain in the ass lol.
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Old 05-30-2010, 12:02 PM   #60
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Old 05-30-2010, 12:13 PM   #61
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Old 05-30-2010, 12:20 PM   #62
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This isn't the end of the world but it's just the tip of the iceberg and that's what's scaring !

Everything is going down at the speed of light.

I was telling you guys about it but most of you laughed at me, about my complaints, since what ? At least one year ago and we will hit the summer slow down

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh shit !!!!!!!!!

Anyone needs a boat ? hehehehehehe (i shouldn't laugh tho)

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The other things, we can't really control them but this issue, FUCKING DAMN RIGHT WE CAN !

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Old 05-30-2010, 12:32 PM   #63
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Agreed... but over the years most of these programs have set up alot of there own tube sites etc for inhouse traffic... not saying that it's going to keep there heads out of the water as the ship sink though.
maybe 1 out of 10 will survive if they set up their own traffic sources.
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Old 05-30-2010, 12:33 PM   #64
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Sinking? Shit, this ship has already sunk and you all are arguing over the ice sculpture melting at the buffet.
my comments were for all membership porn sites not just adult profits. I'm not arguing with anyone, just pointing out the mentality of the companies who are sinking and decide to try t o screw affiliates on the way day.

so who was I arguing with and about what ?
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they underestimate how pissed off this could make affiliates. some could strike back..watch out fuckers!
Definitely. I have no business with them but if I did and it were true (No clue if this is the case with them) that they did revshare and were keeping the rebills I would be doing research right now to find out all the owners for this company. Then I would make sure places like ripoffreport.com were plastered with their names and address outing them as scammers. I'd follow them around online for the next decade, whenever they opened something new I'd be there with them posting information about how they ripped me off. I'd have every right to do this too.
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First of all, giving 24 hours to remove the links is a joke.

Second, they should never stop paying affiliates who picked the 50/50 lifetime revshare. This is fraud, plain and simple. You can decide, as a Paysite owner to stop accepting NEW memberships and close the Pay Per Signup program, but not the Revshare rebills. Those revenues are owned by the affiliate.

I'm a paysite owner myself and decided to stop promoting and accepting new memberships because I was not making an interesting Return on Investment.

A program with about 5000 active members stopping paying revshare rebills at 65% retention represents over 14200 rebills. At $15 each, it's $213,000 USD in their pocket they steal from the revshare affiliates.

(And believe me, a LOT of members re-join the sites without the referal ID... once they know the site, they cancel and rejoin later (cookie expired) - so it's almost the double of $$)

I think Wegcash stopped due to the new Visa regulations. Regarding Adult Profit, I hope it's because of their 'celebrity' type of sites that has a lot of refund/chargeback and low retention (I guess).

Anyway, in any case... an one month notice would be the minimum, plus keeping the revshare rebills active.
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Definitely. I have no business with them but if I did and it were true (No clue if this is the case with them) that they did revshare and were keeping the rebills I would be doing research right now to find out all the owners for this company. Then I would make sure places like ripoffreport.com were plastered with their names and address outing them as scammers. I'd follow them around online for the next decade, whenever they opened something new I'd be there with them posting information about how they ripped me off. I'd have every right to do this too.
sites who were sending them major traffic should tell their surfers to cancel their memberships to babylon x, celeb king.
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they should never stop paying affiliates who picked the 50/50 lifetime revshare. This is fraud, plain and simple. You can decide, as a Paysite owner to stop accepting NEW memberships and close the Pay Per Signup program, but not the Revshare rebills. Those revenues are owned by the affiliate.

A program with about 5000 active members stopping paying revshare rebills at 65% retention represents over 14200 rebills. At $15 each, it's $213,000 USD in their pocket they steal from the revshare affiliates.

(And believe me, a LOT of members re-join the sites without the referal ID... once they know the site, they cancel and rejoin later (cookie expired) - so it's almost the double of $$)
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I think you have hit the nail on the head......it seems some programs are taking this route and basically taking a nice income with them as they move onto a non affiliate model.
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They really crashed and burned conversion wise this year.

Keeping rebills is way wrong but if everybody's rebills dried up this year like mine then.. eh nothing to take.

The rebills are drying up so why not just pay them out and save your rep.

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I think you have hit the nail on the head......it seems some programs are taking this route and basically taking a nice income with them as they move onto a non affiliate model.
Nah, the winners of today love affils. Only the bonafide, non converting losers, are shafting affils.

I don't know about the rest of you affils but I am going from about 200 sponsors to 5-10 this year. I am pulling links fast as i can.

It is a brave new internet and I can smell the losers a mile away.

otoh I can see the winners clearly.

So rock fucking on. The winners of today are laughing as affil traffic funnels into them more and more and together we go forward.

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Nah, the winners of today love affils. Only the bonafide, non converting losers, are shafting affils.

I don't know about the rest of you affils but I am going from about 200 sponsors to 5-10 this year. I am pulling links fast as i can.

It is a brave new internet and I can smell the losers a mile away.

otoh I can see the winners clearly.

So rock fucking on. The winners of today are laughing as affil traffic funnels into them more and more and together we go forward.

Rock fucking on.
If you can't see that the entire affiliate model is changing than you need to get treatment.
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Nah, the winners of today love affils. Only the bonafide, non converting losers, are shafting affils.

I don't know about the rest of you affils but I am going from about 200 sponsors to 5-10 this year. I am pulling links fast as i can.

It is a brave new internet and I can smell the losers a mile away.

otoh I can see the winners clearly.

So rock fucking on. The winners of today are laughing as affil traffic funnels into them more and more and together we go forward.

Rock fucking on.
Since I have zero blogs, zero tube sites, zero ANYTHING except my beloved paysites I can attest to the above: I love my affiliates. LOL I'd be nowhere without them so God Bless y'all, signup for PeabodyCash, let's rise together - again? - and fuck the fucktards who should've been outta here a LOOOOOONG time ago.

Reminds me of all the old farts I see hobbling around New York City, those eighty+ fucks still barely hanging on, clogging up the lines at Fairway while they buy a single tomato. I KNOW those old fucks are slowly dying inside a seven-room apartment MANSION exactly where I want to live, and they're paying $227 a month for it 'cause they lived there since fucking Hoover was Prez.

Bitter much? Oh hell yeah fuck yeah I am! Anyway, I digress....
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If you can't see that the entire affiliate model is changing than you need to get treatment.
No I need to get my links changed b4 the next non converter folds.

The model is only changing for the non converters.
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Since I have zero blogs, zero tube sites, zero ANYTHING except my beloved paysites I can attest to the above: I love my affiliates. LOL I'd be nowhere without them so God Bless y'all, signup for PeabodyCash, let's rise together - again? - and fuck the fucktards who should've been outta here a LOOOOOONG time ago.

Reminds me of all the old farts I see hobbling around New York City, those eighty+ fucks still barely hanging on, clogging up the lines at Fairway while they buy a single tomato. I KNOW those old fucks are slowly dying inside a seven-room apartment MANSION exactly where I want to live, and they're paying $227 a month for it 'cause they lived there since fucking Hoover was Prez.

Bitter much? Oh hell yeah fuck yeah I am! Anyway, I digress....
Bitter? Yeah maybe a little. I only say "loser" as anger is more motivating and I have alot of links to pull this year.

Respect to all honorable sponsors. It's just a change in times and other variables. Nothing sells forever.

I was a little emotional.

The ONLY loser here is Adult Profit if they don't pay their affils their hard earned rebills. Paysites who were honorable and simply have a product that became obsolete have my total respect and as soon as you come out with something that sells again I will be back.

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Wait! If you called them "fucktards" then it's ok for me to call them "losers". LOL Without apologizing. j/k

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Wait! If you called them "fucktards" then it's ok for me to call them "losers". LOL Without apologizing. j/k

I actually know nothing about them other than the preponderance of the 'evidence' posted here: they gave short notice before shutting down and they appear to be (APPEAR to be) keeping the rebills. So, IF true, then they = fucktards/losers, etc.

Did I qualify that above statement enough? LOL Whatever the case may be here, I know ONE THING to be 100% for sure: their affiliates will be worse off after this, not better off, and that sucks balls.
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If someone did this (assuming this is what they are doing) to me I'd consider asking/encouraging them to CHARGEBACK.
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This is being blown way out of proportion.
1)probably 95% of their existing affs are pps
2)they are paying all of that out.
3)if you were using rev share on a celeb site, you gotta be out of your mind.

Adult Profit was around almost since day one and they've run their course. It's that simple.
They were a good program who always paid on time with great webmaster support which is alot more than I can say for alot of shit ass programs out there.
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I actually know nothing about them other than the preponderance of the 'evidence' posted here: they gave short notice before shutting down and they appear to be (APPEAR to be) keeping the rebills. So, IF true, then they = fucktards/losers, etc.

Did I qualify that above statement enough? LOL Whatever the case may be here, I know ONE THING to be 100% for sure: their affiliates will be worse off after this, not better off, and that sucks balls.
Still I think my theory of "rise together" holds some water.

There are plenty of sites still selling. It is doom and gloom if you have a cushy lifestyle that is in jeopardy cause the shit's no longer flying. Most affils never had a cushy lifestyle to begin with. (more bitterness ) For us we fly on (change links) to someone who does sell and life goes on. There is no real doom and gloom for affils as some want us to think.

Only an idiot would leave affil money on the tabe. And the major players are far from idiots. That is proof itself that affils are NOT in trouble. We just have work to do.

I see now days as a strengthening as guys like me trim from 200 to 10 this year. As we trim, that money will buy new quality paysites that DO sell.

Anyhow that belief is my (affils) only real hope.

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This is being blown way out of proportion.
1)probably 95% of their existing affs are pps
2)they are paying all of that out.
3)if you were using rev share on a celeb site, you gotta be out of your mind.

Adult Profit was around almost since day one and they've run their course. It's that simple.
They were a good program who always paid on time with great webmaster support which is alot more than I can say for alot of shit ass programs out there.
I used rev for BabX and pps for Celeb King. Actually last year rev was doing well for BabX. This year they dried up.

It is all cause of YT and the arrival of vast quanities of HD this year.

[Edit: This paragraph has self destructed - was gonna spell out the YT disaster but f it ]

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Everyone wants to promote 60-100 pps and wonders why the with companies cheating the customer, carding them etc. All your happy about is the final dollar in your pocket and not who your fucking to get it.

Then you whine and cry because the companies no longer find you worth the effort in that scam and shut you out? LOL!

Meanwhile, there are plently of sites, running simple affialite programs that have never fuck anyone over, payout via a third party like ccbill, so you always get paid, and you don't even look at them.


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Everyone wants to promote 60-100 pps and wonders why the with companies cheating the customer, carding them etc. All your happy about is the final dollar in your pocket and not who your fucking to get it.

Then you whine and cry because the companies no longer find you worth the effort in that scam and shut you out? LOL!

Meanwhile, there are plently of sites, running simple affialite programs that have never fuck anyone over, payout via a third party like ccbill, so you always get paid, and you don't even look at them.


Idiots.
didn't you drop your revshare to like 10-20 percent? you have room to talk.
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didn't you drop your revshare to like 10-20 percent? you have room to talk.
So the fuck what, all my existing affiliate still get paid out what they where getting paid out before the change. You don't like it fuck of.

I have been doing this for 13 years. I'm not going anywhere.
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You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. The affiliate model is all but dead. The few affiliates, (and I do mean a few) who can bring something creative to the table can still get paid out. But who really needs the others anymore. Hell, there are a few main traffic sources now, and a company can submit their own stuff just as easy and walk away with 100%.

First was the mad scramble to the "BIG" programs paying out 100+ PPS, scamming the shit out of customer to cover costs, putting just about every "mom pop" site out of business in the process.

The came the tube that put those big sites out of business and in turn most of the affiliates who supported them.

Karmas a bitch
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And Third...

Agent88 I would like you to name 1. Just one person that I have fucked over in the 13 years I have been in adult.

Guess what you can't. not one affiliate, not one customer, not one model, not one person who has ever worked with me. Stick with your carder, you sound like a perfect match.
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to a certain extent... more like the affiliate's are the next ones to be thrown off of a sinking ship. First it is the customers they get cc banged and cross saled to death, then they screw the affiliates, nothing left to fuck over... the ship is still sinking regardless. When you piss off your customers and your affiliates how in the world do you expect to turn things around ???

Not talking about this company specifically but all of them going through the same process.

They just grasping at straws... "well if we cut out affiliates we can keep all the rebills" and how long will that last until those rebills cancel?? and there is no new affiliates pumping in new sales. I hope none of them are delusional enough to see this is nothing more than a way for them to grab as much cash as the ship goes down. If they are delusional enough to think they can turn things around on their own they are insane.
Well said Will.

The problem is their sites (80% of adult) don't sell and I don't have the heart to tell them why. They know why but it is the BIG secret around here.

Someday "they" (the hypothetical sponsors you refer to) might once again have something that sells, but they have permanently written off all affils if they pull shenanigans like AP "appear" (hopefully not) to be pulling and don't make a statement on if rebills will be payed.

I'm not owed but it is the principal. Post a statement you are paying rebills. That is the reason I came to this thread as the letter makes no mention.

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The came the tube that put those big sites out of business and in turn most of the affiliates who supported them.

Karmas a bitch
Maybe you have been in this business for 13 years, but seriously your site is not a good representation. Sure, niche like yours will always work. But no affiliate will become rich by promoting niches like that. That is the main issue.

Teen/Gonzo content producers are out of the game. The bigger ones, (Studios such as Zero Tolerance), sign exclusively with tube paysites or videobox, etc.

The 'middle-class' porn webmaster is screwed up. The Upper class (independent paysite owners, etc) are struggling to compete with the million deals between Holywood Studios (Content) and big paysites (Brazzers, VideoZ, etc.)

Bottom line is that within 2 years, we won't see much independent Teen/Gonzo paysites. They will all close. Even Studios and exclusive paysites such as Brazzers will struggle versus the Tube Sites. A lot more people are looking for amateur videos, and young adults love to show it for free... as they love showing their butt dancing on Youtube.

TGPs/MGPs are dying. Some of them sell their spots to Tube Sites... they are closing shop slowly.

CJ? Freesites? Pic Gallery? Movie Gallery? FLV Gallery? They are no competition to 20 minutes Tube videos. How can you advertise on a Tube site anyway? You want HD? Hell, 80% of the porn surfers don't care if the videos are not in 720/1080p, only the purists.

This industry is stupid. No respect, no restriction, nothing. This is not even capitalism, it's a jungle. In a good economy, you can't sell your milk under a certain price. There is a minimum salary, etc. This is to protect the economy which we are completely screwing up in Adult since 1999.

There will always be money in porn. But forget the affiliates making $50,000 per month like in 2000-2010.
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LOL.. at least they say they're gonna pay monies owed, unlike WegCash who decided to just not pay anyone when they closed.
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haha

We're still in biz and paying out weekly
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I hate to see old school programs like that go down....

Nonetheless if anyone 's looking to replace links

We have bannedcelebs.com at elitedollars.com - 40$ PPS on 1$ trials
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